I just linked the video in my previous post.

 

Yes and it shows an idiot wheeling a bike towards a horse, not throwing it through the air at a horse.

 

Some people are idiots - don't really see what this has to do with the debate in this thread - I see you are seeking to discredit the whole BLM movement and protests on the basis of a very small minority of protestors.

Yes and it shows an idiot wheeling a bike towards a horse, not throwing it through the air at a horse.

 

Some people are idiots - don't really see what this has to do with the debate in this thread - I see you are seeking to discredit the whole BLM movement and protests on the basis of a very small minority of protestors.

 

What’s the difference between throwing and aggressively wheeling over to hit the horse it still hit it and that was still the intention.

 

The streets are chaos tonight in London. I support peaceful protesting not this behaviour that also may lead to mass deaths from coronavirus and end up with us back in lockdown.

I just linked the video in my previous post.

Barbaric for a civilian to wheel a bike into a horse but absolutely irresponsible in the first place for the police to use one of the most antsy animal species and charge at protesters with them in a situation like that.

 

I assure you that it wasn't wheeling a bike that made a horse dangerously bolt into a crowd.

 

It's insane that London police have had a week to witness the consequences of provoking peaceful protests in the US and thought 'let's try that here but with added animal cruelty'.

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What’s the difference between throwing and aggressively wheeling over to hit the horse it still hit it and that was still the intention.

 

The streets are chaos tonight in London. I support peaceful protesting not this behaviour that also may lead to mass deaths from coronavirus and end up with us back in lockdown.

I don't agree with what that person did at all but the police invited the chaos by using horses and charging at people suddenly!

London police only have to look to Manchester and Belfast to see that protests can quite easily remain peaceful when there's no provocation.

What’s the difference between throwing and aggressively wheeling over to hit the horse it still hit it and that was still the intention.

 

The streets are chaos tonight in London. I support peaceful protesting not this behaviour that also may lead to mass deaths from coronavirus and end up with us back in lockdown.

 

Well not much, both are the actions of an idiot. However through using hyperbole I see the true intentions of yourself and others, desperately trying to distract from and discredit what is largely a peaceful and powerful movement built on justifiable rage about the injustices and deep and widening divisions that exist today in both our society and in the US.

Ah yes. Let’s call protestors protesting against police brutality of black people “animals”. That’s a hot look in this time.

 

 

Flush this racist fool

London police only have to look to Manchester and Belfast to see that protests can quite easily remain peaceful when there's no provocation.

Plenty of examples out there to show that really the protestors are peaceful until the police turn on them and start abusing the protestors.

 

Ironically this just further underlines the need for reform and abolition of the police

Agreed that the policing has probably aggrevated the situation in London - as you say plenty of examples (e.g. Birmingham) elsewhere in the UK with much less police presence where the protests passed peacefully.

Plenty of examples out there to show that really the protestors are peaceful until the police turn on them and start abusing the protestors.

 

Ironically this just further underlines the need for reform and abolition of the police

 

Or how do you know the “protestors” weren’t abusing the police? Look none of us were there so none of us know what happened. There’s many videos on twitter that point the police and “protestors” in negative light. The majority of the protests were peaceful and well policed. I still think it was negligent to organise them in a pandemic. Don’t know how this one incident is the cause for reform and abolition of the police in the U.K, little bit hyperbole.

 

My own personal view point judging by by what I have seen is quite a few people “protesting” today were actually more concerned about protesting about the police in general rather BLM and these were likely the people that stirred trouble to be incited. Just my own view point from what I’ve seen, could be wrong.

Or how do you know the “protestors” weren’t abusing the police? Look none of us were there so none of us know what happened. There’s many videos on twitter that point the police and “protestors” in negative light. The majority of the protests were peaceful and well policed. I still think it was negligent to organise them in a pandemic. Don’t know how this one incident is the cause for reform and abolition of the police in the U.K, little bit hyperbole.

 

My own personal view point judging by by what I have seen is quite a few people “protesting” today were actually more concerned about protesting about the police in general rather BLM and these were likely the people that stirred trouble to be incited. Just my own view point from what I’ve seen, could be wrong.

 

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy sometimes with these things. The police plan for points of tension by bringing in a slightly more aggressive approach, which then probably ends up creating more tension and sudden eruptions of violence. Obviously you can't countenance for a protest rapidly descending into violence/rioting which is why the whole thing is so difficult to judge and balance - generally I think the police here in the UK do a good and vital job but they aren't free of criticism, there are certain aspects from time to time: the shaming from publication of drone footage of a couple walking their dog in the PEak District, and standing close together on Westminster Bridge to clap for carers from recent months alone.. (let alone the systemic racism that exists in some parts of the force) but like with the protests, I won't judge on the basis of a very small minority of people.

See we have this incredible thing these days called video cameras. Most folk even have them built into their personal mobile telephone devices. What they do with those is show us peaceful protests that are suddenly stampeded by violent thugs masquerading as police. For example, the clearing of the peaceful protest in DC so trump could do a photo op. The police brutalised journalists and peaceful protestors with zero provocation.

 

 

You need to stop smelling the boot polish and actually take a critical look at what is happening. Police in the us are filled with violent far right thugs and have a fraternal system that protects the bad. The system needs abolished and re-established from the ground up. It’s not just the US. The UK police have huge issues. The German police has huge neonazi issues. The military isn’t immune either.

 

As for abolition being Hyperbole. It’s not. You need to understand what that actually means. This thread is a great guide to educate yourself on the protestors goal of abolition.

 

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Ah yes. Let’s call protestors protesting against police brutality of black people “animals”. That’s a hot look in this time.

Flush this racist fool

 

Ah you again attacking me and accusing me of being racist without knowing my skin colour, family origins or family members.

 

This was not a peaceful protest, I live in central London and was out earlier and I can tell you that some of the slurs being shouted at the police were not peaceful and they are still on Westminster Bridge now screaming at the police.

 

You really should evaluate your words before calling people racist so freely you are a vulgar human being.

Ah you again attacking me and accusing me of being racist without knowing my skin colour, family origins or family members.

 

This was not a peaceful protest, I live in central London and was out earlier and I can tell you that some of the slurs being shouted at the police were not peaceful and they are still on Westminster Bridge now screaming at the police.

 

You really should evaluate your words before calling people racist so freely you are a vulgar human being.

 

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I also live in central London and I guess my eyes fooled me — no violence, just people walking past. A small minority does not discredit an entire movement.

 

Time and time again this happens — protests are peaceful, police escalate the situation with brute force, and the protesters react to it. We have had countless videos from the past week proving this.

 

 

I think the police shouldn't be there at all. These protests are much more likely to take place without any incidents if the protestors are not given anyone to direct their anger towards. They would also be more likely to disperse after a few hours.

Edited June 6, 20205 yr by King Rollo

This whole attitude of 'omg but the social distancing!!1!', 'we're in the middle of a pandemic what a silly time to organise protests!!1!', etc is really quite sickening. Dress it up all you want, but it screams of thinking black lives don't matter until the timing is convenient.

 

Do you expect people to just sit around and do nothing, wait for change that's 100% less likely to happen without making their voices heard, see even more innocent black lives lost at the hands of brutal police scum... all because you might end up in lockdown for another few weeks?

See we have this incredible thing these days called video cameras. Most folk even have them built into their personal mobile telephone devices. What they do with those is show us peaceful protests that are suddenly stampeded by violent thugs masquerading as police. For example, the clearing of the peaceful protest in DC so trump could do a photo op. The police brutalised journalists and peaceful protestors with zero provocation.

You need to stop smelling the boot polish and actually take a critical look at what is happening. Police in the us are filled with violent far right thugs and have a fraternal system that protects the bad. The system needs abolished and re-established from the ground up. It’s not just the US. The UK police have huge issues. The German police has huge neonazi issues. The military isn’t immune either.

 

As for abolition being Hyperbole. It’s not. You need to understand what that actually means. This thread is a great guide to educate yourself on the protestors goal of abolition.

 

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Maybe this is where the text on a screen doesn't come in handy- I thought you were talking about the UK police rather than police as a whole. My view is that policing in the UK and that the US are very different, mainly that we are not armed with lethal weapons as a routine event. Doctor Blind pretty much sum up my viewpoint. The police aren't perfect but they also police thousands of mass events throughout the year, numerous sporting events etc. and there is often minimal trouble. There is something still a problem, but each individual country has their own problems on different scales.

 

This whole attitude of 'omg but the social distancing!!1!', 'we're in the middle of a pandemic what a silly time to organise protests!!1!', etc is really quite sickening. Dress it up all you want, but it screams of thinking black lives don't matter until the timing is convenient.

 

Do you expect people to just sit around and do nothing, wait for change that's 100% less likely to happen without making their voices heard, see even more innocent black lives lost at the hands of brutal police scum... all because you might end up in lockdown for another few weeks?

 

There's so much wrong with this post, but I don't want to be a massive arsehole. So I'll just leave it with I disagree a lot of what you say.

 

When you want to win a battle and change a tide sometimes you have to be a bit more strategic.

 

This whole attitude of 'omg but the social distancing!!1!', 'we're in the middle of a pandemic what a silly time to organise protests!!1!', etc is really quite sickening. Dress it up all you want, but it screams of thinking black lives don't matter until the timing is convenient.

I've agreed with everything you've said in the thread/about BLM but I don't with this. Worrying about the lack of social distancing/the protests not helping the spread of the virus locally (I'm not against the protests AT ALL btw) doesn't mean you're not behind the movement in even a remote way. Unless of course people are masking their contempt for BLM under worrying about covid spread which is deffo happening

I've agreed with everything you've said in the thread/about BLM but I don't with this. Worrying about the lack of social distancing/the protests not helping the spread of the virus locally (I'm not against the protests AT ALL btw) doesn't mean you're not behind the movement in even a remote way. Unless of course people are masking their contempt for BLM under worrying about covid spread which is deffo happening

I'm not at all saying that nobody should be concerned about the impact protests without social distancing will have on Coronavirus spreading at a more rapid rate, but the loudest voices from that side of the argument are appearing wholly elitist, and from those ready to use it as a weapon against the movement. If you're going to acknowledge that contempt for Black Lives Matter masked under these kind of views is definitely happening, then it starts to invalidate your argument.

I'm not at all saying that nobody should be concerned about the impact protests without social distancing will have on Coronavirus spreading at a more rapid rate, but the loudest voices from that side of the argument are appearing wholly elitist, and from those ready to use it as a weapon against the movement. If you're going to acknowledge that contempt for Black Lives Matter masked under these kind of views is definitely happening, then it starts to invalidate your argument.

 

I don't think that's the case at all on the whole. I just find it wholly irresponsible people. People can try and dress it up as a commendable act, but there is a large ground of people who didn't all swarm to the beach and didn't protest because they knew it was irresponsible to do. Even countries which have re-opened their borders and had low outbreaks are not having mass gatherings over 100 people. It's pretty naive to think there won't be a coronavirus spread when you have 20,000 people+ all in close promimity.

 

We're in the midst of a worldwise pandemic which has crippled the Western economy for years to come. People can protest all they want but what are the Powers going to focus on first - the pandemic. There are loads of powerful things you can still do from home to make a protest. The sooner we are out of this the sooner we can get make to living our lives and trying to make the world a better place.