*bangs head against wall*

 

The EU has nothing to do with our failing public services. Health, Education, Social Housing, Council Services. All things that are funded solely by the UK Government and nothing to do with the EU or EU Law.

 

The EU has a multitude of flaws but it’s far from the source from all our problems as a country. Leaving won’t solve any of these issues in the slightest.

 

This is what gets me — we do criticise and discuss the flaws of the EU. The EU isn't perfect.

 

Brexit supporters are mostly unable to discuss any flaws of leaving without a deal. It's all or nothing. It's tiring.

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*I'm naive*?

 

I'm not the one who thinks the EU is infallible. :teresa:

 

Assuming you *don't* actually believe that, then you automatically acknowledge that it has faults, which is all that I was trying to point out. We just disagree over whether its faults outweigh its benefits.

I was referring more to the first part of your statement. The UK needs to accept that the EU are not likely to change their rules to suit a country that is set to become an ex-member. After all, why should they?

*bangs head against wall*

 

The EU has nothing to do with our failing public services. The blame for our public services being a bag of shite isn’t immigrants it’s the UK governments needless austerity agenda. This is not complicated. It’s not rocket science. It’s not opinions or partisan viewpoints. It’s a cold hard fact. Health, Education, Social Housing, Council Services. All things that are funded solely by the UK Government and nothing to do with the EU or EU Law.

 

Did I mention anything about public services?

 

I would suggest that the EU, in constraining what we do in certain areas, has knock-on effects to others, so it cannot be completely absolved of blame, as you seem to be doing.

 

This is what gets me — we do criticise and discuss the flaws of the EU. The EU isn't perfect.

 

Brexit supporters are mostly unable to discuss any flaws of leaving without a deal. It's all or nothing. It's tiring.

 

Leaving without a deal is less desirable than with one, but when our own parliament rejects the deal we drew up, what can we do?

 

 

I was referring more to the first part of your statement. The UK needs to accept that the EU are not likely to change their rules to suit a country that is set to become an ex-member. After all, why should they?

 

We did *try* to reform it from within, but that proved more & more difficult as it grew in size, so at some point you either have to say 'enough is enough', or pin a 'kick me' sign to our backs.

It's an extreme hard Tory brexshit worse than Mad May's deal. I hope it's not getting passed.

 

 

Corrected your post for you. Happy to help. :)

Did I mention anything about public services?

 

I would suggest that the EU, in constraining what we do in certain areas, has knock-on effects to others, so it cannot be completely absolved of blame, as you seem to be doing.

Leaving without a deal is less desirable than with one, but when our own parliament rejects the deal we drew up, what can we do?

We did *try* to reform it from within, but that proved more & more difficult as it grew in size, so at some point you either have to say 'enough is enough', or pin a 'kick me' sign to our backs.

Dimwit Cameron's tactic for persuading fellow European leaders to agree reforms was to leave the main centre-right grouping in the European parliament. That made things difficult before he even became PM.

Did I mention anything about public services?

 

I would suggest that the EU, in constraining what we do in certain areas, has knock-on effects to others, so it cannot be completely absolved of blame, as you seem to be doing.

I did. That was the point of my post you replied to which lampooned all the blame on the EU

 

Put your money where your mouth is. Give examples please of what the EU is doing that causes problems for domestic law on areas the EU has no jurisdiction

I did. That was the point of my post you replied to which lampooned all the blame on the EU

 

Put your money where your mouth is. Give examples please of what the EU is doing that causes problems for domestic law on areas the EU has no jurisdiction

 

Employment law, for example.

 

You mean EU PROTECTIONS?!

 

OH MY GODDDDD :rofl:

 

You do realise the billionaire press and Tories want to RIP UP thode protrctions? That IS NOT A GOOD THING!

You mean EU PROTECTIONS?!

 

OH MY GODDDDD :rofl:

 

You do realise the billionaire press and Tories want to RIP UP thode protrctions? That IS NOT A GOOD THING!

Now this is quite interesting.

 

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Employment law, for example.

Which aspects of employment law do you oppose?

It has to be a balanced panel and audience. The BBC as other broadcasters must be impartial. Not every question is about Brexit either.

 

Is that true - or did you hear it from the BBC? LOL!

 

Is that true - or did you hear it from the BBC? LOL!

 

 

Those are the rules and if Ofcom get complaints then they investigate them.

Which aspects of employment law do you oppose?

Especially seeing as we’ve opted out of chunks of it!!

From the Financial Times:

 

According to the FT

 

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is eyeing plans to ambush Boris Johnson by trying to force a House of Commons vote on a second EU referendum should the prime minister bring a new Brexit deal before parliament.

 

Senior Labour figures said it was “conceivable” that the party would pursue attaching a confirmatory referendum to any new withdrawal agreement while also pushing for a general election.

 

So now Corbyn trying to prevent us leaving. When does this end? LORD GIVE ME STRENGTH.

So now Corbyn trying to prevent us leaving. When does this end? LORD GIVE ME STRENGTH.

How does that prevent us from leaving?

How does that prevent us from leaving?

 

 

He's delaying it. We want out by 31st or soon after. As soon as possible. This is a joke now and has gone on too long.

Who the f*** is we?

 

Put it to the vote. The end.

Reports tonight that some Tory MP's and the ERG aren't happy with this deal at all even if the EU accept it. They say it's just May's deal with very fine changes. Boris may try to bribe those who had the whip removed by offering to re-instate it if they vote for his deal. He still may not get the numbers. It would be on an absolute knife-edge on 19th.

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