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A complicit media, constant attacks on the opposition, an army of russian trolls, FPTP, and a prime minister fleeing from scrutiny and the media protecting him for doing so does not a democracy make.

 

When you are in a hole, you should stop digging...

 

 

Also those charts you shared are clearly wrong. They have Labour on 10% for young voters and Cons on 10% for the old lol. Brain fart - mixed up the colours with the ones in America nevermind.

 

Those were Doctor Blind's charts, not mine. :mellow:

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I think the Manifesto was great but it wasn't sold particularly well, especially the Green Industrial Revolution policy- a missed opportunity.

 

Anyway, the difference in voting preference by age was just as marked as in 2017- if anything becoming wider and furthering the divide between generations... like I say, it's surprising that housing didn't come up much in this election - you can bet that it will in 2024 because the number of renters will outstrip the number of households with a mortgage.

 

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It's really fascinating how dramatically different the graphs for 2017 and 2019 are to all the previous ones. Interested to see if it'll still be the same next election, to see if that's a permanent new trend or just what happens when Jeremy Corbyn becomes the leader of Labour. (I would guess a mixture of both as the 2015 result was starting to show signs of a more definite trend of older voters = more Tory, less Labour). May also have something to do with the collapse of the Lib Dems in 2015.

A complicit media, constant attacks on the opposition, an army of russian trolls, FPTP, and a prime minister fleeing from scrutiny and the media protecting him for doing so does not a democracy make.

 

Also those charts you shared are clearly wrong. They have Labour on 10% for young voters and Cons on 10% for the old lol. Brain fart - mixed up the colours with the ones in America nevermind.

 

Correct. Let's harness those things and take it back at the next election. Direct people to new trustworthy media sites like the Canary, Novara Media and the New Statesman, be a real opposition that calls out the Tories, create our own army of russian trolls, the socialist kind of course, force the electoral reform to make a fair review, and create our own slogan to appeal to everyone from Barnsley to Brighton.

 

We have 10 million voters and the age charts are on our side.

 

There is no hole. Oligarchs are gaming democracy. This is a fact.

 

And openly partying with each other immediately after the result.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/d...-for-peoples-pm

 

It's really fascinating how dramatically different the graphs for 2017 and 2019 are to all the previous ones. Interested to see if it'll still be the same next election, to see if that's a permanent new trend or just what happens when Jeremy Corbyn becomes the leader of Labour. (I would guess a mixture of both as the 2015 result was starting to show signs of a more definite trend of older voters = more Tory, less Labour). May also have something to do with the collapse of the Lib Dems in 2015.

 

As long as the new leader still holds to the traditions of Labour and isn't seen to be a career establishment politician, I think holding the young and continuing to do so in large numbers is very possible. And I think that is most of the leadership candidates, Starmer's possibly the one I was most worried about but his mission statement isn't showing a total break.

 

Johnson is quite possibly the Conservative leader who could most attract the young (appears 'silly', bit of a lad, other Conservative leaders would tend to appear grey or dull, and their policies certainly do no help for the young) and if they turned away from him so much in this election, what will they do when he's all they've ever known for 5 years and they know his game?

 

Now, I don't think enough of the old will... leave us... in 5 years for it to be acceptable for Labour to just hold. They need to move forwards and win back others, of course they do. But 2019 is the sort of campaign that good strategists will look at, analyse the true mistakes and find ways to fix them. Of course that needs to include getting a bit more influence over what's being discussed in public spaces and meeting the conversation on their own terms.

There is no hole. Oligarchs are gaming democracy. This is a fact.

 

Still not learned the difference between opinion and fact I see, Michael...

Still not learned the difference between opinion and fact I see, Michael...

 

Someone's (or a group of people's) actions are surely an undeniable fact, rather than an opinion? Seems you're the one who never learned the difference.

Someone's (or a group of people's) actions are surely an undeniable fact, rather than an opinion? Seems you're the one who never learned the difference.

 

Facts need proof - I have never seen convincing proof of Michael's allegations. :mellow:

IMO no marketing team could have sold that manifesto to the electorate in the current situation.

 

Over 40% voted for it just 2 years ago, Brexit clearly was what won this time.

Over 40% voted for it just 2 years ago, Brexit clearly was what won this time.

 

 

Yes but I think Labour would have got more seats with a different leader.

Just seen a most ridiculous thread on DS asking if Corbyn should get a knighthood. :rolleyes: No he shouldn't. He did nothing remarkable as a backbench MP for 32 years and failed as a party leader and Leader of HM Opposition. Can't see him ever getting nominated by No.10 due to his support of the IRA anyway. The poster says, yes, he vehemently called for the abolition of the Lords yet so did John Prescott who is now Lord Prescott.

 

 

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Just seen a most ridiculous thread on DS asking if Corbyn should get a knighthood. :rolleyes: No he shouldn't. He did nothing remarkable as a backbench MP for 32 years and failed as a party leader and Leader of HM Opposition. Can't see him ever getting nominated by No.10 due to his support of the IRA anyway. The poster says, yes, he vehemently called for the abolition of the Lords yet so did John Prescott who is now Lord Prescott.

 

He would t accept a knighthood imo.

 

Also you've said this before how did he support the IRA?

There was no ira support. Stop gaslighting.

 

But was there condemnation of their tactics from him? :unsure:

But was there condemnation of their tactics from him? :unsure:

 

 

Do you mean no condemnation Vid?

Why would he have to condemn them?

 

He was a backbench MP during much of their campaign.

Why would he have to condemn them?

 

Because many years later, not doing so could come back to bite you? :thinking:

 

Also, not condemning IRA violence, while calling for nukes to be scrapped, is an inconsistent position.

Because many years later, not doing so could come back to bite you? :thinking:

 

Also, not condemning IRA violence, while calling for nukes to be scrapped, is an inconsistent position.

 

He condemned bombing in Northern Ireland. Multiple times. Just, as you might expect from someone who is generally anti-war, he condemned all bombing.

 

Those statements aren't inconsistent though, Corbyn did support intervention where it was absolutely necessary and where military could make a good lasting impact on the world, so very limited interventionist. You can have that stance while still calling for extremely dangerous mankind-destroying weapons to be scrapped.

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