Not the media (apart from Decision Desk HQ) still being too cautious to call this. I assumed they were waiting for Biden to take the lead in Pennsylvania but even now they're still not doing it. Maybe when he gets out of recount margin there? :lol:

 

Trump gaining significantly below the pace he needs in the most recent updates from Arizona - at this point I'm pretty certain Biden is getting to 306 electoral votes, with a remote chance it could go even higher depending on how many votes there are left in North Carolina and the wildcard of Alaska.

 

I suspect they’re being so cautious in part because of the current occupant of the White House and how he might react if there are votes outstanding (even if they are mathematically unable or unlikely to make the difference)

Now Trumpism has failed electorally (yes Trump did get more votes than last time but managed to motivate through his divisiveness a massive increase in the Democrat electorate voting for Joe Biden). Hopefully the Republican party will return back to the way it was before Trump again with less controversial and more sensible Mitt Romney and John McCain-type Republicans running for president.

 

And hopefully Donald Trump will be be persuaded by his party to concede defeat officially soon, given that the possibility of changing the result through lawsuits is said to be very unlikely.

to tell you the truth the GOP left the door wide open for far-right lunatics to join their ranks and I don't think there's any going back to the bush-era GOP. I agree with those who say a post-trump realignment has occurred; the GOP has become a safe space for the openly far-right, the democrats are trying to pick up the disillusioned project Lincoln-type republicans while simultaneously trying to hold on to the "left". which leads me to believe there will be a schism in the Democratic Party one day, maybe soon, maybe not. if biden were to have a republican senate and constantly have to make concessions to the GOP, it'll destroy whatever remaining faith the left has in the party.

 

(that's not to say there'll be a third party come '24 but wilder things have happened! like trump winning)

to tell you the truth the GOP left the door wide open for far-right lunatics to join their ranks and I don't think there's any going back to the bush-era GOP. I agree with those who say a post-trump realignment has occurred; the GOP has become a safe space for the openly far-right, the democrats are trying to pick up the disillusioned project Lincoln-type republicans while simultaneously trying to hold on to the "left". which leads me to believe there will be a schism in the Democratic Party one day, maybe soon, maybe not. if biden were to have a republican senate and constantly have to make concessions to the GOP, it'll destroy whatever remaining faith the left has in the party.

 

(that's not to say there'll be a third party come '24 but wilder things have happened! like trump winning)

 

But surely it makes sense that even voters on the far right/alt right are still likely to (albeit reluctantly) vote for a centre-right Republican candidate in the next presidential election to stop the Democrats winning again.

Edited November 6, 20204 yr by Salty Melody

As I said earlier, even if he runs in 2024 I can't see him getting the Nomination. I think they'll go for Nikki Haley then. Pence won't get it either.

 

Why would the economy go tits up with a Biden presidency?

I just hope Arizona and Nevada come through so it's a relatively clear result despite how close it was in the swing states, because that gives the orange thing even less grounds to complain. It really shouldn't have been this close anyway, it's a bit of a hollow win and scary to think what could've happened had there not been a pandemic! :mellow:

 

Definitely a victory for democracy, diversity and stamping out hatred though. I'm under no impression Biden will be a particularly strong president, but they can at least attempt to fix the issues and lessen these deep divisions and get the country back on track in time for the next election. I'm hoping beyond hope the Republicans can take a more centred tact as well and distance themselves completely from Trump. His influence is still there and it's not hyperbole to say that a lot of the world's problems over the last four years can be started and ended with him at the helm, I'm just praying that he falls in relevance now.

 

I'm most pleased for Kamala Harris, been a long time coming for a female in that position but a great one <3

We were actually talking about this in our class today, and how it's eerily similar to that of the start of the 20th Century in Europe which led to the rise of the Nazis (right down to the Spanish flu!). Crazy how history can repeat itself so often.

 

Commonality here is unfettered capitalism

As I said earlier, even if he runs in 2024 I can't see him getting the Nomination. I think they'll go for Nikki Haley then. Pence won't get it either.

 

Yes I think they will choose a female candidate as Trump didn't do so well with female voters.

But surely it makes sense that even voters on the far right/alt right are still likely to (albeit reluctantly) vote for a centre-right Republican candidate in the next presidential election to stop the Democrats winning again.

right, and I’m not discounting a more “moderate” republican candidate next time around. but the past four years have shown that they have enough power and influence to take over the White House, and that influence won’t go away with trump. they’ve already sent candidates to state legislatures and even in congress. they make up a sizeable part of the GOP now, like it or not, and that’s enough to influence even moderate republicans who have no spine

Edited November 6, 20204 yr by dhwe

I see that Trump said the 2016 win of 306 was a landslide and was very very conclusive. Democrats lost big and got their ass kicked.

STOP THE COUNT

 

 

I’ve found the best tweet about the election

 

 

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not sure what the mail-in vote dem/rep split is in north carolina but if it's anything like Pennsylvania's, biden still has a shot at NC imo with 6% still left to count and 77k separating the two

 

No, NC is a done deal. The reason they haven't added any votes there is that they did sent like 120k absentee ballots to voters and those voters have time until next Thursday to send the ballots back. There is really no way Biden could close 77k gap with something like 120k votes and anyway there won't be nowhere near 120k votes to come in anyway, some of the people who got the ballots won't vote and also some of them most likely did go vote in person Tuesday and threw the absentee ballot away.

No, NC is a done deal. The reason they haven't added any votes there is that they did sent like 120k absentee ballots to voters and those voters have time until next Thursday to send the ballots back. There is really no way Biden could close 77k gap with something like 120k votes and anyway there won't be nowhere near 120k votes to come in anyway, some of the people who got the ballots won't vote and also some of them most likely did go vote in person Tuesday and threw the absentee ballot away.

 

To be clear it's not that people have until next Thursday to send the votes, it's that the votes have to be received by then (it's just allowing for late arriving mail ballots from people who left it very late to submit them / the postal service taking forever to deliver them, they still have to be postmarked 3rd November or earlier to be valid). And I believe people who got an absentee ballot but changed their minds and voted in person are not included in that 120k but an extra 40k of provisional ballots which will be counted after they check that the people who submitted them did not already vote via absentee / are definitely eligible to vote.

 

It is a very long shot as it'll require nearly all of those votes to be counted (likely the actual number that end up counting is much lower) and Biden to win them overwhelmingly. But it's not technically impossible.

Jessie Watters is back on air with Fox. “Trump has done 8yrs in the 4 with all the great work he’s done. The economy will be known as trumps economy for the next four years”

 

Needless to say he's a huge Trump fan.

To be clear it's not that people have until next Thursday to send the votes, it's that the votes have to be received by then (it's just allowing for late arriving mail ballots from people who left it very late to submit them / the postal service taking forever to deliver them, they still have to be postmarked 3rd November or earlier to be valid). And I believe people who got an absentee ballot but changed their minds and voted in person are not included in that 120k but an extra 40k of provisional ballots which will be counted after they check that the people who submitted them did not already vote via absentee / are definitely eligible to vote.

 

It is a very long shot as it'll require nearly all of those votes to be counted (likely the actual number that end up counting is much lower) and Biden to win them overwhelmingly. But it's not technically impossible.

 

Lol, yeah, I was supposed to write received by and not send by. Of course the votes need the Nov 3rd or earlier stamp. But since the number is gonna be well below 120k it should be a done deal. This has been interesting thread to read, even the posts that certainly don't make any sense in reality since it seems the posters stand by their opinions.

Trump's reported to be in a raging foul mood and demanding that his lawyers stop all counts right now. They don't have the legal powers to do that though. What I'd give to be a fly on the wall there now.

 

They say someone will have to try and talk some sense in to him, maybe Pence, Ivanka or his eldest son. What if he has a nervous breakdown? Suppose they bring in the 25th and Pence takes over.

Edited November 7, 20204 yr by Sixth Sense

His legal „case“ full of „evidence“ in Nevada was thrown out of the state courts for being full of shit. So they resubmitted it to the federal court in Nevada with a few minor edits but no changes to the core content. That was just thrown out of the federal court for being bullshit.

 

 

His ego is putting the fabric of American democracy on the line.

 

 

I did like Nicola Sturgeon throwing some serious shade earlier. The German government haven’t been shy about it either....

 

 

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Compare and contrast with the cold vomit trickling out the mouths of the UK Gov

Trump's reported to be in a raging foul mood and demanding that his lawyers stop all counts right now. They don't have the legal powers to do that though. What I'd give to be a fly on the wall there now.

 

They say someone will have to try and talk some sense in to him, maybe Pence, Ivanka or his eldest son. What if he has a nervous breakdown? Suppose they bring in the 25th and Pence takes over.

 

inject this into my veins *.*

 

I always hoped he'd have some dignity in defeat, but seeing him rage (hopefully impotently, with the amount the Republican base has been distancing from him, I can't see him doing much as a lame duck) is very gratifying.

 

On the popular vote, second-least close election since 2000. This is actually a landslide by any democratic sense of the word, and it's looking like a pretty good margin in the electoral college too. It just hasn't looked that way.

What a shame it would be if his cholesterol got the better of him.

Once again hoped I’d wake up to some NEWS, but the idea of Trump on the verge of a breakdown will do for now *.*

It has been suggested that none of the remaining states wants to be the one that puts Biden across the line. After all, Trump will still be president until January and there is no telling what he might do in that time.

 

My favourite Tweet suggested that we could see a question in the sequence round of the next series of Only Connect that ends with "4: POTUS throws a tantrum".

Haha I can only imagine what Victoria would have to say about THAT!