I sincerely hope he does. He seems to be a man that remains loyal.

 

I know Will has been doing loads and loads of promotion and appearing on loads of programmes. Would that be paid for by BMG or by Simon Fuller, does anyone know?

 

I'm sure one of Will's fans will be able to give you the answer to that, but I sincerely hope that whoever Gareth releases with, he will get somewhere near the level of promotion both Will and Shayne have had over the past few months.

 

I'm a Will fan :D

 

I think it's 19 that book people onto programmes etc, Simon Fuller may put in a word, but he has to retain his own credibility. If Will does go to America, I'm sure there will be some string pulling going on by Simon Fuller - as is usual when an artist is being launched in a country that knows nothing about them.

 

Shows seek to book people who they feel will boost viewer ratings. Generally the 'better' and more popular/respectable the show, generally the better the guests on the show will be. Shayne is flavour of the month - and has his first album out, and Will is a successful act - also with a current album - so both are no doubt in demand. Requests probably go both ways.

 

To appear then

 

1/ The programme/magazine has to want the artist

2/ The artist has to want to go on the programme - usually to promote the most recent offering.

3/ Time has to be available - for all parties

 

 

Direct advertising promo costs the artist a lot of money. I dread to think how much Shayne must have forked out for all the ads and promo he's been getting - and I wonder if he realises??!!

 

The more money an album makes from sales the more can be afforded for continuing advertising.

 

Darius fans complained that his album didn't get enough advertising, and I think GG fans complained too. It's not a personal vendetta of record companies against certain artists - it's a matter of cold economics. Hense, James Blunt album - even though it had already sold huge amounts, was continually being advertised around Christmas time.

 

I believe record companies can do some bargaining with retailers around reducing prices of CDs etc. That's had a huge impact on the album charts recently.

 

I would think GG would be a sought after guest. His story is kind of interesting, but he hasn't got an album out at the moment, so there's little point.

 

Well - this is my understanding on the promo thing - others may know different ;)

 

Sue xx

 

 

I sincerely hope he does. He seems to be a man that remains loyal.

 

I know Will has been doing loads and loads of promotion and appearing on loads of programmes. Would that be paid for by BMG or by Simon Fuller, does anyone know?

 

When any artist has a recording contract worth X amount of pounds, that is money up front to cover all the recording costs plus promotion and every other costs such as transport, clothes etc. needed for that promotion. The bigger the contract value, the better the co-writers & producers and the more promtion etc. that buys.

 

Now, the downside is, the label will want to recover all of that up front contract money and then some. So, the word was that Will had a £500k contract for Keep On. According to Robbie Williams, the label make 3 quid clear profit per album. Will has sold well over 700k in physical sales of Keep On, making a profit for BMG of over £2.1 million pounds. Add to that his downloads, which were Sony/BMG biggest selling of 2005 and you see why Will will get a further contract with BMG for album no.4.

 

If they can't re-coup the up front money from the artist and are in to a big loss situation, there's very little chance of that artist ever getting a second bite of the cherry, unless of course, the label spent next to nothing on them in the first place.

 

 

 

I'm sure one of Will's fans will be able to give you the answer to that, but I sincerely hope that whoever Gareth releases with, he will get somewhere near the level of promotion both Will and Shayne have had over the past few months.

 

They have a promotion budget and i'm sure they pay half themselves. Will is rumoured to have a £500,000 deal on this album off the back of Friday's Child's sales and this will reflect his budget. Shayne is being afforded the hype budget that previous winners and runners-up have been given (if their face fits). I imagine they are pulling all the stops out this time because the last two winners of these type of shows were not particularly successful (or promoted) and the public need to see positivity.

 

I wish Gareth all the best on his return but I honestly hope(for his sake) that he does not return with the same amount of publicity and hype that he had to begin with. IMHO, that played part of his decline in popularity.

 

I'm sure the amount of money spent on promoting an album will depend on the amount of money made by the artist for the label. The record companywill only invest heavily if they feel sure they will get a big return. Hence artists like Madonna & Robbie have huge promo budgets. Also the artist themselves have to meet half the costs of a lot of the expenses.

Thanks for all these replies. All these snippetts certainly help to understand a very complicated (and perhaps sometimes corrupt) business.

 

Wow didn't realise that the record company made £3.00 per album. Seems hard to believe after all the videos they have to pay for (in some very exotic locations sometimes), and to do this for each single released.

 

I wish Gareth all the best on his return but I honestly hope(for his sake) that he does not return with the same amount of publicity and hype that he had to begin with. IMHO, that played part of his decline in popularity

 

I don't want to go into the 'they all had hype' descending into a Will v Gareth feud because this thread, I am sure is proving quite interesting to many, whether they are fans of Gareth or not.

 

However surely this is a catch 22 situation. Without promotion and publicity there isn't success and with too much there won't be success.

 

Also the artist themselves have to meet half the costs of a lot of the expenses

 

Oh didn't realise that either.

How much does the artist make per album then?

Edited April 17, 200619 yr by dindy

Wow didn't realise that the record company made £3.00 per album. Seems hard to believe after all the videos they have to pay for (in some very exotic locations sometimes), and to do this for each single released.

 

The artist pays half the video costs.

Thanks for all these replies. All these snippetts certainly help to understand a very complicated (and perhaps sometimes corrupt) business.

 

Wow didn't realise that the record company made £3.00 per album. Seems hard to believe after all the videos they have to pay for (in some very exotic locations sometimes), and to do this for each single released.

I don't want to go into the 'they all had hype' descending into a Will v Gareth feud because this thread, I am sure is proving quite interesting to many, whether they are fans of Gareth or not.

 

However surely this is a catch 22 situation. Without promotion and publicity there isn't success and with too much there won't be success.

 

The artist also has to pay for half the video and other promo expenses off their share. I read that they get something like 20p. for every single and 70p-just over a pound per album depending on how much writing credits they have. The record deal is only a loan and pays for these. When enough sales have been made to recoup this, the astist then gets his cut on the remaining sales.

 

I agree on the catch 22 thing :)

I read that they get something like 20p. for every single and 70p-just over a pound per album depending on how much writing credits they have

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So the record company make three times more than the artist(I am in the wrong business). No wonder these artists are wearing themselves promoting in which ever way they can.

 

Please don't say that these artists then have to pay to appear on a chat show to promote themselves (and ultimately make these record companies even richer)?

I read a newspaper report about a year ago, that singles make hardly any money for anybody today and it's just a way of getting an act noticed, with a view to sell albums and tour, which will bring in money for the artist, label and management etc. An artist earns about 20-40p per single and then it's split between the rest. An album however is different, if an artist hasn't co-written/ written any of the songs on their album, they get about 50-60p (so if there's four in a group it isn't much), but if they have written in-put, it's 1-2 pounds per album, sometimes more if it's not discounted in the stores and sell's at full price.

sometimes more if it's not discounted in the stores and sell's at full price.

 

Oh Gareth's Go Your Own Way certainly wasn't discounted-£16.97 in most shops.

 

So if the album is discounted who loses the money, the artist or the record company(think I know the answer to this one)?

 

Where do the writers come into it? Who pays them and what percentage do they get?

 

 

Shows seek to book people who they feel will boost viewer ratings. Generally the 'better' and more popular/respectable the show, generally the better the guests on the show will be. Shayne is flavour of the month - and has his first album out, and Will is a successful act - also with a current album - so both are no doubt in demand. Requests probably go both ways.

 

To appear then

 

1/ The programme/magazine has to want the artist

2/ The artist has to want to go on the programme - usually to promote the most recent offering.

3/ Time has to be available - for all parties

 

Well if this is correct, then things can only be better for Gareth this time around.

 

As we all know Gareth had difficulty giving interviews, but now he will be able to. Gareth has said in the past how many DJ's and interviewers have asked him to appear on their shows, but of course it was too difficult for him to be able to most times. It was such a disadvantage for him and had to be compensated for, with other promotion, which upset some people and I can quite understand that. I'm sure all the hard work he's put into his problem, will benefit him when he starts promoting again.

None of us really knew what Gareth's speaking voice was like before, but having heard songs he has recorded whilst he's been away, in which he does a bit of speaking, I can tell you he has a very lovely deep, smooth, speaking voice. I'm really looking forward to hearing his first interview.

 

 

 

An album however is different, if an artist hasn't co-written/ written any of the songs on their album, they get about 50-60p (so if there's four in a group it isn't much), but if they have written in-put, it's 1-2 pounds per album, sometimes more if it's not discounted in the stores and sell's at full price.

 

Well this sounds like more good news for Gareth.

 

From what I understand, virtually every track on Gareth's new album will be either written by him or co-written by him.

 

God I wish he'd hurry up and get it out to us :wub:

As we all know Gareth had difficulty giving interviews, but now he will be able to

 

We hope.

I think even I sometimes forget that it isn't just a case of Gareth turning up saying his piece and shooting off to the next interview. He will more than likely have to put effort into his speech, as well as thinking how to reply to the interviewer, at the same time.

Very interesting reading, did not know half of it, thanks to all the posters who could enlighten us.

Its a wonder the artist makes any money at all sometimes.

But I also noticed on some videos if the single before did not so well, the video for the next single seems to be done cheaper. Makes all sense now.

 

And its definitely a catch 22 situation unfortunately.

We hope.

I think even I sometimes forget that it isn't just a case of Gareth turning up saying his piece and shooting off to the next interview. He will more than likely have to put effort into his speech, as well as thinking how to reply to the interviewer, at the same time.

 

If this is the case I hope they are careful about what radio shows he goes on. Some DJs. are lovely but there are some doughballs on the smaller networks. Anyway, as I said I wish him all the best. :) and hope you do not have to wait too long to hear from him.

 

Thanks Awesome. :D

dindy wrote:

Where do the writers come into it? Who pays them and what percentage do they get?

 

A songwriter has a publishing deal and co-writers, if there are say two, come to an agreement on a split 30/70,40/60, 50/50 whatever. If there are more than two writing the lyrics then it is obviously shared by agreement. If Will writes or co-writes he gets royalties as a songwriter under a publishing deal and royalties as the performer.

 

A songwriter who doesn't perform his own material generally get 50% (they are advised not to accept anything less). Little wonder that people like Sting and Elton John and Stevie Wonder are so eager to 'collaborate' ;)

 

All money from all sources goes to the label who sends it all to a company called the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society who distributes the royalties. Will's music is distributed under licence by his recording company 19/Ronogold to Sony/BMG, so I don't know whether they get all the royalties or Sony does. It's all very involved and complicated.

 

Edited April 19, 200619 yr by munchkin

Thanks again for all the info.

 

Just one last question :ph34r: :ph34r: (promise no more untill Gareth releases again).

 

Who makes the money out of a distribution deal? How does that work?

The record label who agree to distribute an album through their distribution channels.