The text of the agreement has yet to be released, but UK PM Boris Johnson claims it is a "good deal for the whole of Europe".

 

"We have taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and our fishing waters," the UK government says.

 

That sounds good enough for me and am heaving a huge sigh of relief now with a glass of wine. No deal has been avoided. If Boris is pleased then so am I and the guy deserves a great Christmas.

 

What more could we have wanted. I think things like roaming charges, whilst not good for travellers, are minor details really. We couldn't expect everything.

Edited December 24, 20204 yr by CHRIS-TMAS

As expected this is an utterly shite deal but better than no deal

 

 

 

It's quite a good one actually. Care to tell us why it's so bad? Remainers would have said ANY deal was bad as they don't want us to leave at all. :rolleyes:

We could have expected more by just remaining in the EU. Name one thing we’ve actually gained.

We could have expected more by just remaining in the EU. Name one thing we’ve actually gained.

 

 

Could have, might have, all maybes but we're leaving and sounds like we have a good deal.

Could have, might have, all maybes but we're leaving and sounds like we have a good deal.

 

Explain your statement.

Explain your statement.

 

 

Well it's no good looking back on what would have been good about staying in when we're leaving is it? If being a member of the EU was so good, as Remainers keep telling me, here, other forums, real life, including my sister, then as I told her, why did 17.4 million want to leave? The EU really should ask themselves that question before any other country votes to leave.

Well it's no good looking back on what would have been good about staying in when we're leaving is it? If being a member of the EU was so good, as Remainers keep telling me, here, other forums, real life, including my sister, then as I told her, why did 17.4 million want to leave? The EU really should ask themselves that question before any other country votes to leave.

 

No one cared before the MASSIVE PROPAGANDA campaign started thanks to Farage and his billionaire elite backers. This astroturf movement won't last long. Sorry. Your old people brexshit is a disaster.

No one cared before the MASSIVE PROPAGANDA started thsnks to Farage and his billionaire elite backers. This astroturf mlvement won't last long. Sorry. Your old people brexshit is a disaster.

 

 

You can't say something that hasn't even started yet is a disaster Michael. :rolleyes:

Well it's no good looking back on what would have been good about staying in when we're leaving is it? If being a member of the EU was so good, as Remainers keep telling me, here, other forums, real life, including my sister, then as I told her, why did 17.4 million want to leave? The EU really should ask themselves that question before any other country votes to leave.

 

I want you to explain why this deal is better than what we already had. You said it sounds like a good deal. Explain why it sounds like a good deal.

It's a good deal because the alternative was fuking disasterous. We were never going to get a better deal than the one we had before, the deal now only suits the hedge funders who have made loads off the stockmarkets and those who think we now have control of our sovreignity.

 

Chris is part of the ilk who will never admit they were wrong. The only good point is, the current leadership were not daft enough to walk away with no deal and we don't seem to have completely severed ties with the EU which is something at least.

I want you to explain why this deal is better than what we already had. You said it sounds like a good deal. Explain why it sounds like a good deal.

 

 

We haven't had full details yet.

You can't say something that hasn't even started yet is a disaster Michael. :rolleyes:

 

But it HAS started. You are just too oblivious and brainwashed to see it.

It's a good deal because the alternative was fuking disasterous. We were never going to get a better deal than the one we had before, the deal now only suits the hedge funders who have made loads off the stockmarkets and those who think we now have control of our sovreignity.

 

Chris is part of the ilk who will never admit they were wrong. The only good point is, the current leadership were not daft enough to walk away with no deal and we don't seem to have completely severed ties with the EU which is something at least.

 

Of course it’s better than the alternative. But for me, that just makes it less bad, not good.

 

We haven't had full details yet.

 

Then don’t say it’s good when you have nothing to back it up. At least all of the remainers you were complaining about can say that leaving the single market and losing freedom of movement are bad things.

 

But it HAS startes. You are just too oblivious and brainwashed to see it.

 

 

January 1st my friend.

Part of me thinks that perhaps because of the Covid economic impact economic impact the EU has given the UK too much of a good deal though and it might encourage other countries like Hungary to consider leaving (although Hungary has of course a smaller economy than the UK and might struggle to get a deal like the UK did if they left).

Main points from The Guardian.

 

Tariff-free and quota-free access to one of the world’s biggest markets is the backbone of the Brexit deal and goes beyond the EU’s deals with Canada or Japan.

 

Trade

There will be mutual recognition of trusted trader programmes. This means UK producers will have to comply with both UK and EU standards.

 

Professional qualifications

There will be no more automatic recognition for doctors, nurses, architects, dentists, pharmacists, vets, engineers. They will now have to seek recognition in the member state they wish to practise in.

 

Mobility – freedom of movement

UK nationals no longer have the freedom to work, study, start a business or live in the EU. Visas will be required for stays over 90 days. Coordination of some social security benefits such as old-age pensions and healthcare will make it easier to work abroad and not lose any pre-existing build up of contributions to national insurance.

 

Fisheries

The UK will leave the common fisheries policy.

 

The annual turnover of EU fishing vessels from British waters is around €650m – compared with €850m for the UK-flagged fleet. New quotas reducing the EU’s share by 25% are due to be phased in over five and a half years. A quarter of the EU’s catch by value – €162.5m a year – will be “repatriated” to UK-flagged vessels by the end of that period. After that, the two sides will hold annual negotiations.

 

The EU vessels that fish six to 12 nautical miles from the British coastline will be able to continue during the transition, but access will be negotiated on an annual basis after that. There is a three-month notice for closing access. Should access be denied to either side, the other may seek compensation or apply tariffs in a proportionate way.

 

State aid

The EU had insisted the UK align with its state aid rules. Brussels was concerned that the UK government would seek to find a competitive advantage through subsidies. The UK successfully killed off this idea. The UK will set up its own subsidy regime. The new domestic enforcement body can make decisions over whether state aid has distorted trade after the subsidy has been granted. This is a major concession by the EU.

 

However, the UK will have to ensure that its subsidy regime respects key principles set out in the treaty. The deal also allows both parties to adopt remedial measures if there is evidence that the domestic enforcement body has failed to uphold the shared principles.

 

Standards or level playing field

Both sides have agreed on a minimum level of environmental, social and labour standards below which neither must go.

 

Ursula von der Leyen said there would be a review after four years to ensure the level playing field was working.

 

One of the biggest sticking points in the talks was the EU’s insistence on an “evolution clause”, or “equivalence mechanism”, as Downing Street termed it.

 

This would have allowed the EU to unilaterally apply tariffs on UK goods in the event of standards diverging over time. If one side upgraded their rulebook, the other would have to follow, or face consequences.

 

In the end, compromise was reached. It bears a closer resemblance to the UK objective than that of Brussels. The British government had merely wanted a reflection point in the future where the two sides could discuss upgrading the basic minimum below which neither could go.

Edited December 24, 20204 yr by CHRIS-TMAS

January 1st my friend.

 

You CLEARLY have no dealings with the EU, my troll.

If Boris is pleased then so am I and the guy deserves a great Christmas.

Yeah let's wish the elite a great Christmas (which they automatically will have because restrictions don't actually apply to any of them) while the plebs have to suffer. You're absolutely unbearable with your fangirling.

It'll be interesting to see what is found in the deal when it's fully dissected. From a glance, it's good that we'll keep alignment and a close relationship with the EU. I'm interested to see what is mentioned in regards to science if anything.

 

It's better than a no deal, but it'll be a big step down from the deal we originally had as part of the EU. In other words: we will unlikely see any benefits from it.

Edited December 24, 20204 yr by Envoirment

January 1st my friend.

Please explain what I will be able to do next month that I can't do now. Writing 2021 sa part of the date doesn't count.