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On the contrary, she is abiding by the people's wishes - and since parliament's power derives *from* the people, then their choice, when specifically requested, should be sovereign! It is one of the very few things I respect her for.

 

There was nothing in the referendum about handing democracy over to Theresa May and changing our political system.

 

Thanks, though, for proving my point about using the referendum advisory vote as an excuse to rewrite anything she pleases - that's what you are doing. That's why she has lost every time she has tried to subvert democracy and a minority of the population like you try to justify using it as a reason to get what you believe in at any cost. Just for factual accuracy. Most of the population of the UK, by a large number, did NOT vote to leave the EU. A large number didn;t vote at all. Just to use your beloved woulda coulda's shoulda's back atcha, had the referendum included making May Queen of all she surveys and ending the British Parliamentary process as part of leaving the EU then that slim 52% to 48% majority might well have shrunk to f*** all, cos, y'know, Parliamentary process is the basis of our system, and of many other nations based on our system.

 

If you don't like it, you can always move to Saudi Arabia, who hold the sort of system where the ruler gets to do whatever they want and then claim it's what the people want.

 

You're welcome.

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There was nothing in the referendum about handing democracy over to Theresa May and changing our political system.

 

Thanks, though, for proving my point about using the referendum advisory vote as an excuse to rewrite anything she pleases - that's what you are doing. That's why she has lost every time she has tried to subvert democracy and a minority of the population like you try to justify using it as a reason to get what you believe in at any cost. Just for factual accuracy. Most of the population of the UK, by a large number, did NOT vote to leave the EU. A large number didn;t vote at all. Just to use your beloved woulda coulda's shoulda's back atcha, had the referendum included making May Queen of all she surveys and ending the British Parliamentary process as part of leaving the EU then that slim 52% to 48% majority might well have shrunk to f*** all, cos, y'know, Parliamentary process is the basis of our system, and of many other nations based on our system.

 

If you don't like it, you can always move to Saudi Arabia, who hold the sort of system where the ruler gets to do whatever they want and then claim it's what the people want.

 

You're welcome.

 

... to post complete nonsense. :rolleyes:

... to post complete nonsense. :rolleyes:

 

...to give me the chance to use logic and reason, and just basically show how right I am, and how much you don't believe in democracy :P

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...to give me the chance to use logic and reason, and just basically show how right I am, and how much you don't believe in democracy :P

 

Riiight... that's why I've always insisted the result of the democratic referendum of 26/6/16 should be respected. :teresa:

 

Had it gone the other way by a similar margin, I would have respected that result too, and what's more, not seek to challenge it on every conceivable basis. However, that would be a separate issue from my still thinking we'd made the wrong decision (an opinion I've never denied Remainers have a right to, either).

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Remainers can talk nonsense too...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...ave-voters.html

 

'Fire Leave voters first, that's what they voted for': Terry Christian sparks fury by saying bosses who may be forced to lay people off after Brexit should start with Leavers

 

The Mancunian DJ claims there are three businesses who adopted that policy

He said: 'Brexiteers voted for short term pain, it's time they sucked it up and stopped whining'

Wetherspoon founder Tim Martin was involved in a row with him on GMB today

He said: 'Terry, you're talking absolute nonsense. You are to economics what Tiger Woods is to monogamy'

Riiight... that's why I've always insisted the result of the democratic referendum of 26/6/16 should be respected. :teresa:

 

Had it gone the other way by a similar margin, I would have respected that result too, and what's more, not seek to challenge it on every conceivable basis. However, that would be a separate issue from my still thinking we'd made the wrong decision (an opinion I've never denied Remainers have a right to, either).

 

No you wouldn't. Everything you say proves you believe in the ends justifies the means. Farage certainly wouldn't and UKIP wouldn't. If you believe in democracy and there is evidence of substantial foreign illegality then you would agree to a re-run on the final deal just to make sure that is the democratic will. I would had the result been reversed and Cameron & co had accepted Russian millions to spread blatant lies.

Remainers can talk nonsense too...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...ave-voters.html

 

'Fire Leave voters first, that's what they voted for': Terry Christian sparks fury by saying bosses who may be forced to lay people off after Brexit should start with Leavers

 

The Mancunian DJ claims there are three businesses who adopted that policy

He said: 'Brexiteers voted for short term pain, it's time they sucked it up and stopped whining'

Wetherspoon founder Tim Martin was involved in a row with him on GMB today

He said: 'Terry, you're talking absolute nonsense. You are to economics what Tiger Woods is to monogamy'

 

Good to see your use of "too" there :lol:

 

Terry Christian is talking in a moral sense, and morally I agree with him - but it is a dumb idea because nobody knows how people voted, and you cant target people for political democratic beliefs. Tim Martin is a hypocrite using as he does cheap EU labour to get rich as his business model. Look forward to him having to sponsor cheap labour from outside the EU to keep his empire going and brexiteers joy as employers bring in low-skilled workers from those countries we want trade deals with.

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No you wouldn't. Everything you say proves you believe in the ends justifies the means.

 

I'm sorry you're so cynical that you don't believe me, no matter what I say.

 

Good to see your use of "too" there :lol:

 

I just threw you a bone. ;)

When a post-Brexit Tory government guts workers rights they won’t have the current chestnut of “its illegal to fire someone for a political belief” to fall back on.

 

 

I wholeheartedly support the brexiteers being first on the gallows. You reep what you sow

From a moral standpoint, yes absolutely. Those that voted for this and are still creaming their knickers over the prospect of it should be the first to deal with any nasty suprises that lay around the corner.
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When a post-Brexit Tory government guts workers rights they won’t have the current chestnut of “its illegal to fire someone for a political belief” to fall back on.

I wholeheartedly support the brexiteers being first on the gallows. You reep what you sow

 

They could - if they *wanted* to lose the next general election... :rolleyes:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ve-baker-brexit

 

fabulous piece on the Maybot, Jezinator, ThreesCPO and other Empire villains pretend-busy slagging off kids for wasting time (ie trying to save the planet Earth as it stares in the face of the Empire's blasters), or trying to get parliament to discuss a 50-year-dead politician. Hypocritical much.

 

Propaganda. A list of proveable lies is not the same as "inferences" made that "World war 3" would happen. That was never said, that's another Brexiteer lie trying to rewrite history which we saw and is on record. It also wasn't part of the Remain campaign literature, and neither were any of those claims. Cameron was repeating what the EU was created for - to ensure peace in Europe, and was supporting it in those terms.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-r...rendum-36243296

 

Thanks for the opportunity to add things to the list though. Johnson, BTW, DID claim that that "antidemocratic" forces risked war in Europe - exactly the thing the article accuses cameron of, exactly what farage claimed as we would be invaded by hordes of Turkish rapists and turmoil. The only turmoil is from far-right haters of liberal democracy, to date.

 

The economy BTW, appears to be struggling as a result of the vote as more and more figures come out, so Anna Soubry was right. If you're going to post articles as "proof" of anything at least try googling the claims first to check it's not blind propaganda.

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The economy BTW, appears to be struggling as a result of the vote as more and more figures come out, so Anna Soubry was right. If you're going to post articles as "proof" of anything at least try googling the claims first to check it's not blind propaganda.

 

No matter what I post in support of Brexit, you dismiss it out of hand as 'blind propaganda', so what would be the point?

 

No matter what I post in support of Brexit, you dismiss it out of hand as 'blind propaganda', so what would be the point?

 

Maybe you need to figure out a point or just stop entirely.

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Maybe you need to figure out a point

 

or just stop entirely.

 

While that might make this forum a lot quieter, I would still be here, and still supporting Brexit.

 

However, I cannot stand idly by while people here claim the EU is the best thing since sliced bread.

 

OK, the more reasonable amongst you do admit it has flaws, but even those people will not accept that I personally consider those flaws to outweigh the benefits.

While that might make this forum a lot quieter, I would still be here, and still supporting Brexit.

 

However, I cannot stand idly by while people here claim the EU is the best thing since sliced bread.

 

OK, the more reasonable amongst you do admit it has flaws, but even those people will not accept that I personally consider those flaws to outweigh the benefits.

 

Nobody has ever claimed it is flawless. There is much room for improvement. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, however, is not something I believe in. When you post something that is based in reality, I agree with it. I also agree with you and Chris continuing to post your viewpoint because in a democracy all viewpoints should be aired without personal criticism and animosity*

 

I'm not criticising anti-EU articles in principle, there is plenty of room for those in the world with justified criticism, I'm slagging off the lazy, biased, mouth-frothing, lie-peddling articles. The article I posted was pure opinion, based on actual events, no need to invent things aren't true to back up a biased opinion. The problem with prominent Brexiteers is: once you've been caught lying through your teeth, and peddling hyperbolic hypocrisy, it's very difficult to persuade anyone that you aren't still lying.

 

To maintain credibility politicians have to be consistent in what they say, based in reality, and own their mistakes when they make them. That way opinion can be respected even if not agreed with. If Brexiteers stopped being so ABSOLUTE about everything and calmed down and admitted more of the country doesn't agree with them than does, mellowed their approach to a more positive co-operative one that tried to take a wide range of views into account, then we wouldnt be facing the ongoing shitshow that we are. This should have been sorted 2 years ago - and THEN moved onto the EU agreement.

 

(* and I'm guilty of this when it comes to lying politicians)

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