I am still baffled that lib dem Joe fell for the polls. It was so obvious that Farage would collapse and his vote would go to the Tories. He has neeever won a seat at the election. Ever. She needs to go. They should replace her with um ANYONE ELSE!

 

Ed Davey if she does go. Even if she keeps her seat she may not go straight away.

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We’ve pushed it to the lowest rate allowable under EU law but leaving the EU means we could zero rate the products (if anyone believes a Tory government would theyre a f***ing eejit). There is some work being done in Brussels to kill off the tampon tax EU wide I believe but VAT law in the EU is monumentally complex as it’s works on the basis of unanimous votes for a change or the change dies. So you’ll get some slight vomit worthy governments (looking at u Poland & Hungary) that have a full and easy veto over the changes.

 

It’d be easier outside the EU to remove the tampon tax, but that’s not to say that it cannot be done within the EU, it’s just got some politics to navigate.

 

 

 

I think the Tories are clear. When we leave they'll probably zero rate them.

Lib Dems need to elect someone without any association to the previous coalition and also avoid (if they’re even reelected) those who defected from Labour/Conservative/Change UK/Monster Raving Looney Party but, their lack of MPs really leaves them without much, if any, choice to even do that.

 

Aside from the revoke/running to be PM issues, the other thing that has hampered the Lib Dem campaign is still taking the blame from the coalition and obviously Jo’s odd voting record.

 

They need a fresh centrist identity that isn’t just following any gap in the political landscape and also not having their identity essentially be the fallback option for those not wanting to vote Labour/Conservative.

There is no political party that deserves a vote. Opinion on the ground from canvassers in England is that the leaders are often regarded as crap or the policies are crap or they are blatantly lying. My opinion is they are the worst line-up in my lifetime, and that's including the shambles that was 2017.

 

So, that leaves me with the option of either a PERSONAL vote or a TACTICAL vote or a SPOILED vote.

 

I don't know the candidates locally, but I do know I dislike the sitting MP in one of the safest Tory seats in the UK very much, and I loathe what the Tories are intending to do with a majority: not just a likely Hard Brexit, not just selling what's left of the UK to the highest bidders, not just the clearly empty promises they have no intention of fulfilling (just like the last election), but also the intent to remove all legal brakes on anything that restricts the PM doing what he likes in Parliament.

 

So. I will be voting for the party most-likely to reduce the majority of the sitting Tory MP, and so should everyone else in the country. The Labour Party is far and away the biggest opposition party so I will be voting for them for the first-time in my life.

 

The polls don't matter if everyone Not-Tory votes tactically. This is effectively what Brexit Party supporters have had forced on them so that Johnson has a clear run in Tory seats. Since the nonces running the other parties can't agree to do what needs to be done to stop catastrophe, and none of them has a hope in hell of winning an election, people power is the only option.

 

For the record, the world is so bloody depressing right now I want to avoid the news entirely, but this is important to say. Last chance.

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More proof (not that It was needed) that Boris is a sick, disgusting individual. Anyone supporting him, or the Tories are a disgrace

A powerful video from Clean Bandit giving a non specific 'vote for your children' message (promoting anti-Tory tactical voting I suppose).

 

 

I really hope the power of tactical voting will be able to come through, to some extent I'm sure most elections must have a lot of tactical voting in them but it seems to be being pushed harder than ever this time.

Tories are utterly VILE and Bullingdon boy Bojo is easily one of the worst among swine.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...obox=1575881104

 

Arlene has turned on Bojo!! If he doesn't get a majoeity, it's bye bye Bojo. May he never darken our doors again!

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More proof (not that It was needed) that Boris is a sick, disgusting individual. Anyone supporting him, or the Tories are a disgrace

And in that video is the entire Tory campaign of this election. Johnson doesn’t want to do any tougher interviews because he has nothing else to say apart from we need to avoid the deadlock, block Corbyn and Sturgeon coalition get brexit done so we can have 20000 police officers, 40 new hospitals invest more in our NHS and Australian style points system. Occasionally drop in 50000 new nurses. Oven ready, unlock potential blah blah.

 

That’s it.

 

That’s what we’re going to elect for 5 years. There’s no direction on how to actually get Brexit done.

 

This is essentially the country’s biggest job interview and we’re giving someone a job on 5 soundbites, with no detail.

They have the hard right, the far right, the racists, the home county tories, moderate right, centre right except Lib Dems, and the never Labour voters all smushed together in an uncomfortable coalition within their landed gèntry rich posh party. The media is not holding them to account and is treating them like the "natural party" of governance. We need a new voting system to forever neuter the evil party and their media control.

They have the hard right, the far tight, the racists, the home county tories, moderate right, centre right except Lib Dems, and the never Labour voters all smushed together in an uncomfortable coalition within their landed gèntry rich posh party. The media is not holding them to account and is treating them like the "natural party" of governance. We need a new voting system to forever neuter the evil party and their media control.

 

Do you actually read what you write? You've just advocated a voting system specifically designed to exclude one political party! What is democratic about that?

 

Ah here comes the Tory defender, right on schedule!

 

And what is democratic about a one party natural party of governance Tory authoritarian state exactly?

 

The party is evil. It has always hated the working class and the nhs. With a different voting system, its 30-40% WILL NOT BE ENOUGH and the elft wing, WHICH GETS MORE VOTES ACROSS ITS PARTIES, will DEMOCRATICALLY be able to rule with PEOPLE POWER. The tories will lsoe their media strangehold, will lose their brainwashing power, and split into the various right wing factions. Labour would split into centrist and left, too, but this is all FAR more democratic than this shower we have. This is not democracy and you can't even see it.

 

Also:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bori...t.co/abAYFbLXAr

 

Protesters dressed in Andrew Neil masks!! Bojo just grinned for the BBToey cameras. Given the BBTory track record, they'll just edit out the boos and protesters anyway.

Do you actually read what you write? You've just advocated a voting system specifically designed to exclude one political party! What is democratic about that?

 

Democratic societies that wish to remain so would do well to exclude or otherwise harshly punish parties that seek to subvert democracy.

 

The theory is correct, in practice we are at the stage where we are seeing horrific and repeated warning signs that make a potential far-right majority very dangerous to the future health of this country. The Tory campaign promises nothing but lies and empty promises, electing them would be giving them effectively a blank cheque to rule and further deepen their control of the state, which has been too far warped already.

Democratic societies that wish to remain so would do well to exclude or otherwise harshly punish parties that seek to subvert democracy.

 

The theory is correct, in practice we are at the stage where we are seeing horrific and repeated warning signs that make a potential far-right majority very dangerous to the future health of this country. The Tory campaign promises nothing but lies and empty promises, electing them would be giving them effectively a blank cheque to rule.

 

 

There's only one reason why the Tories will be elected, if they are. BREXIT. The number of people I read on Twitter and other forums who say they don't care about any other policies or what else Boris gets up to as long as Brexit gets done. Labour needed a better leader but also shouldn't have promised a second referendum. If they also said they'd get a Brexit deal through as soon as possible maybe they'd have picked up a lot of Brexiteer votes.

 

Even OFCOM let Sky carry on calling it the Brexit election after complaints were received. That's why Boris got the word in as much as he could in interviews and debates.

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Well, you know, life and society is far far more than one reason over whether we are members of a club or not. Public services need to be run to keep our citizens alive and well cared for, our economy needs to run to keep people earning, we need to control our impact on the environment or we all die. Anyone voting based on one issue that isn't even central to our nation's survival is being an irresponsible moron.

Well, you know, life and society is far far more than one reason over whether we are members of a club or not. Public services need to be run to keep our citizens alive and well cared for, our economy needs to run to keep people earning, we need to control our impact on the environment or we all die. Anyone voting based on one issue that isn't even central to our nation's survival is being an irresponsible moron.

 

 

Yes I agree totally. As someone who is holding their nose to vote Tory just to "get Brexit done" this morning on another forum said though "mess with the electorate at your peril!"

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Democratic societies that wish to remain so would do well to exclude or otherwise harshly punish parties that seek to subvert democracy.

 

The theory is correct, in practice we are at the stage where we are seeing horrific and repeated warning signs that make a potential far-right majority very dangerous to the future health of this country. The Tory campaign promises nothing but lies and empty promises, electing them would be giving them effectively a blank cheque to rule and further deepen their control of the state, which has been too far warped already.

 

The other far right party literally does not have a public manifesto. They have said: vote for us and we'll reveal what we'll do. That is literally a blank cheque. It could literally say ANYTHING.

When will Brexit be done?

When will Brexit be done?

 

 

Well if Boris gets a majority and his deal through early in the New Year, we should be officially out by 31st January. Yes trade deals to negotiate and sign but Brandon Lewis says he can't see why they can't be done be late July. Has apparently said it again on the radio.

That's not possible. It would be a hard brexshit. You do rralise that a fsiled hard Tory brexshit will just mean we rejoin sooner? There is no future outside the EU. The UK would have to rejoin at some point and in some capacity anyway.

Well if Boris gets a majority and his deal through early in the New Year, we should be officially out by 31st January. Yes trade deals to negotiate and sign but Brandon Lewis says he can't see why they can't be done be late July. Has apparently said it again on the radio.

When December 2020 is ambitious by the Government’s own admission, July certainly is not a consideration! You are being played like a puppet.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/b5be23ba-19d0-11...df-cc63de1d73f4

 

“The Dexeu document, circulated last week to senior officials in Whitehall, said: “Delivery of the required infrastructure, associated systems, and staffing to implement the requirements of the protocol by December 2020 represents a major strategic, political and operational challenge.”“