Posted November 22, 200618 yr on teletext today there was an article about all saints new flop album and the rumours that they have been already dropped due to this failure. on the next page up the zutons were moaning that the quick drop mentality of record companies is hazzardous to creativity and music as it doesnt give time for bands to develop. so is the quick drop mentality of record companies a good one?? should acts be dropped in an instant the first or second record seems to be failing or is it needed to stop money being wasted? is business more important than creativity?? also this is the take that singles discography: they are on course to get their first number one in ten years a run of consectutive number ones that runs back to 1994!!!! however if they were starting out now. how many records would they be allowed to put out with these positions before being dropped??? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Take-That-Beautiful-World.jpg Singles (Year Title Chart positions Album) 1991 "Do What U Like" 82 — — Take That and Party 1991 "Promises" 39 — — Take That and Party 1992 "Once You've Tasted Love" 47 — — Take That and Party 1992 "It Only Takes A Minute" 7 — — Take That and Party 1992 "I Found Heaven" 15 — — Take That and Party 1992 "A Million Love Songs" 7 — — Take That and Party 1992 "Could It Be Magic" 3 — — Take That and Party 1993 "Why Can't I Wake Up With You" 2 — — Everything Changes 1993 "Pray" 1 — — Everything Changes 1993 "Relight My Fire" 1 — — Everything Changes 1993 "Babe" 1 — — Everything Changes 1994 "Everything Changes" 1 — — Everything Changes 1994 "Love Ain't Here Anymore" 3 — — Everything Changes 1994 "Sure" 1 — — Nobody Else 1995 "Back For Good" 1 — — Nobody Else 1995 "Never Forget" 1 — — Nobody Else 1996 "How Deep Is Your Love" 1 — — Take That: Greatest Hits 2006 "Patience" 1 — — Beautiful World 2007 "Reach Out" TBR TBR TBR Beautiful World
November 22, 200618 yr Is this true...? :o Pretty shocking if it is.... I dont really like AS, but to drop them in a matter of weeks seems to bring a whole new meaning to the phrase 'indecent haste'... How is any new pop act supposed to survive or flourish in that sort of atmosphere....? I'm now more convinced than ever that artists of whatever hue or genre need to just forget about record companies and go 100% internet for marketing, selling and distribution of their music....
November 22, 200618 yr Author Is this true...? :o Pretty shocking if it is.... I dont really like AS, but to drop them in a matter of weeks seems to bring a whole new meaning to the phrase 'indecent haste'... dont know but that what current rumours are. however might depend on 2nd single in jan and if that flops then they are for the chop. worse than american tv. then again album got 1 star in sunday times so no wonder.
November 22, 200618 yr All Saints got into this with the worst intentions - to make money with complete tat - greed. I mean, who the **** is going to take them seriously as reggae artists? A second album deal would have depended on the album going top 10, or at least a stab in the 20. Since it flopped they don't get another - record company greed. Personally I wish it had gone in lower and for the single to have gone in at 39. I really can't stand the way they're trading off their own faddy career of nearly 10 years ago.
November 23, 200618 yr so is the quick drop mentality of record companies a good one?? should acts be dropped in an instant the first or second record seems to be failing or is it needed to stop money being wasted? is business more important than creativity?? I feel brave by answering this post because I am sure that the Gareth and Razorlight haters will have some comment to make but I just wanted to air my view (not very well usually) but here goes..... I feel that by dropping a group/artist, it is telling 'the people' that somebody new and exiciting is about to take their place......who then get dropped .....only to be replaced by someone new and exciting to take their place.....who then get dropped. It is an ongoing situation. Perhaps if the record industry bosses stayed loyal and nurtured the word 'flop' and 'drop' would dissappear. The public want instant success and the record bosses are trying to supply it ,but don't seem to have the faith in their artists to suffer the peaks and troughs. Life isn't all about success it is about nurturing and developing. Just feel sorry for the new up and coming bands/artists. They have a real fight on their hands. Steps off soapbox :blush: :blush:
November 24, 200618 yr Author All Saints got into this with the worst intentions - to make money with complete tat - greed. I mean, who the **** is going to take them seriously as reggae artists? reggae artists??? does reggae any more now that sean paul won the best pop/rock cat last night at the american music awards :lol: so you got any studio 1 stuff your self?
November 25, 200618 yr Well if all pop acts were dropped after a flop album or single then Rachel Stevens should of been dropped after the Funky Dory single as it failed to make the top 20 and sepnt 2 weeks in the chart. But she wasn't then the next two went top 3. I know it is more important for an album to do well but how well did All Saints first two albums actualy do?
November 25, 200618 yr i think in general pop acts are dropped to quick they arent given a chance,they should work more closely and try and fix what is going wrong rather than dropping them aloy of pop acts get dropped sign up with a new record comapny and become huge
November 25, 200618 yr All Saints to be dropped. :o I know the album sold poorly but the single did alright and I think the next couple of releases might do some good for the album.
November 25, 200618 yr Well singles sales are'nt important to record company's, there are only designed to get the album sales higher and clearly that did'nt happen in the All Saints case but I doubt they will be dropped yet. ^_^
November 25, 200618 yr Well singles sales are'nt important to record company's, there are only designed to get the album sales higher and clearly that did'nt happen in the All Saints case but I doubt they will be dropped yet. ^_^ Well I hope not. ^_^ Chic Fit needs to be released first. :lol: Thats one of the best pop tracks i've heard in ages. B)
November 26, 200618 yr ?? I feel brave by answering this post because I am sure that the Gareth and Razorlight haters will have some comment to make but I just wanted to air my view (not very well usually) but here goes..... I feel that by dropping a group/artist, it is telling 'the people' that somebody new and exiciting is about to take their place......who then get dropped .....only to be replaced by someone new and exciting to take their place.....who then get dropped. It is an ongoing situation. Perhaps if the record industry bosses stayed loyal and nurtured the word 'flop' and 'drop' would dissappear. The public want instant success and the record bosses are trying to supply it ,but don't seem to have the faith in their artists to suffer the peaks and troughs. Life isn't all about success it is about nurturing and developing. Just feel sorry for the new up and coming bands/artists. They have a real fight on their hands. Steps off soapbox :blush: :blush: I generally agree with that.. But an even worse situation is when a record label is bought out by a parent company and then that parent company starts pruning the rosters... As what happened when Sony bought out BMG..... <_< Music For Nations (a Metal imprint label..), which was one of BMG's subsidiaries, was also bought by Sony and a wholesale cull of acts followed... A LOT of really good bands all of a sudden found themselves without a contract.... Really fukkin' c/untish.....
November 26, 200618 yr Well Parlophone have issued an OFFICIAL statement saying that the rumours about them being dropped is completely false, and they have a new single out in Jan/Feb which IS Chick Fit, and the tour is being finalised.
November 26, 200618 yr Well Parlophone have issued an OFFICIAL statement saying that the rumours about them being dropped is completely false, and they have a new single out in Jan/Feb which IS Chick Fit, and the tour is being finalised. Yes! for 'Chick Fit'. I'm loving that so much right now, and I'm glad All Saints weren't dropped before given the chance to release it. The album is actually good, I hope it picks up with the next single. :(
November 26, 200618 yr Author I generally agree with that.. But an even worse situation is when a record label is bought out by a parent company and then that parent company starts pruning the rosters... As what happened when Sony bought out BMG..... <_< Music For Nations (a Metal imprint label..), which was one of BMG's subsidiaries, was also bought by Sony and a wholesale cull of acts followed... A LOT of really good bands all of a sudden found themselves without a contract.... Really fukkin' c/untish..... this also happens if you get Beyonce's dad in to run your urban division. well good bye Rough Trade hello major label corporate rock whore!!!!
November 27, 200618 yr i don't think all saints will be dropped just yet but they are on the edge no question! the album tanking so hard is definately panicing their record company, crucially their first single went top10 so they have the potential to sell so it comes down to the all important second single, it has to do the business and get high top10 and boost the album if it misses and the album doesn't go top20 then it is all over for them
December 1, 200618 yr I generally agree with that.. But an even worse situation is when a record label is bought out by a parent company and then that parent company starts pruning the rosters... As what happened when Sony bought out BMG..... Music For Nations (a Metal imprint label..), which was one of BMG's subsidiaries, was also bought by Sony and a wholesale cull of acts followed... A LOT of really good bands all of a sudden found themselves without a contract.... And I suppose this can only get worse. The bigger the label, the more money to invest in their artists, the more money they make, to then buy up smaller labels :(
December 1, 200618 yr It's not a good state of affairs. Money is invested upfront and if it doens;t llok like th money is coming back then why invest upfront again. Long term I think the solution is for low investment upfront. Distribution of both records and promotion via the internet. Still there is quite a transition from todays market to a sales lead internet market, although it's beginning to get there slowly.
December 1, 200618 yr All Saints have stated that regardless of the albums success there WILL be a Tour and there WILL be a follow up to Studio 1. I do hope that's true, but at the moment i'm doubtful.
December 1, 200618 yr Long term I think the solution is for low investment upfront Either that or a largely reduced investment upfront. There has to be a new incentive to sign new artists, not just resigning the tried and tested.
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