lets hope not, he did seem quite clued up on what he wanted.

But he was only 21

mm, I always think Darius has an old head on young shoulders, (common sense wise)

after all it was Popstars that saw him as a 19 year old and being honest and sincere, after being crucified for that episode of his life I would have thought a steep learning curve would have followed. It would have with me. But them I always have been a bit bitter and cynical of people from a young age..LOL

 

I remember ages ago reading a version or except from the PopIdol/19 contract - I can't remember much about it now, other than it read to me like they owned your soul forever - scary stuff! :blink:

 

I fear that if there no longer has to be a physical release, the single will disappear very quickly.

 

From what I can see so far, the new chart rules are having the reverse effect. A track now has the potential to stay in the charts ad infinitum, or to return to the charts following a resurrected interest.

 

As a fan of Darius, I'd hate that because there'd be no need for b-sides and D's are always so strong. It's like having a double album. In fact, I'd say I play the b-sides just as much as I play the album tracks.

 

Most of Darius's b-sides are available as downloads though, so why would they go away?

I would have thought that the only reason why you might not get any Darius b-sides in the future would be if Darius or his record label decided not to include any.

 

Whether in physical format or download only format, I think that artists and/or record labels will continue to make use of the inclusion of b-sides, bonus tracks, videos etc... as added incentives to sell their music just as they always have done, they still appear to be doing that anyway.

 

What I'm not sure about, is what happens in regard to chart eligibility if you just download a

b-side? - does it register in it's own right, or does it register as a download of the A-side of the particular single it's a b-side on?

 

Similarly, what happens if you download an album track?

 

Technically, I would have thought that each individual track that you download, now registers in its' own right - but I'm not sure though?

Edited March 2, 200718 yr by Secret_Song

it isnt quite the same is it, downloading, I have some downloads but I still love the excitement of holding the actual CD in my hands and getting all the extras with it, you dont get those with downloads

Yes, I suppose I've just got used to the artwork and extras. Come to think of it, there wasn't any single artwork until tapes and cassettes came in, unless there was a special edition or extra tracks to make it an EP.

 

I suppose I just see downloads as a backward step, back to the stage where you could have a coveted piece of music one day and the next lose it because the vinyl had got seriously scratched or warped.

 

I've tried playing Faith In Me on rotation but although I have every faith in Darius, I don't have any at all in the whole process of downloads.

 

I'm very, very wary of the net especially given the stuff that Scots guy found when he was looking for music ; a complete treasure trove of very personal information for anyone wishing to make money from reprehensible business of identity theft .

 

CDs just seem so much more permanent. What happened to the mini-CD that Universal were working on. At one point, I wondered if Live Twice would be issued in the format, so it must have been about 2004 they were at the prototype/launch stage.

I've got one of the mini cds Naturally signed by Darius. They didn't go ahead with its release though.

You have a mini-CD of Live Twice, megham? Wow! I didn't think they actually distributed any.

 

 

They didn't!!

Sorry, I got that all wrong. I have a mini cd of 'Kinda love' not 'Live Twice'

19 management - isn't it the same that supports Gareth G. now? That's kinda strange that they didn't dump him and BMG did. Afer all, they are a good management, aren't they? Or maybe they just support people like Emma B, who was never a good artist to me... Don't know much 'bout it, but is it even possoble to sign a contract with two companies? I mean, what for? Still, only one of them will realise his CD...

 

As far as the album is concerned, I agree it's a way more pleasant to actually hold the cd in your hands, have all those pictures, tracks and all. But having a choice of downloading the album or buying it with big big cash. In Poland we don't have any of darius' albums. I bought mine in Russia where everything is a lot cheaper <but i still wonder whether they are original or not...>. If I wanted to buy them through amazon.co.uk or any other net store, I'd probably have to pay 15 pounds. 15 pounds times 6 or 7 and you get the polish price. It will be about 120 zlotys. In Poland, a normal cd costs about 50 zlotys and everybody complains that the price is too high and that's why peoply prefer downloading it (even illegaly). And paying 120 zlotys? Well, let's just forget it.

The rate of exchange (pounds and zlotys) is too big and most people would never afford to buy anything that costs so much in Britain. While bread costs in Poland 1,5 zloty and going along with your prices it would be like 6 zlotys. But without bread we can't live. And without cd - why not?

 

So, I'd be more than pleased if i could heve every cd original and bought in the normal shop but what to do? Darius is not popular in Poland and it cost me a lot of nerves and money to get his both cd. What's wrong with the fact that I want to hear more of his lives and b-sides? ( this is the place to thank Secret_Song so: Thank you :))

 

Sometimes you just have to like what you got :)

 

Gareth's with 19, Darius is with Brilliant 19. Darius' recording contract was always with 19 records but they licensed the albums to mercury. They manage a lot of artists. Brilliant 19 is a small offshoot to the 19 main business. At the time it was thought that that gave Darius more freedom than 19 did.

Nice, looks like they do everything to make people confused. Still don't understend exept the fact that it's not the same label. Anyway, Darius finally drifted apart from 19, right? I'm really cofused now, I've been awake all night... :P

It's the same record label, both 19 but, a different management division

It's complicated.

 

After PI Simon Cowell and Simon Fuller exercised their option to sign Darius. That would have been, I suppose, on the PI terms ...... so management with 19 Management and recording contract with 19, licensed eventually to Sony/BMG, just like Will and Gareth.

 

Darius rebelled when both Simon Cowell and Pete Waterman, whom SC had chosen as D's producer, refused to countenance him releasing his own song as his first single and Darius made it more than clear to Simon Fuller that he wanted out. Simon Fuller wanted Darius and he knew he could keep him because he was under contract, but he also knew Darius would fight all the way. He then talked Simon Cowell into mutually dissolving the contract.

 

Simon Fuller could not just re-sign Darius to 19 Management or it might have caused trouble with his partnership with Simon Cowell, so he offered to jointly manage Darius through another of his companies, Brilliant 19.

 

It was Nick Godwyn not SF who was always by Darius's side on a day to day basis. I don't think either SF or Darius has ever said exactly what SF does as joint manger.

 

Through Brilliant 19, Darius signed firstly to 19 Recordings and then via a licensing and distribution deal with Mercury UK.

 

Darius is still listed as being with Brilliant 19 and the original recording contract he signed with 19 is still in operation. 19 is a label in its own right - Kelly Clarkson etc. and Emma Bunton among others have released records on it in the US and in the UK.

 

Darius may put his 3rd album out on 19, negotiate another distribution licence when it's ready or now he has his own recording studio, perhaps he will take the final step and set up his own label. Whatever he does, I think he will still consult Simon Fuller, as a friend at the very least.

 

Blimey Baytree & Meg - you've jiggled some of my neurones lol! I'd completely forgotten about the mini-CDs (I think I've mentally blanked out many things that happened around that time to protect me from the trauma lol! ) - but I do sort of recollect at least one person getting one - did you win it Meg, or did Jonny give it you or something? It never happened though generally did it, but then neither did a lot of things around then :(

- I've never seen them about anywhere - mini CDS though and I remember them being promoted for another Universal artist around the same time - maybe McFly? :unsure: ... maybe it was just a promotion idea that never really took off generally?

 

As far as the album is concerned, I agree it's a way more pleasant to actually hold the cd in your hands, have all those pictures, tracks and all. But having a choice of downloading the album or buying it with big big cash. In Poland we don't have any of darius' albums. I bought mine in Russia where everything is a lot cheaper <but i still wonder whether they are original or not...>. If I wanted to buy them through amazon.co.uk or any other net store, I'd probably have to pay 15 pounds. 15 pounds times 6 or 7 and you get the polish price. It will be about 120 zlotys. In Poland, a normal cd costs about 50 zlotys and everybody complains that the price is too high and that's why peoply prefer downloading it (even illegaly). And paying 120 zlotys? Well, let's just forget it.

The rate of exchange (pounds and zlotys) is too big and most people would never afford to buy anything that costs so much in Britain. While bread costs in Poland 1,5 zloty and going along with your prices it would be like 6 zlotys. But without bread we can't live. And without cd - why not?

 

So, I'd be more than pleased if i could heve every cd original and bought in the normal shop but what to do? Darius is not popular in Poland and it cost me a lot of nerves and money to get his both cd. What's wrong with the fact that I want to hear more of his lives and b-sides? ( this is the place to thank Secret_Song so: Thank you :))

 

Sometimes you just have to like what you got :)

 

I'm still pretty convinced your Russian copy of Live Twice wasn't legit, though no doubt it will have cost you as much as if it was. If it is legit, I'm lodging a complaint about the UK version missing out Dancing in the Moonlight and a Karaoke version of Rushes hehe ;) :lol:

 

You're welcome about the b-side downloads though :D

 

That's another example of one of the advantages of downloads, a quick, easy and relatively cheap way of getting just the tracks that you really want legitimately. It's important to me, not just financially for the artist, but also it sends back data demonstrating interest in the artist/song whenever a song is downloaded legitimately too.

The only ones I'm probably not going to be able to download properly for you are Now or Never and She's Coming Home. As yet, I've not found the DVD's they're on, or those particular tracks on any download stores that I use. Has anyone else seen them in any download stores anywhere?

 

I'm very, very wary of the net especially given the stuff that Scots guy found when he was looking for music ; a complete treasure trove of very personal information for anyone wishing to make money from reprehensible business of identity theft .

 

Baytree I don't think I've heard of that particular case, when was it and which store was it where he found all that information?

It's true - you have to be wary and cautious and take necessary precautions as best you can when shopping online. There is online fraud and identity theft, but the news/what we hear about tends to focus on the bad/negative experiences, whereas there are many more times safe and positive online transactions, millions of them. Also I think the online stores, banks do as much as they can to combat fraud as they can too as it's in their interests to do so.

 

I think the things that concern me most about internet shopping of any kind, is the damage it does to local businesses and probably, the Big Brotheryness of the whole thing ... all the data mining and consumer profiling is a bit disturbing to me really. But I think there are benefits too, especially for the artists.

 

If I really like an artist or the music of a particular album - I'll buy a physical copy of a whole album, not a download version. I know you can often download artwork and make up your own ... but if there was a physical version that included a whole booklet with lyrics, photos, writer information and so on, then I'd sooner pay a bit more and buy that. I don't tend to buy singles as a rule though and so, when it comes to singles, I'd much rather just download the extra b-sides or videos from each version and make my own CD of them, rather than have multiple physical copies of the same song, with the b-sides on different physical CDS. There would have to be some exclusive content that couldn't be downloaded, to make me buy a physical copy; and even then I would have to be very into the artist to buy a single anyway.

 

Nice, looks like they do everything to make people confused. Still don't understend exept the fact that it's not the same label. Anyway, Darius finally drifted apart from 19, right? I'm really cofused now, I've been awake all night... :P

 

:blink: No wonder you didn't get to school :rolleyes:

 

I agree, the contract issues are confusing, maybe deliberately so <_< - but there are different types of contracts that artists can have for different things, with different companies:- publishing, recording, distribution, management, the list goes on - so, it can be hard to follow and understand how it all fits together properly. I guess so long as Darius understands it all, that's the important part :P

 

But, as far as we know Darius is still connected to 19, both in terms of a recording contract and also for Management (his Management part was with Brilliant19 - but Brilliant19 are connected to 19 anyway). So, it wasn't 19, it was Mercury Records (Universal Music), the distributors of his previous music, that Darius has parted from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry Secret Song. The news people didn't disclose anything about which site, but I think they said it was a file sharing site and through those, one can inadvertently let unscrupulous people share a lot more than one intends if one doesn't know how to limit the files shared. They did mention that "phishing" was rife now because the banks and stores had increased their protection and villains have to get the info in other ways.

 

 

Sorry Secret Song. The news people didn't disclose anything about which site, but I think they said it was a file sharing site and through those, one can inadvertently let unscrupulous people share a lot more than one intends if one doesn't know how to limit the files shared. They did mention that "phishing" was rife now because the banks and stores had increased their protection and villains have to get the info in other ways.

 

Ah thanks Baytree, I don't do file sharing - so I don't have to worry myself about that then, but it's a warning for those that do though. Yes, I can see how your pc could be vulnerable to exposing other info you have stored on it via those kind of sites, as you have to have an open port to share files. Apart from the illegalities/unfairness to artists associated with it, that's another thing that would put me off doing it anyway, that, and also fear of downloading spyware or a virus within a dodgy file - I believe there are lots of those around too on those kinds of sites.

 

Me, I'd travel anywhere to buy a physical copy of any single/album by Darius, rather than download it but ............if push came to shove, I WOULD download it, but only after I'd bought several different mp3 players and i-pods to download enough copies to make me feel secure that I could always have it. There's no way I'd risk losing it.

 

Some might think that extreme and a total waste of money but I don't, because D's music and lyrics have done more to get me through bad times and underpin the good times too than any treatments, cosmetics , holidays, retail shopping or other expensive distractions.

 

Other artists, I buy what I like but always on physical copies and only if at least half of the tracks of an album appeal to me. Less than that, it just becomes something else to store and dust.

 

If, in the future, I couldn't get physical copies locally of those other artists, I wouldn't bother at all.

Edited March 6, 200718 yr by Baytree

This is about 19 entertainment.

 

19 Entertainment moves into US soaps

Friday, March 9 2007, 09:53 GMT (04:53 ET)

 

By Joanne Oatts, Media Correspondent

 

19 Entertainment is working on a soap opera for US network Fox about a blue collar family.

 

Created by 19's Simon Fuller, with 19's head of drama, Mal Young, it could reportedly air several times a week on Fox, with Fuller and Young acting as co-creators and executive producers.

 

Formerly BBC controller of continuing drama, Young joined 19 Entertainment at the end of 2004, and has previously worked on EastEnders, Doctors and when at production company Pearson, Family Affairs.

 

Earlier this week, NBC confirmed that 19 Entertainment would be producing a six-part reality series for the network following Victoria Beckham as she sets up home in LA.

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