According to the Daily Mail Trump's been banned from the secret exclusive Past Presidents Club after a secret vote by all the living ex-Presidents, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama. It's an exclusive club where they all meet at various locations but particularly one unassuming upstairs flat in Washington, sometimes with spouses but mostly without, for short holidays, drinks, meals, game of cards, snooker, pool or darts or just generally to chat and reminisce. Carter hasn't traveeled to any recent meet-ups but they've all been to his house. Venues and dates are all top secret. Am sure Trump's not bothered. It's also thought no ex-President will attend his funeral either. :( Make him a pariah all they want but very recent polls, taken after Jan. 6th, show he still has huge support both in the Republican party and country. It's like they're trying to pretend he didn't exist. Well he did and does. You can't erase history folks. He has been a President after all and it would be disgusting if no living ex Presidents attended his funeral. :angry:

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According to the Daily Mail Trump's been banned from the Past Presidents Club after a secret vote by all the living ex-Presidents, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama. It's an exclusive club where they all meet, sometimes with spouses but mostly without, for short holidays, drinks, meals, game of cards or darts. Venues and dates are all top secret. Am sure Trump's not bothered. It's also thought no ex-President will attend his funeral either. Make him a pariah all they want but very recent polls, taken after Jan. 6th, show he still has huge support both in the Republican party and country. It's like they're trying to pretend he didn't exist. Well he did and does. You can't erase history folks.

 

No one is trying to pretend he doesn’t exist, they just want to piss him off whilst he’s still alive. He thrives on attention and that’s become a danger. I’m glad you’re pressed about all this.

No one is trying to pretend he doesn’t exist, they just want to piss him off whilst he’s still alive. He thrives on attention and that’s become a danger. I’m glad you’re pressed about all this.

 

 

I'm not and hope they would attend his funeral and respect the fact that he held the Office of President. He'd be eligible for a full State funeral in DC and the current President always usually attends. I believe he joked once at a dinner that he'd never be admitted to the secret past-presidents meetings. :D

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I'm not and hope they would attend his funeral and respect the fact that he held the Office of President. He'd be eligible for a full State funeral in DC and the current President always usually attends. I believe he joked once at a dinner that he'd never be admitted to the secret past-presidents meetings. :D

 

I don’t think they owe him any respect whatsoever. I’m also not sure why you care so much.

According to the Daily Mail Trump's been banned from the secret exclusive Past Presidents Club after a secret vote by all the living ex-Presidents, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama. It's an exclusive club where they all meet at various locations but particularly one unassuming upstairs flat in Washington, sometimes with spouses but mostly without, for short holidays, drinks, meals, game of cards, snooker, pool or darts or just generally to chat and reminisce. Carter hasn't traveeled to any recent meet-ups but they've all been to his house. Venues and dates are all top secret. Am sure Trump's not bothered. It's also thought no ex-President will attend his funeral either. :( Make him a pariah all they want but very recent polls, taken after Jan. 6th, show he still has huge support both in the Republican party and country. It's like they're trying to pretend he didn't exist. Well he did and does. You can't erase history folks. He has been a President after all and it would be disgusting if no living ex Presidents attended his funeral. :angry:

Huge support? The last poll I saw (this morning) gave him a 26% approval rating, the worst since Nixon.

I'm not and hope they would attend his funeral and respect the fact that he held the Office of President. He'd be eligible for a full State funeral in DC and the current President always usually attends. I believe he joked once at a dinner that he'd never be admitted to the secret past-presidents meetings. :D

The outgoing president always attends his successor's inauguration. Until Wednesday. Trump should be shown the respect he deserves - bearing in mind that he incited an insurrection and an attempt to overturn an election result with violence. He may bhave avoided invading another country to topple the regime while he was in office. Unfortunately, he encouraged an effective invasion of his own country instead.

The outgoing president always attends his successor's inauguration. Until Wednesday. T

 

 

Wrong. The successor twice in the 1880's didn't attend.

Wrong. The successor twice in the 1880's didn't attend.

 

Get you using facts for a change :lol:

According to the Daily Mail Trump's been banned from the secret exclusive Past Presidents Club after a secret vote by all the living ex-Presidents, Carter, Clinton, Bush and Obama. It's an exclusive club where they all meet at various locations but particularly one unassuming upstairs flat in Washington, sometimes with spouses but mostly without, for short holidays, drinks, meals, game of cards, snooker, pool or darts or just generally to chat and reminisce. Carter hasn't traveeled to any recent meet-ups but they've all been to his house. Venues and dates are all top secret. Am sure Trump's not bothered. It's also thought no ex-President will attend his funeral either. :( Make him a pariah all they want but very recent polls, taken after Jan. 6th, show he still has huge support both in the Republican party and country. It's like they're trying to pretend he didn't exist. Well he did and does. You can't erase history folks. He has been a President after all and it would be disgusting if no living ex Presidents attended his funeral. :angry:

Have to laugh at shit like this

The outgoing president always attends his successor's inauguration. Until Wednesday. Trump should be shown the respect he deserves - bearing in mind that he incited an insurrection and an attempt to overturn an election result with violence. He may bhave avoided invading another country to topple the regime while he was in office. Unfortunately, he encouraged an effective invasion of his own country instead.

 

 

The question of whether he did actually incite the riots is actually dividing US lawyers. If you read a full factual transcript of his speech he did ask for peaceful protest in one paragraph. In others it was borderline whether it was incitement. He asked them to march to the Capitol but nowhere does he tell them to attack it. Before you all jump on me, it's being debated amongst the top lawyers and barristers in the US at present. They're very best legal experts in America. They say it would be better decided by a jury.- rather than the US senate as it's not a nice thing to hang over him for the rest of his life as 5 people died.

 

There was a good BBC article based on what these lawyers think. Will try and link to it if I can find it. These are lawyers who have examined every word he said ant just Trump haterz on an internet forum.

 

Hope you're reading this Michael. Do you know better than the very best lawyers? If he did incite them and it's proved legally then condemn them then I'll condemn him as any right-minded human being would do.

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Get you using facts for a change :lol:

 

 

I'm actually quite a learned man and know lots of stuff besides charts. Admittedly not as much as our friend Suedey though despite being a month or so older. :D

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The outgoing president always attends his successor's inauguration. Until Wednesday. Trump should be shown the respect he deserves - bearing in mind that he incited an insurrection and an attempt to overturn an election result with violence. He may bhave avoided invading another country to topple the regime while he was in office. Unfortunately, he encouraged an effective invasion of his own country instead.

 

 

I fully agree. As I said to Trump in the letter I sent to him this week, he should be attending Biden's inauguration on Wednesday. Would have shown him as a real man and enhance his reputation for 2024. The better man accepts defeat and moves on, determined to win next time. I believe that's a quote.

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The question of whether he did actually incite the riots is actually dividing US lawyers. If you read a full factual transcript of his speech he did ask for peaceful protest in one paragraph. In others it was borderline whether it was incitement. He asked them to march to the Capitol but nowhere does he tell them to attack it. Before you all jump on me, it's being debated amongst the top lawyers and barristers in the US at present. They're very best legal experts in America. They say it would be better decided by a jury.- rather than the US senate as it's not a nice thing to hang over him for the rest of his life as 5 people died.

 

There was a good BBC article based on what these lawyers think. Will try and link to it if I can find it. These are lawyers who have examined every word he said ant just Trump haterz on an internet forum.

 

Hope you're reading this Michael. Do you know better than the very best lawyers? If he did condemn them then fair enough I'll condemn him as any righjt-minded human being would do.

 

If a mafia boss tells his hired goons: ‘I want you to “take care” of him’ and the goons then go on to murder that person, did the mafia boss incite that murder despite not explicitly asking the goons to do so?

If a mafia boss tells his hired goons: ‘I want you to “take care” of him’ and the goons murder that person. Did the mafia boss incite that murder despite not explicitly saying so?

 

 

As I say Dr,. I'm not a lawyer and no offence but don't believe you are. This is a fierce debate at present amongst the very top barristers in the US. If they can't agree I doubt we can and they've examined transcripts from the TV stations of every word of his speech that afternoon. You see one or two paragraph's do suggest incitement but then he tells them to be peaceful. Do you take individual paragraphs or sentences separately or the article as a whole? Only a jury they say can decide as it's very very difficult. I wish he'd take the case to court as this will hang over him forever. Let's have a definitive verdict one way or another.

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I'm actually quite a learned man and know lots of stuff besides charts. Admittedly not as much as our friend Suedey though despite being a month or so older. :D

Nine months or so.

If a mafia boss tells his hired goons: ‘I want you to “take care” of him’ and the goons then go on to murder that person, did the mafia boss incite that murder despite not explicitly asking the goons to do so?

 

 

Take care of him may mean take him out to an expensive lunch though. I'd argue the wording. Hey I should be a lawyer.

Nine months or so.

 

 

Okay, great. :D Have you had a letter like me that you retire at 66? :o

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The question of whether he did actually incite the riots is actually dividing US lawyers. If you read a full factual transcript of his speech he did ask for peaceful protest in one paragraph. In others it was borderline whether it was incitement. He asked them to march to the Capitol but nowhere does he tell them to attack it. Before you all jump on me, it's being debated amongst the top lawyers and barristers in the US at present. They're very best legal experts in America. They say it would be better decided by a jury.- rather than the US senate as it's not a nice thing to hang over him for the rest of his life as 5 people died.

 

There was a good BBC article based on what these lawyers think. Will try and link to it if I can find it. These are lawyers who have examined every word he said ant just Trump haterz on an internet forum.

 

Hope you're reading this Michael. Do you know better than the very best lawyers? If he did incite them and it's proved legally then condemn them then I'll condemn him as any right-minded human being would do.

 

Are you having a laugh? :lol: I don't take these posts seriously, so I won't bother replying to their sulking chaos x

 

Well, regardless of what YOU think - he has been impeached for incitement of an insurrection. He won't be convicted because of the supermajority required in Congress.

 

The 14th Amendment would preclude him from running in 2024 anyway...

 

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

Are you having a laugh? :lol: I don't take these posts seriously, so I won't bother replying to their sulking chaos x

 

 

Have you even read a transcript of the full 85 minute speech? I doubt many people have. They've seen selected clips on TV. Go read it and get back to me.