Was gonna say that - is it a new start or papering over the cracks. Another top 4 finish would be a success for ETH imo. But as ever they have the players and resources to be challenging for the title.

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McTominay is like our Origi, not gonna make any best XIs but a true cult hero who saves us time and time again.

Yeh he’s a good player!

A great night for two much maligned players. Well done to both

RIP Bobby Charlton.One of the greatest legends of the club.

This is the most apathetic I think I've ever been after any defeat lol.

This is the most apathetic I think I've ever been after any defeat lol.

 

I think most Utd fans expected it. Ten Haag looks a bit lost at the moment, I think people will point to the defensive injuries but I didn't actually feel they defended that badly. The lack of options and creativity up front is where Utd are hurting. Anthoy has to be up there with one of the worst signings over the last 5 years and Mount looks really lost. I thought the Mount sustitution was baffling - I know how Ten Haag wants Utd to play.. but I think they're 3-4 transfer windows away from being able to play that way.

How long until Ten Haag gets sacked? Utd look toothless, not sure how they're going to hit any form anytime soon.

What would sacking him actually achieve though, who's out there that would suddenly start winning us games.

What would sacking him actually achieve though, who's out there that would suddenly start winning us games.

 

Well it is rinse and repeat, but looks very much to me like he's lost the dressing room?

Hmm I wouldn't say that just yet, we have a few bad eggs in there no doubt but I just think the players are all so devoid of any confidence and no one is stepping up.

 

FWIW I think he has enough credit in the bank from last season and we have a kinder run of fixtures now but it could get to the Solksjaer point of no return. If that happens I guess we've got Darren Fletcher to look forward to, yay :nocheer:

Or Ciaran McKenna!

Nothing changes by changing the squad or the manager. Nothing will change until the Glazers sell the club. Because the rot starts at the top. You can tinker with the squad and the manager all you want but when everything else is entirely rotted away, it’ll always just be a matter of a couple of years before the rot takes over the new manager and then the Glazer PR machine whips the fanbase into thinking that the problem is the manager and the next cycle begins.

Nothing changes by changing the squad or the manager. Nothing will change until the Glazers sell the club. Because the rot starts at the top. You can tinker with the squad and the manager all you want but when everything else is entirely rotted away, it’ll always just be a matter of a couple of years before the rot takes over the new manager and then the Glazer PR machine whips the fanbase into thinking that the problem is the manager and the next cycle begins.

 

Not saying the Glazers aren’t a problem but in the summer people had Utd down to challenge for the title. You spend money every summer, you just spend it poorly. Now you can argue the Glazers should be looking to put a proper football structure in place as well. The problems at the moment are related to Ten Haag though, has he actually signed a decent player? He looks like a man who’s lost the lot and the dressing room. Don’t think the Greenwood, Sancho and Antony incidents have helped.

 

There’s two winnable games on paper next, which Utd should be winning so will be interesting to see how the team reacts. It’s clearly lacking massively in confidence at the moment.

Did I say anything about money? No. Don’t put words in my mouth

 

The problem is not financial backing in the window, it’s the glazers interference and refusal to actually authorise approaches for the players the manager and scouts identify, instead only authorising who they want and then panic buying at the end of a window and overpaying for people like 9th on the list. They hoard money and refuse to invest in the facilities and ground, they refuse to put a proper sporting structure in place and ultimately only care about their dividends

 

Pick a problem and you’ll find the Glazers continued existence as the root cause. While they still own the club, we will be stuck in this rut. Only a full sale or the death of the most interfering duo will save the club

Did I say anything about money? No. Don’t put words in my mouth

 

The problem is not financial backing in the window, it’s the glazers interference and refusal to actually authorise approaches for the players the manager and scouts identify, instead only authorising who they want and then panic buying at the end of a window and overpaying for people like 9th on the list. They hoard money and refuse to invest in the facilities and ground, they refuse to put a proper sporting structure in place and ultimately only care about their dividends

 

Pick a problem and you’ll find the Glazers continued existence as the root cause. While they still own the club, we will be stuck in this rut. Only a full sale or the death of the most interfering duo will save the club

 

I’m not sure I agree with that though? Ten Haag clearly wanted Mount, Hojlund and Onana this summer and he got all of them? Don’t think there was a deal to be done for Kane. Now you can say Ten Haag is a problem in that he wields too much influence in the transfer structure, he’s a good coach but his signings so far have been mostly poor. I’m not sure any of them really are Glazer signings. Ok they messed about for a midfielder last minute, but there’s only a finite amount of spending.

 

Not saying the Glazers aren’t a huge problem, but I’m not sure the handling of the Greenwood, Sancho and Antony issues is their doing.

Yeh the glazers are clearly an issue but I think United fans like to fall back on them as an excuse for just not being very good at the moment.

What’s next for this club… Honestly I don’t recall a darker period in United’s recent history and that says a lot considering some of the past managers who’ve been given the job since 2013.

 

Ten years later and what a dismal feeling it is to be a Manchester United fan. Is there any light at the end of the tunnel?

Of course there's light at the end of the tunnel, there's always light at the of the tunnel in football unless if you're going out of business. This is just our time to have struggles but it won't be like this for the rest of eternity. All it takes is a winning run of matches then the narrative will change, football has always been like that. Just hope that we bounce back against Luton in the Premier League on Saturday.

Just hope that we bounce back against Luton in the Premier League on Saturday.

Now that really would be the story of the season for United to lose that game against the newly promoted side like Luton (no disrespect to Luton fans) and if it were to happen it would surely be the nail in the coffin for Ten Hag. I’d say it is still very unlikely to happen at this stage, but there have always been shockers in football, and United are often involved and on the wrong end of them. Either way, one victory against a team we should easily beat won’t do much to appease the majority of fans.