I'm uncomfortable with the two whistleblowers being suddenly held up as paragons for the Remain side. They were complicit, just because they suddenly had a change in conscious doesn't make them any less guilty of committing their crimes

I'm uncomfortable with the two whistleblowers being suddenly held up as paragons for the Remain side. They were complicit, just because they suddenly had a change in conscious doesn't make them any less guilty of committing their crimes

 

No but it makes them whistleblowers, so a lesser sentence is appropriate than for the lying, collaborating guilty architects of orchestrating the whole thing and paying others to do their dirty work.

Did anyone see the BBC news before Andrew Marr's programme this morning? I'm told Marr said that he would be talking to people on both sides of the EU debate before announcing that those people were ultra-Quitter and disgraced former Defence Secretary Liam Fox and ultra-Quitter Davey Davy. Next week there will be a "balanced" debate on Theresa May between somebody who thinks she is the greatest British politician ever and somebody else who thinks she is only in the top three.

BBC is a disgrace. It is the BBTory now. Balance for them is pro Tory and attacking Labour.

 

They turned down a Labour MP from appearing on the news challenging the Brexit plan due to "balance"!!! We officially have a Ministry of Truth. I always knew it would be the Tories who brought dictatorship to Britain.

 

 

Did anyone see the BBC news before Andrew Marr's programme this morning? I'm told Marr said that he would be talking to people on both sides of the EU debate before announcing that those people were ultra-Quitter and disgraced former Defence Secretary Liam Fox and ultra-Quitter Davey Davy. Next week there will be a "balanced" debate on Theresa May between somebody who thinks she is the greatest British politician ever and somebody else who thinks she is only in the top three.

 

Andrew Marr hasnt been himself since he came from his medical leave, one might suggest he just turns up and delivers whatever has been organised by others on his behalf.

 

Sky and ITV do seem to be more balanced these days, though how long Sky lasts depends on the takeover by ultra-right-wing Murdoch.

I did tell you it had turned into a Tory mouthpiece!!

 

It has serious consequences for democracy. Control of the media is a HUGE sign of totalitarian government. Do we even have a democracy now, seriously, with a completely government controlled media and Murdoch press? There is no free media anymore

 

Posted that in wrong thread :lol:

No but it makes them whistleblowers, so a lesser sentence is appropriate than for the lying, collaborating guilty architects of orchestrating the whole thing and paying others to do their dirty work.

I have no qualms with them getting a lighter sentence. I just can’t stand every prominent remainer queuing up to rim them given that they are both responsible for the circumstances we find ourselves in. If they had found their morals earlier we wouldn’t be in this mess. I don’t recall either of them exactly expressing remorse or a change in ideology or being anything less than happy their side won. Just because the threat of impending criminal charges made them snitch don’t make them worthy of the airtime or credence they’ve been given. I can wait to see them behind bars with the rest of the perpetrators of this national con

Agreed with Silas

 

Https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...s-a8519526.html

 

Why are people so surprised??

 

We said well before the referendum that it could easily leave England as a sole state outside the EU and that Scotland and Northern Ireland would leave!

 

Ignoring their will of the people for the will of the English is disgusting colnialism and they are better off getting out from under the Bullington and Etonian yoke. They'd be better solo or in a Celtic Union away from the poisonous Landed Gentry of the south if England.

Please stop with this celtic union shite. It'll never ever happen. Scotland wouldn't free itself of London to hook up with Dublin. The countries are fundamentally very different.

 

 

 

I ain't even surprised at these polls, and honestly nobody should be. The writing has been on the wall for Scotland and in NI aside from the DUP hardliners most people there know that the Good Friday Agreement trumps everything and should be protected at all costs. If a united Ireland is the only way to achieve that, then that's the best that England has made for itself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...impression=true

 

Plus the older people who are no longer on the electoral roll and we'll there you go. No mandate. Stop this right wing coup!!

Just weeks after I gave you the potential good news about Love Island, there’s more good news about leaving the EU! Wetherspoons shares have fallen 5% following a warning by analysts of the potential risks to the business posed by this move.

Just weeks after I gave you the potential good news about Love Island, there’s more good news about leaving the EU! Wetherspoons shares have fallen 5% following a warning by analysts of the potential risks to the business posed by this move.

 

I'm actually boycotting Wetherspoons at the moment, stopped my Nan going in there for lunch the other day and went to Patisserie Valerie instead - hope the whole Wetherspoons chain goes into collapse.

I only acknowledge the existence of its Edinburgh Airport branch and that’s only because it’s the only place there that serves a decent breakfast.

 

It employs a lot of people so it’d be sad for all those people out of work because their boss is a weaponsgrade c**t. Ironically most of them would be EU citizens so thatd probably thrill the prick

I'm actually boycotting Wetherspoons at the moment, stopped my Nan going in there for lunch the other day and went to Patisserie Valerie instead - hope the whole Wetherspoons chain goes into collapse.

I can see my local ‘Spoons from my window. I have no intention of ever visiting it.

 

BTW, I thought Patisserie Valerie were also accused of funding the Leave campaign.

It was the lesser of two evils in my mind, you'd think with a French sounding name they'd be pro-European though! Then again... Farage.

After carping from the sidelines since the referendum, the Quitters announced that they would be publishing their own plan within a matter of weeks, if not days. Leaving aside the question of why they haven't published a plan before, they have now changed their mind and their plans to publish a plan have been shelved. This could be because they can't actually agree on a plan, or it could be that they realise any published plan would fall apart with the minimum of scrutiny.

 

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson is now denouncing the agreement he hailed as brilliant as recently as last December as being "like a suicide vest". It doesn't take a genius to guess how the tabloids would react to a Labour MP using such a metaphor.

After carping from the sidelines since the referendum, the Quitters announced that they would be publishing their own plan within a matter of weeks, if not days. Leaving aside the question of why they haven't published a plan before, they have now changed their mind and their plans to publish a plan have been shelved. This could be because they can't actually agree on a plan, or it could be that they realise any published plan would fall apart with the minimum of scrutiny.

 

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson is now denouncing the agreement he hailed as brilliant as recently as last December as being "like a suicide vest". It doesn't take a genius to guess how the tabloids would react to a Labour MP using such a metaphor.

 

i'm back!

 

Still not a fan of the EU though. :)

 

Maybe i'd best avoid the N&P forum for now, to avoid raising my blood pressure. ;)

Good to see you back - even if you are still misguided :P

Good to see you back - even if you are still misguided :P

 

thank you (about the former). :)

Once again, I have reached a point where I am going to wake up and find this has all been a bad dream. Surely nobody as dim-witted as this lot could make it in politics? A group of people claiming to be economists, and with the endorsement of Jack Mogg, has published a paper on the supposed advantages of leaving without a deal. Let's leave aside for a moment, the trifling matter of those hundreds of treaties with other countries that would no longer apply and concentrate, as they do, on trade.

 

They claim that there will be an £8bn boost to the economy if we drop all tariffs (with no obligation on other countries to reciprocate). However, they also claim that there will be a boost to the Treasury's coffers as a result of all the extra tariffs that would be collected. I'm sure there is a flaw to this logic somewhere. Can anybody spot it?

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/debunki...st-the-economy/