November 8, 200618 yr I was thinking that. They should bring back the death penalty. Life doesn't mean life nowdays. I am sure these people agree with you ^_^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sion_Jenkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/eddiebrowning/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in...aphael_rowe.stm ;)
November 8, 200618 yr Life doesn't mean life nowdays. It would for Saddam.... :lol: He'd be dead inside a decade... Milosevic didn't even make it to the verdict before pegging out on us....
November 8, 200618 yr I am sure these people agree with you ^_^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sion_Jenkins http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/eddiebrowning/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in...aphael_rowe.stm ;) Well put mate, you cant bring the Death Penalty back with the amount of miscarriages of justice that routinely happen.... The women who got sent down on the so-called 'expert evidence' of Sir Roy fukkin' Meadows as well, add them to the list....
November 8, 200618 yr i agree... but.... iraq has the death penalty . as if he gave anyone clemency.... thousands of kurds certainly wouldnt agree.
November 8, 200618 yr i agree... but.... iraq has the death penalty . as if he gave anyone clemency.... thousands of kurds certainly wouldnt agree. As the saying goes - 2 wrongs don't make a right, if they execute him they are as bad as he is as they have dragged themselves down to his level
November 8, 200618 yr tbh does it really matter? He's going to get hunged, no matter how much we complain, he's going to die, end of
November 8, 200618 yr Live by the sword die by the sword You are not looking at the bigger picture Brian Its all the well executing him and I shed no tears for the guy if that happens but him being executed will turn Iraqi streets into a river of blood as Sunni's unleash massive revenge and undoubtedly UK soldiers and American soldiers would be returning home in body bags as well as Hussein becoming a martyr, is the escalation of violence and the revenge attacks a price worth paying ? is him becoming a martyr and a hero a price worth paying ? far better to lock him up and throw away the key and let him die an inglorious death in some cold dark 12x6ft cell
November 8, 200618 yr But that is happening at the moment, and would probably happen in other arab countries if strict governments don't keep them in check.The sunnis and the shias hate each other,they will never live in peace together,unless there is martial law,and then you could argue thats what Saddam had in place originally. I think its a catch 22 situation damned if he hangs, damned if he lives.
November 8, 200618 yr I can see where you are coming from but I think that the risks involed just for a few good headlines in the west would do more harm that good, he hangs he will be considered a martyr and an arab hero that was killed by the "American infadels" and he doesn't deserve that satisfaction, give him a life sentence, lock him up in a cold dark cell and by the time he dies in 10 years of heart failure or whatever the Americans will be gone and his death would pass barely noticed and it would not be the "heroic" death that he would have if he hangs
November 8, 200618 yr the only problem with locking him up is,after the americans have left,who guards him. Sunni or shia? one will let him go and the other will kill him.
November 9, 200618 yr I dont really care that much to be honest... I cant honestly say I'm sorry that he's gonna get his just desserts, but in principle I'm against the death penalty unless the evidence is utterly compelling and fool-proof, and I'm also against it when it serves the political ends of a party or State... So, in principle Saddam deserves it, but because it serves the interests of Bush/Blair I oppose it... It's a tough call, is what I'm saying.... All three of 'em dangling on a rope is my preference.... :lol: Well aslong as you agree that he deserves death my purpose in this thread has been served. :lol:
November 9, 200618 yr As the saying goes - 2 wrongs don't make a right, if they execute him they are as bad as he is as they have dragged themselves down to his level but it THEIR law, not ours. i disagree with the death penalty but that the law in iraq.
November 9, 200618 yr but it THEIR law, not ours. i disagree with the death penalty but that the law in iraq. The point is though he should not be tried in Iraq, he should have been tried in The Hague in open court the same way as Milosevic and his cronies and other genocidal dictators, but he was tried behind closed doors in an Iraqi court where the verdict had been predetermined as opposed to being given a fair trial but as someone else (Scott ? ) said earlier if he had been tried in the Hague then American dodgy deals would have been exposed and the like so it was convenient for Bush to try him in an Iraqi kangaroo court but that does not make it right. I am not an apologist for Hussein, he did some vile acts ALLEGEDLY but I believe that as he is a captive of the West that he should be entitled to a free and fair hearing in a courtroom that follows Western protocol and this is not the case here Edited November 9, 200618 yr by Kimi Räikkönen
November 9, 200618 yr The point is though he should not be tried in Iraq, he should have been tried in The Hague in open court the same way as Milosevic and his cronies and other genocidal dictators, but he was tried behind closed doors in an Iraqi court where the verdict had been predetermined as opposed to being given a fair trial but as someone else (Scott ? ) said earlier if he had been tried in the Hague then American dodgy deals would have been exposed and the like so it was convenient for Bush to try him in an Iraqi kangaroo court but that does not make it right. I am not an apologist for Hussein, he did some vile acts ALLEGEDLY but I believe that as he is a captive of the West that he should be entitled to a free and fair hearing in a courtroom that follows Western protocol and this is not the case here Yeah, it was me, it's not just American dodgy deals, there's British dodgy deals (remember the Scott Report..?), Russian dodgy deals, French dodgy deals........ An open trial in The Hague would have caused a LOT of embarrassment to a lot of people... The trial actually was televised on Iraqi TV, so it wasn't exactly behind 'closed doors' as such, but I do feel that the proceedings had the illusion of openness... The conclusion was, I feel, predetermined. The verdict coming mere days before the American mid-term elections (not that it ended up doing Bush any good anyway.... :lol: :lol: ) can't be mere coincidence. No wonder Bush looked utterly stunned by the Republicans' trouncing...... :lol: :lol: He probably thought the verdict would give him a boost in the polls, good to see the Yanks finally waking up to these Neo-Con b/astards....
November 9, 200618 yr But that is happening at the moment, and would probably happen in other arab countries if strict governments don't keep them in check.The sunnis and the shias hate each other,they will never live in peace together,unless there is martial law,and then you could argue thats what Saddam had in place originally. I think its a catch 22 situation damned if he hangs, damned if he lives. You think things are bad now..? Just wait til the Death Sentence is actually carried out mate... There will be rivers of blood and carnage in Iraq that make what's happening at the moment look like a minor quibble.... And it will be OUR SOLDIERS right smack bang in the middle of it under fire from two fanatical armed camps... You familiar with the term 'turkey shoot'.....?
November 9, 200618 yr Yeah, it was me, it's not just American dodgy deals, there's British dodgy deals (remember the Scott Report..?), Russian dodgy deals, French dodgy deals........ An open trial in The Hague would have caused a LOT of embarrassment to a lot of people... The trial actually was televised on Iraqi TV, so it wasn't exactly behind 'closed doors' as such, but I do feel that the proceedings had the illusion of openness... The conclusion was, I feel, predetermined. The verdict coming mere days before the American mid-term elections (not that it ended up doing Bush any good anyway.... :lol: :lol: ) can't be mere coincidence. No wonder Bush looked utterly stunned by the Republicans' trouncing...... :lol: :lol: He probably thought the verdict would give him a boost in the polls, good to see the Yanks finally waking up to these Neo-Con b/astards.... Yeah its great that the Americans are finally wising up and realising that Bush and his corrupt religious zealot cronies are a disaster for them both at home and abroad :cheer: :cheer:
November 9, 200618 yr no craig, he should be tried in iraq, thats the best way to TRY to prevent it being seen as a western whitewash....
November 9, 200618 yr You think things are bad now..? Just wait til the Death Sentence is actually carried out mate... There will be rivers of blood and carnage in Iraq that make what's happening at the moment look like a minor quibble.... And it will be OUR SOLDIERS right smack bang in the middle of it under fire from two fanatical armed camps... You familiar with the term 'turkey shoot'.....? as i see it, there is no way out, with or without the war there was going to be rivers of blood. iraq wasnt exactly a peaceful place before the war...
November 9, 200618 yr as i see it, there is no way out, with or without the war there was going to be rivers of blood. iraq wasnt exactly a peaceful place before the war... The war was a waste of time then, all Bush's c**p about "liberating Iraq" was bull$h!t and nothing more than soundbite for his gullible cronies on Fox News, the fact is Bush has awakened the beast, for years under Hussein there was peace between Kurds and Shias, Shia's and Sunni's, Sunni's and Kurds etc, Hussein ruled by force and fear and he kept the factions together, now that he is no longer in charge the various religions are at each others throats settling decades old scores with the resulting bloodshed, Hussein held Iraq's religious factions together in the same way Tito held Yugoslavia together
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