Posted December 10, 200618 yr ABOUT BLOODY TIME thatcher of course paid tribute to this fascist dictator who was responsable for thousands of citizens dissappearance.
December 10, 200618 yr amazing he lived so long,with all those deaths of his fellow countrymen on his conscience <_< I wonder if he will get a state funeral,probably
December 10, 200618 yr I don´t think people in his country will care about this. Usually when former dictators in latin america die they receive just a small note on the journals. I don´t think it´s right to rave about somebody´s death but nobody has much reasons to feel sorry or remember people like him.
December 10, 200618 yr I don´t think people in his country will care about this. Usually when former dictators in latin america die they receive just a small note on the journals. I don´t think it´s right to rave about somebody´s death but nobody has much reasons to feel sorry or remember people like him. I think it'll receive quite a bit of coverage, it's main header story on BBC, something that only happens with really major news, so I don't think the media will ignore this.
December 10, 200618 yr He had a bit of a dubious home affairs policy but as far as I am concerned Pinochet was a good man and I am a bit saddened by his death, he was invaluable support for Britain during the Falklands conflict providing airbases for refuelling, military intelligence on the Argentine troops and much more help than that, without Pinochet we would not have won the conflict without losing thousands of soldiers so he has been a great servant to Britain It is hypocritical for us to judge Pinochet when Blair has killed thousands more Iraqis in Shock And Awe (20,000 Iraqis to around 3000 Chileans killed by Pinochet) Like Ariel Sharon Pinochet is a patriot and a great friend and help to Britain even if he had a dark side RIP Edited December 10, 200618 yr by Kimi Raikkonen
December 10, 200618 yr On hearing this news it reminds me of these two songs: The Fletcher Memorial Home by Pink Floyd (1983) (Roger Waters) Take all your overgrown infants away somewhere And build them a home, a little place of their own. The Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Kings. And they can appear to themselves every day On closed circuit T.V. To make sure they're still real. It's the only connection they feel. "Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome, Reagan and Haig, Mr. Begin and friend, Mrs. Thatcher, and Paisly, "Hello Maggie!" Mr. Brezhnev and party. "Scusi dov'è il bar?" The ghost of McCarthy, The memories of Nixon. "Who's the bald chap?" "Good-bye!" And now, adding colour, a group of anonymous latin- American meat packing glitterati. Did they expect us to treat them with any respect? They can polish their medals and sharpen their Smiles, and amuse themselves playing games for awhile. Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead. Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye With their favorite toys They'll be good girls and boys In the Fletcher Memorial Home for colonial Wasters of life and limb. Is everyone in? Are you having a nice time? Now the final solution can be applied. But of more relevance: They Dance Alone by Sting (1988) Why are these women here dancing on their own? Why is there this sadness in their eyes? Why are the soldiers here Their faces fixed like stone? I can't see what it is they despise They're dancing with the missing They're dancing with the dead They dance with the invisible ones Their anguish is unsaid They're dancing with their fathers They're dancing with their sons They're dancing with their husbands They dance alone They dance alone It's the only form of protest they're allowed I've seen their silent faces scream so loud If they were to speak these words they'd go missing too Another woman on the torture table what else can they do They're dancing with the missing They're dancing with the dead They dance with the invisible ones Their anguish is unsaid They're dancing with their fathers They're dancing with their sons They're dancing with their husbands They dance alone They dance alone One day we'll dance on their graves One day we'll sing our freedom One day we'll laugh in our joy And we'll dance One day we'll dance on their graves One day we'll sing our freedom One day we'll laugh in our joy And we'll dance Ellas danzan con los desaparecidos Ellas danzan con los muertos Ellas danzan con amores invisibles Ellas danzan con silenciosa angistia Danzan con sus padres Danzan con sus hijos Danzan con sus esposos Ellas danzan solas Danzan solas Hey Mr. Pinochet You've sown a bitter crop It's foreign money that supports you One day the money's going to stop No wages for your torturers No budget for your guns Can you think of your own mother Dancin' with her invisible son They're dancing with the missing They're dancing with the dead They dance with the invisible ones Their anguish is unsaid They're dancing with their fathers They're dancing with their sons They're dancing with their husbands They dance alone They dance alone
December 10, 200618 yr Author He had a bit of a dubious home affairs policy but as far as I am concerned Pinochet was a good man and I am a bit saddened by his death, he was invaluable support for Britain during the Falklands conflict providing airbases for refuelling, military intelligence on the Argentine troops and much more help than that, without Pinochet we would not have won the conflict without losing thousands of soldiers so he has been a great servant to Britain It is hypocritical for us to judge Pinochet when Blair has killed thousands more Iraqis in Shock And Awe (20,000 Iraqis to around 3000 Chileans killed by Pinochet) Like Ariel Sharon Pinochet is a patriot and a great friend and help to Britain even if he had a dark side RIP well its true that he gave us more support then 'our special buddies' the yanks gave us, but then maybe we shouldnt have fought the falklands war anyway!... lets face it, the malvinas are bloody argentinian, not british!
December 10, 200618 yr He had a bit of a dubious home affairs policy but as far as I am concerned Pinochet was a good man and I am a bit saddened by his death, he was invaluable support for Britain during the Falklands conflict providing airbases for refuelling, military intelligence on the Argentine troops and much more help than that, without Pinochet we would not have won the conflict without losing thousands of soldiers so he has been a great servant to Britain It is hypocritical for us to judge Pinochet when Blair has killed thousands more Iraqis in Shock And Awe (20,000 Iraqis to around 3000 Chileans killed by Pinochet) Like Ariel Sharon Pinochet is a patriot and a great friend and help to Britain even if he had a dark side RIP I agree that Blair has killed thousands more, but a 'good man' would be able to tolerate their opposition and wouldn't kill them all, at least Blair hasn't attempted to make the majority of Conservatives in this country go 'missing', and Pinochet had his own agenda with the Falklands seeing as Argentina and Chile were on the verge of war at the time anyway. France were much greater allies to Britain during the conflict seeing as they advised Britain on how to counteract and disable the Argentine missiles and planes that France had sold to Argentina, although that may be more to do with the fact that Thatcher threatened to nuke Argentina if France didn't provide the information. Pinochet only did that as Britain and Chile had a common enemy in Argentina. We would have won the war anyway with the French help, Chile's help was just a bonus, we can hardly make him out to be a noble person seeing as he had his own interests in stopping Argentina.
December 10, 200618 yr well its true that he gave us more support then 'our special buddies' the yanks gave us, but then maybe we shouldnt have fought the falklands war anyway!... lets face it, the malvinas are bloody argentinian, not british! I was not personally in favour of the conflict but fully supported our soldiers and airmen once they were deployed to the region and while there should not have been a conflict in the first place without Pinochet the death total of British military would have very likely been many times worse than it ended up as and for that I am grateful to General Pinochet
December 10, 200618 yr well its true that he gave us more support then 'our special buddies' the yanks gave us, but then maybe we shouldnt have fought the falklands war anyway!... lets face it, the malvinas are bloody argentinian, not british! They may belong to Argentina but the citizens of the Falklands have made it clear they wish to be ruled by the British, so it would have just been betrayal to let them just take it when the islanders wished to be British - this was made clear through the deliberate disobeyal of rules set down by the Argentines in the Falklands - they continued to drive on the left side of the road in defiance when the Argentinians forced them to drive on the right etc. The Americans didn't provide much in the way of support, but then again our supporters were a bit dubious, with Mitterand only helping after Thatcher threatened to nuke Argentina's second largest city and Pinochet only helping because he saw a chance to get one over his long time enemy in Argentina.
December 10, 200618 yr Author ... anyway blair wouldnt have gone alone into iraq, he was merely toadying up to bush. pinochet had teachers, politicians, scientists, doctors... anyone who could have challenged him dissappear.... hardly a reasonable comparison.
December 10, 200618 yr I was not personally in favour of the conflict but fully supported our soldiers and airmen once they were deployed to the region and while there should not have been a conflict in the first place without Pinochet the death total of British military would have very likely been many times worse than it ended up as and for that I am grateful to General Pinochet I reckon the amount of forces we would have lost are roughly equal to the amount that Pinochet killed in his home country tbh <_<
December 10, 200618 yr Author I was not personally in favour of the conflict but fully supported our soldiers and airmen once they were deployed to the region and while there should not have been a conflict in the first place without Pinochet the death total of British military would have very likely been many times worse than it ended up as and for that I am grateful to General Pinochet thats a rather tenuous reason m8... the bloke was evil.
December 10, 200618 yr I reckon the amount of forces we would have lost are roughly equal to the amount that Pinochet killed in his home country tbh <_< This is going to sound a bit cruel I guess but I place the value of a British life far more highly than I do the majority of other lives and certainly way more than the life of an Argentine or a Chilean, if a plane crashes with say 400 Nigerians on board our reaction is "poor buggers" then we get on with munching our burgers or whatever but if a plane crashes with 40 Brits on board its a national tragedy and we are glued to our tv screens, is human nature so I am far more bothered about the British lives that Pinochet saved than the Chilean lives he took
December 10, 200618 yr Riddance Good Rubbish To Bad Connect the dots. :cheer: In response to your message Craig, I think this just goes to show how selfish and ignorant most Brits are :( A death is a death, it really shouldn't matter what part of the world the person who dies comes from tbh :(
December 10, 200618 yr :cheer: In response to your message Craig, I think this just goes to show how selfish and ignorant most Brits are :( A death is a death, it really shouldn't matter what part of the world the person who dies comes from tbh :( I was just being a realist, you gotta admit I have a point ? what would capture your attention and shock you more ? 400 Nigerians dying in a plane crash or 40 Brits dying in a plane crash ? while both are tragedies I would imagine most British people would be more saddened by the 40 Brits dying than the 400 Nigerians
December 10, 200618 yr I was just being a realist, you gotta admit I have a point ? what would capture your attention and shock you more ? 400 Nigerians dying in a plane crash or 40 Brits dying in a plane crash ? while both are tragedies I would imagine most British people would be more saddened by the 40 Brits dying than the 400 Nigerians I realise your point, I knew what you were saying was true, but I was just saying that it is a sad reflection on our society in that people value a death more depending on what land, classified as belonging to a country, someone was born in when they could have just as easily been another nationality - example, if someone was born in Northern Ireland, the news could be reported differently, how would someone know whether one of the people who died in a hypothetical plane crash wished to be known as Irish or British? Both claim the land, and it's a sad reflection that whether a country owns an area or not can lead to people not taking their death seriously.
December 10, 200618 yr This is going to sound a bit cruel I guess but I place the value of a British life far more highly than I do the majority of other lives and certainly way more than the life of an Argentine or a Chilean, if a plane crashes with say 400 Nigerians on board our reaction is "poor buggers" then we get on with munching our burgers or whatever but if a plane crashes with 40 Brits on board its a national tragedy and we are glued to our tv screens, is human nature so I am far more bothered about the British lives that Pinochet saved than the Chilean lives he took Very self-centred attitude to take Craig.... But unfortunately you're just typical of most of this country... Seems far more shocking to us that a few dozen people get blown up on July 7th 2005 and we dont seem to give a sh!t about the 20-odd thousand WE bloody murdered in Iraq and the continuing chaos and civil war which is of OUR making.... <_< <_< I dont see any commemorations or politicians hand-wringing for the "Shock and Awe" massacre we and the Yanks committed on the Iraqi people..... Picochet was an evil, murdering b/astard, may he rot in hell and may Thatcher and Jack Straw rot in hell for helping him escape justice.... <_< I dont give a fukk about the Falklands (and trying to imply he was a 'good man' just because he helped Thatcher win a war and win a second term in office is pretty fukked up Craig..), the islanders could easily have just left and come back to Britain....
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