That’s a choice.

I genuinely thought he was more at fault too so I'm not totally surprised. I wouldn't personally have penalised either though.

 

 

On the race result, great to see a McLaren 1-2 :wub: Ideally I'd have liked it the other way round but Daniel deserved it, trust Norris to pick this race to be worse than him!

great race for McLaren, Norris probably hated the outcome but Ricciardo deserved it

great result yes ric!

 

Hamilton defo in the wrong there tho. he left absolutely no room for max. and max is the one penalised? bullshit

Thrilled for Daniel - he just puts a grin on your face and will definitely go down as one of the best people pleasers in the sport

 

Hopefully it won’t be long until Lando also takes a step on the top step of the podium

 

I would have put the Hamilton / Verstappen crash down as a racing incident. I do not think the penalty is fair and I hope Verstappen undoes it with his speed

 

Gutted for Vettels race - he was pushed off more than one and then got screwed over by the safety car

 

It hasn't been said yet but definitely needs pointing out - Bottas was very impressive all weekend

It hasn't been said yet but definitely needs pointing out - Bottas was very impressive all weekend

 

He was. Definitely showing what he is capable of

Absolutely delighted for Ricciardo, hoping he can kick on a bit more now, certainly been closer between the two of them since the break.

 

I think with Max and Lewis the penalty does seem harsh but whenever they've come together or come close to this season, Lewis has ran wide or taken escape routes (Spain, Imola, Italy L1) to avoid contact whereas Max never does and they crash. That's not to say he's always been at fault, but their two big incidents could easily have been avoided if he'd played a little more safe, if Hamilton had driven like Max when they'd got close there would have been more than two crashes.

I think both are guilty and I'd give both a 0/10 for the race

 

Bottas did well but again cos of the car, when it was time to pass other cars he struggled or couldn't as per usual

Absolutely delighted for Ricciardo, hoping he can kick on a bit more now, certainly been closer between the two of them since the break.

 

I think with Max and Lewis the penalty does seem harsh but whenever they've come together or come close to this season, Lewis has ran wide or taken escape routes (Spain, Imola, Italy L1) to avoid contact whereas Max never does and they crash. That's not to say he's always been at fault, but their two big incidents could easily have been avoided if he'd played a little more safe, if Hamilton had driven like Max when they'd got close there would have been more than two crashes.

 

Exactly this^ Max needs to learn when to bail out of moves. The incident was a carbon copy of lap 1 turn 4 with the roles reversed except Lewis bailed out to avoid the contact whereas Max just steamed in knowing full well there wasn't going to be any space. Context is key also, he had blood running through his veins thanks to the botched pit stop and to me, that was a speculative move at best. There's no way if it was the other way round Max would have left any room so definite double standards there. Also he bitched about lack of sportsmanship after the Silverstone crash (despite Lewis actually asking if Max was ok then) but here he just trudged off without checking on Lewis at all.

 

In fairness I think again it probably should just go down as a racing incident. I said at Silverstone that Lewis was the one who could have done more to avoid the contact but this time it was definitely Max who could have done more to avoid it. Can we just appreciate how unbelievable the halo is though :clap: :clap: :clap:

Absolutely delighted for Ricciardo, hoping he can kick on a bit more now, certainly been closer between the two of them since the break.

 

I think with Max and Lewis the penalty does seem harsh but whenever they've come together or come close to this season, Lewis has ran wide or taken escape routes (Spain, Imola, Italy L1) to avoid contact whereas Max never does and they crash. That's not to say he's always been at fault, but their two big incidents could easily have been avoided if he'd played a little more safe, if Hamilton had driven like Max when they'd got close there would have been more than two crashes.

This is very similar to how I feel about the whole thing. Max is a great driver but he very rarely gives an inch (and that's partly why he does so well) - I think Lewis was far enough ahead in this instance that Max would have been sensible to back out of it. I don't really get the viewpoint that the car in front should have to take a worse line just to ensure the car behind has a better chance?

Aside from that and don't get me wrong, these crashes are making this title fight and season in general immortal, I am over the moon for McLaren to win again. I'm sure they'd have had a 1-2 even without the Lewis vs Max crash. So delighted for Ricciardo after the season he's had, loved his "I never left" comment too.

 

Not at all surprised to see Bottas have by far his best race of the season. Massive weight off his shoulders now so he's driving with zero pressure. Guarantee if everything was still not settled he'd have been trapped in the midfield somewhere like the 2020 race. Still great for Mercedes though as their rear-gunner is massively outperforming Perez right now.

 

And this was understandably completely overshadowed but the Haas driver saga is getting even spicier now with their drivers coming together! I think there's gonna be a big crash between them at some point this season.

Regarding the details of the big incident you can see that they collided because Lewis refused to allow Max the space he could have done - compare his line on the first lap when Lando passes him to the one he took with Max. Having said that, I think the stewards argument that Max made his move too late in to the corner is a fair point. For that reason I wouldn't particularly argue the Max is predominantly to blame as long as the stewards are consistent.

 

If it's the case that moves like this are no longer acceptable rather than a racing incident than so be it but I feel it's a bit of a shame. Verstappen's an old school racer and his driving style is the closest I have seen to Senna (albeit with less raw pace) and I can't help but be reminded of the 'if you see a gap...' line here.

 

Also with regard to suggestions of Max not checking to see if Lewis was ok, I think it was pretty clear he was fine given that he was trying to reverse the car using controlled bursts of throttle as Max was exiting his. Max would have been well aware that Lewis was fine. Max does slow his pace briefly as he passes Lewis but it would have been dangerous to approach the car with Lewis still attempt to escape the Red Bull above him. That said a public statement of 'glad he's ok wouldn't have hurt'

Bottas did well but again cos of the car, when it was time to pass other cars he struggled or couldn't as per usual

 

Bottas outperformed his very capable teammate on both Friday and Saturday and then on Sunday, on a circuit known for being very difficult to overtake, he passed half the field on track and only faltered when his tyres went away towards the end. No matter how good the Merc is in a straight line it's not fast enough to easily pass a Merc or Honda powered car at Monza, especially with the car in front getting a slipstream too. Lewis struggled to pass Lando for half the race remember even with better tyres.

 

He was arguably driver of the day

Edited September 13, 20213 yr by Severin

I have many questions about the attempt to reverse an obviously completely f***ed car out from under another one while the driver is trying to get out. Just imagine he got free and the car dropped suddenly while max was still climbing out. That’s a 700kg bit of kit falling in an uncontrolled manner. That’s a life changing or potentially ending injury.

 

How can that not even be noted.

Yeah, Bottas definitely had a strong weekend. He won the sprint race, would have been on pole if it were not for the change and then made up loads of places in the race itself. I don't think he could have been reasonably expected to do much more.

I have many questions about the attempt to reverse an obviously completely f***ed car out from under another one while the driver is trying to get out. Just imagine he got free and the car dropped suddenly while max was still climbing out. That’s a 700kg bit of kit falling in an uncontrolled manner. That’s a life changing or potentially ending injury.

 

How can that not even be noted.

 

 

Agreed. I'm pretty sure Lewis couldn't see Max exiting the car and I'm willing to allow for some disorientation but this should be both noted, reprimanded and banned from happening again.

 

In another scenario imagine if there was a spinal or neck injury involved and the car underneath was able to pull out dropping the other car suddenly

I don’t know if there are any rules around that scenario or not but agreed it is definitely worth thinking about if not

Yes this incident has certainly brought up a fair few valid points around such a topic. I also note the part the sausage kerbs played, 99 times out of 100 in this situation the 2 cars would merely rub together but the fact one bounced into the air at low speed was pretty alarming. I get these high kerbs are to be a deterrent for drivers just running wide but this unique accident certainly raises some questions.

 

Having watched another replay though the "bounce" was primarily due to the rear tyres coming together rather than the kerbs so I guess it's not really on the circuit. The closest incident I can remember to this was one at Monaco I want to say about 10 years ago with Trulli & another backmarker...

 

Edit: found it

 

 

This was even more terrifying tbh! And pre-halo days...

Edited September 13, 20213 yr by Dobbo.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure Lewis couldn't see Max exiting the car and I'm willing to allow for some disorientation but this should be both noted, reprimanded and banned from happening again.

 

In another scenario imagine if there was a spinal or neck injury involved and the car underneath was able to pull out dropping the other car suddenly

Yeah willing to give benefit of the doubt that he couldn’t see max climbing out (although he should have expected that is what would happen that’s not my point) but for it not to be noted at all concerns me deeply. While the action failed, that the action was attempted at all and the potential consequences of that should have been noted for clarification in my opinion

 

 

God, a sudden drop with a spinal injury is a paralysing or deadly move. 😬😬