Hopefully it will get through on Friday afternoon and the MP's can then have a nice Christmas break like the rest of us. Boris will open the debate at 10.30 am and it will be closed by the Brexit Secretary.

 

Just the one vote on Friday to say the Commons passes it in principle. I hope Boris talks tough, especially firmly putting down any Labour or Lib-Dem opposition to Brexit as the voters have spoken and said who's Brexit policy they want.

So you accept that 52% of people voted for parties supporting a referendum on the deal? Perhaps you could persuade your pal de Pfeffel to agree.

Well they will as it's a 5 -6 hour debate I believe.

 

I wish people would stop saying it'll be a mess. It's almost as if all you Remainers want it to fail and be a mess. Well I think it'll be a huge success. Imagine a man chained in a filthy rat infested dungeon since 1973 suddenly being released.

It will be a mess. Trust me.

The irony of course being that the UK was the 'sick man of Europe' in the early 1970s and had to go to the IMF for a bailout. Chris will be eating oodles of humble pie come 2024 but I'm happy to wait to serve it up.

The irony of course being that the UK was the 'sick man of Europe' in the early 1970s and had to go to the IMF for a bailout. Chris will be eating oodles of humble pie come 2024 but I'm happy to wait to serve it up.

 

100% THIS. France and Germany were reluctant to let the sick man of Europe into the club. Italy surpassed the UK economically too in that period. It was celebrated as a massive triumph there and further humiliated the UK. Europe saved the UK. This is a case of biting the hand that feeds you.

This is quite ironic actually.

 

 

JD Wetherspoon has upset customers by serving pigs in blankets without their blankets at pubs across the UK in Christmas meals.

 

The pub chain said it had problems with its meat supplier.

 

In October, the British Meat Association (BMA) warned that pigs in blankets may be in short supply this year due to a lack of seasonal EU workers across UK meat plants.

 

BMA chief executive Nick Allen told the BBC then that wrapping cocktail sausages in bacon is done by hand.

 

"Pigs and blankets are a very labour intensive thing to make and we're short of labour," he said. "If it is something to do with that then it comes as no surprise."

Edited December 17, 20195 yr by Crazy Chris-tmas

Why don't they just employ more workers who are already here? Plenty of people without jobs apparently including some even with degrees. No job's too menial to get a foot on the ladder.

Edited December 17, 20195 yr by Crazy Chris-tmas

Profit margins, economies of geography for why there aren't workers in these kinds of seasonal jobs that provide no job security - in lieu of automation, the capitalist solution is to source people who will accept poor pay, migrants.

 

this is where market forces screw consumers, god wouldn't it just be amazing if there were some kind of economic system that didn't depend on a one-to-one relationship with a market in order to deem something worthwhile making

 

yes that's right, marxism can solve your uninterrupted artisanal pigs-in-blankets desires, would raise the prices because the workers would be fairly compensated for their labour but surely that's worth it for getting a proper Christmas dinner assured. rather than the capitalist throwing this minor but important element away because their desire for profit has priced them below the wage workers are willing to accept

 

this is the sort of tangent i go off on right before bed, yes

Why don't they just employ more workers who are already here? Plenty of people without jobs apparently including some even with degrees. No job's too menial to get a foot on the ladder.

 

You’re welcome to apply x

Well they will as it's a 5 -6 hour debate I believe.

 

I wish people would stop saying it'll be a mess. It's almost as if all you Remainers want it to fail and be a mess. Well I think it'll be a huge success. Imagine a man chained in a filthy rat infested dungeon since 1973 suddenly being released.

 

As others have said, it's going to be a mess. You've already had senior cabinet ministers saying it's going to be a mess. Any large business knows it's going to be a huge mess as well, there are just so many ordinary little things that we all take for granted that are going to be impacted. But ah well, I'll gladly be one of these people saying "I told you so".

This is quite ironic actually.

JD Wetherspoon has upset customers by serving pigs in blankets without their blankets at pubs across the UK in Christmas meals.

 

The pub chain said it had problems with its meat supplier.

 

In October, the British Meat Association (BMA) warned that pigs in blankets may be in short supply this year due to a lack of seasonal EU workers across UK meat plants.

 

BMA chief executive Nick Allen told the BBC then that wrapping cocktail sausages in bacon is done by hand.

 

"Pigs and blankets are a very labour intensive thing to make and we're short of labour," he said. "If it is something to do with that then it comes as no surprise."

Dear Tim Martin.

 

Why don't you buy a load of sausages and a load of bacon and then employ people in your awful pubs to wrap the bacon around the sausages?

 

My fee for this advice - £10,000.

Dear Tim Martin.

 

Why don't you buy a load of sausages and a load of bacon and then employ people in your awful pubs to wrap the bacon around the sausages?

 

My fee for this advice - £10,000.

 

 

I never buy premade pigs in blankets always make my own, that way you can cut the fatty crap off and just have bacon wrapped round the sausage :wub:

Well they will as it's a 5 -6 hour debate I believe.

 

I wish people would stop saying it'll be a mess. It's almost as if all you Remainers want it to fail and be a mess. Well I think it'll be a huge success. Imagine a man chained in a filthy rat infested dungeon since 1973 suddenly being released.

 

Wha???

Profit margins, economies of geography for why there aren't workers in these kinds of seasonal jobs that provide no job security - in lieu of automation, the capitalist solution is to source people who will accept poor pay, migrants.

 

this is where market forces screw consumers, god wouldn't it just be amazing if there were some kind of economic system that didn't depend on a one-to-one relationship with a market in order to deem something worthwhile making

 

yes that's right, marxism can solve your uninterrupted artisanal pigs-in-blankets desires, would raise the prices because the workers would be fairly compensated for their labour but surely that's worth it for getting a proper Christmas dinner assured. rather than the capitalist throwing this minor but important element away because their desire for profit has priced them below the wage workers are willing to accept

 

this is the sort of tangent i go off on right before bed, yes

 

:lol:

So anyway, 'non-regression' of workers' rights among changes made to Withdrawal Agreement

 

@1206868975512117248

 

I'm feeling a little slow tonight and it's written in rather coded language, that does mean that they're going back on their previous agreement to not change those sections, does it not?

I don't understand it either. What is non-regression? It's the evil tories, so I assume it's something bad.

I don't understand it either. What is non-regression? It's the evil tories, so I assume it's something bad.

Non-regression on workers means keeping EU-influenced labour laws as they currently are now but without going as far as implementing any future changes that the EU makes to labour laws. So, for example, the right to 28 days of paid holiday for a full-time worker per year, for part time workers to be treated fairly in relation to full time workers, the right to organise labour/be part of trade unions are currently enshrined by the EU (even though in many cases they were part of UK law previously). Boris Johnson promised to keep these in October in exchange for support from the Labour Leavers but this week has changed his mind, now that he doesn't need them anymore. Regression allows the Tories to remove laws like this (which wouldn't have been possible as EU members).

 

You'll also hear about 'dynamic alignment', which not only means keeping EU laws as they already stand, but also to change UK law to follow any future changes to EU law. This will be necessary in some cases to avoid a no trade deal/extremely limited trade deal situation with the EU.

Edited December 18, 20195 yr by Harve

I never buy premade pigs in blankets always make my own, that way you can cut the fatty crap off and just have bacon wrapped round the sausage :wub:

 

 

I've three packs of 12 each in the freezer that were just 20p each on Saturday as it was the date. You've to choose when you buy them as sometimes the bacon is very fatty.

Dear Tim Martin.

 

Why don't you buy a load of sausages and a load of bacon and then employ people in your awful pubs to wrap the bacon around the sausages?

 

My fee for this advice - £10,000.

 

 

That's what I thought. Why can't a staff member come in an hour earlier and do them. Can't be that hard. Bet they buy pre-cooked ones and just warm them up.

Boris Johnson will let judges scrap EU rulings that protect sick pay and holiday

 

Rulings that protect your rights to working hours, flight compensation and VAT could also be overturned in the 'lower courts' as part of the Tory leader's drive to restore the 'sovereignty' of the UK system

 

Boris Johnson plans to hand judges the power to overturn EU rulings on holiday entitlement, sick leave, working hours, VAT and flight compensation.

 

Theresa May ’s Brexit plan would have allowed only the Supreme Court to rule on judgements handed down by the European Court of Justice - a move which angered many Tory Eurosceptics.

 

But a new clause in Mr Johnson’s withdrawal agreement would extend that pledge to lower British courts.

 

Lord Pannick, who led two successful Supreme Court cases against the government over Brexit, warned the move could cause “very considerable legal uncertainty.”

 

It’s feared the plan could have a major impact on protections for workers and consumers - putting long-held rights in jeopardy.

 

For example, the change would make it easier for employers to challenge staff rights to carry over holiday entitlement while on sick leave.

 

And Attorney General Geoffrey Cox has reportedly warned the PM that the rule change must be carefully written.

 

A Number 10 spokesman said: ”The bill will ensure that the Supreme Court is not the only institution able to consider retained European Court of Justice rulings

 

"This is an important change which will ensure that we do not face a legal bottleneck and inadvertently stay bound by EU rulings for many years.

 

“We will take back control of our laws and disentangle ourselves from the EU's legal order."

 

The move was welcomed by former Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith, now a leading figure in the pro-Brexit European Research Group.

 

"This is a critical pledge that puts sovereign rights back in the hands of the United Kingdom Government and of course the British people," he told the BBC.

 

The clause will be contained in the revised version of the Withdrawal Implementation Bill (WAB) which is due to be introduced in the Commons on Thursday ahead of a second reading vote by MPs on Friday.

The European parliament could block Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal over the UK’s treatment of EU citizens, its Brexit coordinator has said.

 

Guy Verhofstadt called for the “remaining problems” with citizens’ rights to be solved before consent could be given by the parliament, which is yet to vote on the agreement.

 

MEPs are worried that problems with the UK’s settlement scheme for EU nationals could cause problems and leave some citizens with no immigration status.

 

“Everyone presumes the European parliament will give automatically its consent to the withdrawal agreement. Not if the remaining problems with the citizens’ rights are not solved first,” Mr Verhofstadt said on Wednesday. “Citizens can never become the victims of Brexit.”

 

Ultimately, Mr Verhofstadt does not control the votes of MEPs in the parliament – so his warning could ring hollow if group and party leaders decide they would rather swing behind the plan.