Britain's best selling newspaper's headline today is "Don't Let Labour Kill Brexit", with a pic of Corbyn. The Sun's urging Labour MP's to not back Cooper's amendment which would give parliament the authority to force A50 to be revoked.

 

I am not completely sure, but I think there might be a chance that a few of the Tory Remainers might back Cooper's amendment, and even if they don't all nearly all the opposition will probably back it, there is a good chance it will get through I think!

 

Sir Graham Brady's amendment however, has next to no chance of getting through of course.

Edited January 29, 20196 yr by The Snake

I am not completely sure, but I think there might be a chance that a few of the Tory Remainers might back Cooper's amendment, and even if they don't all nearly all the opposition will probably back it, there is a good chance it will get through I think!

 

Sir Graham Brady's amendment however, has absolutely no chance of getting through of course, even if the Tory Brexiteers back it, it won't be enough to get through.

 

 

Sky News saying basically the same as you about Cooper's amendment and also that it could be close and they can't really call it at the moment.

 

No, Brady's had no chance.

Edited January 29, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Everyone's still playing he said, she said in Parliment and it will continue to be that way. May wants her Deal to go through and that's that.

 

Britain's best selling newspaper's headline today is "Don't Let Labour Kill Brexit", with a pic of Corbyn. The Sun's urging Labour MP's to not back Cooper's amendment which would give parliament the authority to force A50 to be revoked. It goes on to say that Brexit was what the people chose in a referendum so shouldn't be stopped by MP's. They are right. The Sun usually talks sense.

 

Chris out pf everything you have posted that has got to be the biggest joke. The Sun DOES NOT post any sense and is a complete shitstorm. It's an absolute joke of a newspaper which prints outright lies.

 

It will have an end on 29th March. We don't need an extension. We can leave with NO DEAL.

 

We can leave with No Deal, but it would be stupid. Judging by what I am reading and already know about my business, I suspect any effects of a No Deal will be felt 1-2 weeks before March 29th.

There's only one possible way forward.

 

New Holy Roman Empire.

 

Well, it's no less ridiculous than some of the suggestions that have been suggested at a national level.

 

Dibs on first King.

And what else did they do with the legislation for the 2016 referendum?

It's more a matter of what didn't happen.

 

There was an attempt to require a threshold to be passed for a vote to Leave to be binding. That was specifically rejected by the government because the vote was only advisory.

 

There was no provision for a recount. Even if the winning margin was just a few hundred votes, the result would have stood. Of course, there may well have been an attempt by the losing side to go to judicial review if the government had treated the result as gospel.

 

There was no provision for the referendum result to be annulled if the winning side broke the law. Again, the argument was that there was no logic in declaring a vote that was no more than an opinion poll to be invalid.

 

If the vote was to be binding, there would have been a lot more pressure on the Leave campaign to give at least a vague idea of their plans if they won. There was no indication in the campaign that any leading Quitters had given even a moment's thought to drawing up any sort of plan.

 

Many people have described the events of the last 2 1/2 years as some sort of coup. The longer this goes on, the easier it is for them to justify the claim.

 

So what did we learn tonight; parliment doesn't like the backstop and they don't want a No Deal. But something's gottta give here.

 

I'm gonna say May's current deal goes through. This is gonna get proper poker face now.

So what did we learn tonight; parliment doesn't like the backstop and they don't want a No Deal. But something's gottta give here.

 

I'm gonna say May's current deal goes through. This is gonna get proper poker face now.

Would agree with that. May's stubbornness won't get her anywhere in Brussels, but it might in the House of Commons.

 

So once she comes back with nothing, and we're back to square one again:

 

- I think she'd rather have No Deal than have to make concessions to Labour/softer Brexit MPs that she needs to get the deal through. The latter would destroy her party (not so sure if the current deal would).

- Labour/softer Brexit MPs would rather have a deal through than actually allow No Deal to happen (in part) due to their repeatedly voting down the deal.

 

Don't quite know what the optics will look like, but I can see those two assumptions leading us to her deal going through if indeed they're correct.

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by Harve

There was an attempt to require a threshold to be passed for a vote to Leave to be binding. That was specifically rejected by the government because the vote was only advisory.

 

If the vote was to be binding, there would have been a lot more pressure on the Leave campaign to give at least a vague idea of their plans if they won. There was no indication in the campaign that any leading Quitters had given even a moment's thought to drawing up any sort of plan.

 

OK, so we all agree the result was just advisory, *legally*. However, since that was never made clear to the electorate, it seems a safe assumption that they *treated* it as binding and voted accordingly. If so, then they they didn't care about the details.

 

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On a side issue : perhaps we should do a straw poll on whether you voted (at the time) on the basis the referendum was advisory, or binding - and also, would it have affected your choice if you'd have known it was only advisory? Also, did you expect the gov't to respect the result, whatever it might be?

 

Personally, I treated it as binding, no it wouldn't have affected my vote, and, Yes I did expect that.

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by vidcapper

It will have an end on 29th March. We don't need an extension. We can leave with NO DEAL.

 

I suppose you'll be satisfied when we're all left fighting over dead rats in the street for lunch.

I suppose you'll be satisfied when we're all left fighting over dead rats in the street for lunch.

 

:drama:

 

As always, Remainers take a worst-case scenario, and pretend it is a probable outcome.

 

As I see it, products we import from the EU will go up in price a bit - albeit after a short settling down period.

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by vidcapper

:drama:

 

As always, Remainers take a worst-case scenario, and pretend it is a probable outcome.

 

As I see it, products we import from the EU will go up in price a bit - albeit after a short settling down period.

 

It's called dramatic exaggeration for the purposes of creating an amusing or cynical visual.

 

Don't really understand humour then?

 

May has got the Tory party temporarily behind her until she finds out that the backstop is either fixed, or she gets offered a bit of paper with some bland hopes on it that won't satisfy Rees-Mogg & co.

 

The EU can't allow free border access for one non-member that isn't tied into some sort of legal agreement that keeps the backbone of it's rules, or else every country will demand the same and the EU starts to fall apart. That's much more troubling in to it than one self-important country trying to blackmail it's way to an agreement.

 

So the whole thing is still a mess. MP's will be left with 2 choices: vote the deal as it is or No Deal will result. Hard Brexiters will opt for NO Deal because they prefer that. So it's down to May not blinking right up to the bitter end to persuade those who don't like the deal to take it or get blamed for NO Deal.

 

Corbyn is still fence-sitting, but faced with that stark choice, now People's Vote looks dead thanks to his lack of support, he is going to look stupid whatever happens and piss off his supporters if we go Hard Brexit, and look weedy and useless to vote for May's deal after all he's said about it.

I suppose you'll be satisfied when we're all left fighting over dead rats in the street for lunch.

 

 

Oh stop it with the scaremongering. :rolleyes: We'll be just fine. We were fine before we joined and will be just fine again. They need us and our vast contributions more than we need them.

 

Won't come to no deal imo anyway as think a deal will get through parliament before March 29th.

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Oh stop it with the scaremongering. :rolleyes: We'll be just fine. We were fine before we joined and will be just fine again. They need us and our vast contributions more than we need them.

 

Won't come to no deal imo anyway as think a deal will get through parliament before March 29th.

 

You seem fairly sure about all of that. Have you finally come up with the reasons why everything will be just fine?

It's called dramatic exaggeration for the purposes of creating an amusing or cynical visual.

 

Don't really understand humour then?

 

Show me some, and I'll let you know... ;)

Wouldn't that be an unqualified assessment? :basil:

Oh stop it with the scaremongering. :rolleyes: We'll be just fine. We were fine before we joined and will be just fine again. They need us and our vast contributions more than we need them.

 

Won't come to no deal imo anyway as think a deal will get through parliament before March 29th.

Yeah, after all it's not as if the world has changed in the last 45 years. Spain is still an economic abasket case under Franco and is not competitive with the UK at all. Similarly, Italy's economy is nowhere near the size of the UKM. As for India, we don't have to worry about hem. And there's always the Empire to fall back on.

 

Why not try answering some of the many points made here about the idiocy of leaving without a deal? We could do with a laugh.

Yeah answer some questions back up your ridiculous claims. This is getting boring now.

Yeah answer some questions back up your ridiculous claims. This is getting boring now.

 

No you Remainers are getting boring by saying how bad things will be if we leave with no deal. It's not just here but other forums like DS too where the discussion's just going round and round in circles between remainers and brexiteers. It's all just sour grapes as leave won.

 

As Vid says there may be a few short-term price rises for imported foods but it'll not last long and there'll still be plenty of home produced foods available. We bake most of our bread here for example. Anyone for British beef on March 30th for dinner?

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by Common Sense

Latest from the BBC. May met Corbyn in private at 3pm

 

Laura Kuenssberg:

1. Corbyn’s spokesperson says there was a ‘serious exchange of views’ with the PM, exploring a customs union + single market relationship

2.Asked if PM indicated she might move to softer position and customs union Labour said she was ‘serious and engaged’ and ‘interested in exploring detail’

 

 

Dan Sabbath:

Labour suggesting that PM was open to shifting position on customs union...how will that go down on the Tory right?

Edited January 30, 20196 yr by Common Sense

No you Remainers are getting boring by saying how bad things will be if we leave with no deal. It's not just here but other forums like DS too where the discussion's just going round and round in circles between remainers and brexiteers. It's all just sour grapes as leave won.

 

As Vid says there may be a few short-term price rises for imported foods but it'll not last long and there'll still be plenty of home produced foods available. We bake most of our bread here for example. Anyone for British beef on March 30th for dinner?

Yes, just take a look around you and the fields are full of bananas, oranges, pineapples etc. And we all know that there is an abundance of British apples, salad item, etc. all year round.

 

So you've failed to give much of answer to that question. What about the others?