[quote name='Suedehead2' date='Aug 20 2018, 08:13 PM' post='6067329

The Guardian's front page in the referendum did not look like a campaign leaflet.

 

If anything, that makes it worse. At least the others were open in their support for Brexit.

[quote name='Suedehead2' date='Aug 20 2018, 08:13 PM' post='6067329

The Guardian's front page in the referendum did not look like a campaign leaflet.

 

 

If anything, that makes it worse. At least the others were open in their support for Brexit.

 

No. Reasoned argument without resorting to mouth-frouthing propaganda lying is much more preferable. If you ave to resort to lies to win an argument you are not a journalist you are a tool of a rich billionaire propagandist trying to get richer and more powerful at the expense of those being lied to.

 

It's really quite simple, and that you keep coming up with really feeble one-line responses trying to support the actions of lying rich people just becaue you happen to agree with their aims makes you look ridiculous and desperate. At least be honest that you dont care what they do and say.

[quote name='Suedehead2' date='Aug 20 2018, 08:13 PM' post='6067329

The Guardian's front page in the referendum did not look like a campaign leaflet.

 

 

If anything, that makes it worse. At least the others were open in their support for Brexit.

No. It means that the Guardian still acted like a newspaper rather than a propaganda sheet.

No. Reasoned argument without resorting to mouth-frouthing propaganda lying is much more preferable. If you ave to resort to lies to win an argument you are not a journalist you are a tool of a rich billionaire propagandist trying to get richer and more powerful at the expense of those being lied to.

 

It's really quite simple, and that you keep coming up with really feeble one-line responses trying to support the actions of lying rich people just becaue you happen to agree with their aims makes you look ridiculous and desperate. At least be honest that you dont care what they do and say.

 

All right- i don't care what they do and say,

 

Satisfied?

 

No. It means that the Guardian still acted like a newspaper rather than a propaganda sheet.

 

AH, so only those papers who support Remain are actually newspapers?

Where did he say that? Stop inventing fiction to suit your narrative

AH, so only those papers who support Remain are actually newspapers?

And you accuse people of twisting your words.

 

I said no such thing. I merely made a distinction between a newspaper and a propaganda sheet. None of the Guardian's headlines could be said to be campaign slogans, unlike the Daily Mail etc. How many Remain-supporting articles did the Daily Mail print in the first six months of 2016? I'm guessing the answer is somewhere pretty close to zero.

All right- i don't care what they do and say,

 

Satisfied?

 

No reason I would be "satisfied" as such, but I have no need to respond to an honest statement, which is quite a relief.....

havent caught up on the rest so apologies if i repeat something already said, but read earlier the paper on no deal concerning erasmus students will be out soon! i'm v intruiged as to what theyre "preparing" for that (and hoping i can stay in the country x)

havent caught up on the rest so apologies if i repeat something already said, but read earlier the paper on no deal concerning erasmus students will be out soon! i'm v intruiged as to what theyre "preparing" for that (and hoping i can stay in the country x)

 

good luck! Fingers-crossed, though this rather vague article offers a lot of hopes with no constructive idea on how anything can exist on hopes and wishes...

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...facebook-brexit

 

I want to win Euromillions, myself, but you have to buy a ticket and hope to strike lucky under the terms and conditions, as opposed to refuse to buy a ticket, moan about the lottery being biased in favour of those paying for the ticket, and then assuring everyone who also refuses to buy a ticket that they are going to be just as lucky as those who do buy the tickets....

Domnic Raab, in setting out the consequences of being mad enough to leave without a deal, has said that he hopes the EU would continue to import medicine from the UK even after we have left the auspices of the European Medicines Agency. If we can demonstrate that the "brand-spanking new" UK rules are exactly the same as the EMA ones, perhaps they will. Otherwise, why would they? Would he want the UK to import medicines without checking that they are safe?

 

If this whole nonsense was being run by ministers who had demonstrated a vague level of competence, it is possible that the outcome could at least be in the vicinity of "not a total catastrophe". Unfortunately, we have a collection of incompetent numpties in charge.

 

Of course, this comes in the week when another minister has said that we would "survive" leaving with no deal. I think that can be described as setting the bar extremely low.

I wouldn't want to glorify a man still waiting to eat his hat after the last election, but hey, this is pretty much a summary of the current situation:

 

 

 

"Paddy Ashdown

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The argument against a People's Vote on the final deal is simple. The people cannot be allowed to find out they were lied to and must not be permitted to change their minds."

 

Spot on.

 

Quitter David Davis is back lying again in the Sun:

 

 

"@SteveBakerHW

My former boss @DavidDavisMP writes magnificently for @TheSun,

 

“in 15 years’ time, far from worrying about Mr Hammond’s £80billion bill, the country will have trouble remembering what all the fuss was about.”"

 

 

and a reasonable reminder that David is a lying, quitting moron:

 

"

James Felton Retweeted Steve Baker MP

Forgive me if I don’t take evidence-less assurances that everything will be f***ing dandy from a man who lied about impact studies existing, made them exist, then hid them from the public when they revealed that everything is going to be f***ing terrible."

Daily Mail: portaloo plans to turn M11 into a giant car park with "financially confidential" deal with portaloo company.

 

So, even the Daily Mail realises that a Hard Brexit means a huge literal shit-show....

 

Where's that 350million a week for the NHS?

Theresa May has cheerfully announced that leaving without a deal “would not be the end of the world”. I suspect this achieves a new record in setting a low bar for “success”. If that is the best she can say for it, isn’t it time to consider that it might be a really, really stupid idea?

And she’s even wrong about that. As in, it will be the end of Britain as a functioning modern country for a while.

And the end of the union

 

Conservative Unionists my arse

No Deal would be an unmitigated disaster. We absolutely must have some form of patchwork deal or we will be completely f***ed.

 

On the other hand. A tiny part of me is less angry with this because the direct consequence will be Scottish Independence. In a choice between a disorderly exit from the EU into pure chaos and a future where we are aligned with the EU it’ll be an easy choice. There’s a lot of goodwill towards Scotland in the EU bodies so if we vote out of the U.K. before Brexit day the political will would be there to put a sticking plaster transition in place that would just be “Scotland continues to apply all rules and be a member of customs union/single market while it resolves its constitutional status”

I also console myself that maybe Scotland will go independent and join the EU. Just think yet another hard border, this time on the mainland which the Uk government wont be able to ignore and customs checks on all trains, roads, footpaths, ports.

 

Should be great fun.

I'd happily rebuild hadrians wall tbh. It'll help control the arrival of the massive amount of english refugees seeking food and medicine in Scotland.

this could go in the Trump thread as well...but it raises questions about why the UK government does nothing about corruption even as the country plummets towards economic chaos...

 

"Deborah Meaden

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Deborah Meaden Retweeted Christopher Wylie 🏳️‍🌈

Our Country is torn apart and we are left with the unsettling feeling that our referendum votes were manipulated in some way possibly for the benefit of a foreign power. I would say an investigation is essential if we are ever to move forward as one Nation...

 

 

BREAKING: Ex-Cambridge Analytica contractor Sam Patten just charged by FBI after Mueller referral. This guy was responsible for CA operations in the US that involved covertly testing US voter attitudes on Putin's leadership... I know there's more to come...https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/washington-consultant-for-ukraine-party-set-to-plead-guilty-to-violating-lobbyist-disclosure-law/2018/08/31/172cf2c8-ad23-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html …"