Nope. He's fash. Don't tolerate fash. He destroyed this country with brexshit. It eill be very very hard to recober from that.

There's many ways to not tolerate him than throwing stuff at him.

It's amusing in theory as it would be pieing a pantomime villain, but let's be honest, if it were a Lib Dem/Green MP and the Tories were laughing about it, the reaction would be pretty different on here. It just ultimately doesn't solve anything and gives him yet more ammunition to spout more of his bullshit about how 'they're all out to get me' and more front pages in the tabloids, given they would give attention to him opening an envelope.

 

Y'know what would really be funny? His face if/when he loses x

Its trash actions from trash people. Should be a year in jail for that kind of thing to deter it

This Labour party 'ive always voted tory' advert really just confirms to those of us who previously felt at home with Labour that we've been abandoned by the party under Starmer.

It's amusing in theory as it would be pieing a pantomime villain, but let's be honest, if it were a Lib Dem/Green MP and the Tories were laughing about it, the reaction would be pretty different on here. It just ultimately doesn't solve anything and gives him yet more ammunition to spout more of his bullshit about how 'they're all out to get me' and more front pages in the tabloids, given they would give attention to him opening an envelope.

 

Y'know what would really be funny? His face if/when he loses x

 

Not denying it would be funny but he's been defeated at the ballot box what? 8 times already - and yet he's possibly the most successful politician of the last few decades in getting his ideas implemented, despite being objectively an unpopular man. The media giving him outsized influence and credence is on them as much as it is him. I can't derive too much pleasure from him being defeated the proper way, he won.

 

I would not encourage anything like this to become part of our politics as much for its ineffectiveness as its risks, but it represents a strength of feeling that is felt against that kind of politician. Milk just doesn't register as violence to me, because it isn't really, the only lasting damage is a stained suit. It's quite different to the dangerous assaults on politicians that come from actual violently minded people.

Apologies for the quintuple post. Phone froze while I was replying.

This Labour party 'ive always voted tory' advert really just confirms to those of us who previously felt at home with Labour that we've been abandoned by the party under Starmer.

 

It's surely basic maths and worrying that I haven't seen this addressed by any of the Labour party leadership. 10 million people voted for Labour last time. That's not a small number. Labour are chasing the ~3-6 million voters they need to swing from the Conservatives or elsewhere by emphasing that The Labour Party Has Changed. It'd be quite understandable for those people who voted Labour last time to say 'if the Labour party has changed, do you still want my vote'?

It's surely basic maths and worrying that I haven't seen this addressed by any of the Labour party leadership. 10 million people voted for Labour last time. That's not a small number. Labour are chasing the ~3-6 million voters they need to swing from the Conservatives or elsewhere by emphasing that The Labour Party Has Changed. It'd be quite understandable for those people who voted Labour last time to say 'if the Labour party has changed, do you still want my vote'?

 

I think they're banking on the reality that most of us will vote for them out of a sense of loyalty or the fact they're better than the Tories.

 

The reality is most of us who feel that way live in safe seats anyway so might see a reduced turnout in safe seats. It just feels distasteful to be so brazenly chasing people who voted for the Conservatives after Cameron, May, Boris and only now think somethings wrong because the government is effecting them due to Truss's disastrous budget and the cost of living crisis. The worst excess of the Tory party were fine to these people until stuff they did directly affected them all through the Cameron years and the Brexit years. We really want to vote for a Labour party that's palatable to lifelong Tory voters? I don't.

Its trash actions from trash people. Should be a year in jail for that kind of thing to deter it

 

Yeah no. That's authoritarian nonsense.

I think they're banking on the reality that most of us will vote for them out of a sense of loyalty or the fact they're better than the Tories.

 

The reality is most of us who feel that way live in safe seats anyway so might see a reduced turnout in safe seats. It just feels distasteful to be so brazenly chasing people who voted for the Conservatives after Cameron, May, Boris and only now think somethings wrong because the government is effecting them due to Truss's disastrous budget and the cost of living crisis. The worst excess of the Tory party were fine to these people until stuff they did directly affected them all through the Cameron years and the Brexit years. We really want to vote for a Labour party that's palatable to lifelong Tory voters? I don't.

 

100%

 

A quick reminder that thlse voters, under Labour, COMPLAINRD and switched back to Tory because ... NHS waiting lists ... WERE TOO SHORT! And they eanted more time between an appointment and a consultarikn.

So, today lactose met intolerance

 

(Again)

Yeah no. That's authoritarian nonsense.

 

So what? You can't have such a thing continue to happen, wont be long before its acid.

So what? You can't have such a thing continue to happen, wont be long before its acid.

 

Slippery slope argument isn't valid. It's an egg. There have bern eggings in politics for yeaars.

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I saw that advert and wondered what reaction it would get. Have no real strong feelings on it but it kind of continues the theme of Starmer taking Labour votes for granted and targeting Tories which is a good strategy as this election is in the bag and its just about racking up the numbers. Could irk your base but lets be real, these people will still vote labout 9 times out of 10.

 

The parachuting in of certain candidates most of whom are from think tanks or have sketchy links is the most disappointing thing for me as you already know these are soulless individuals with no care on the world for the average person. That Luke guy should not be there given his previous statements and links to awful people.

 

Ultimately there is a huge pool of voters who traditionally were labour but went tories with Boris and there is no real political place for them given lib Dems probably have the wealthiest voters then tories traditionally posh and greens for a certain brand of well off hippy, so labour is advertising for their vote but bringing in all these think tankers shows its not actually going to be a party for these people at all.

 

Anyway looking forward to the debate despite the fact it'll probably be a dullfest

For Farage, all publicity is good publicity. That's why he went for the "I'm not standing" / "Actually, I am" nonsense. Two occasions when he makes the headlines. Today's story puts him up front again. If broadcasters, apply the impartiality rules properly, that should be the last we hear of the frog-faced fascist in this campaign.

Debate so far is being hindered by the moderator not letting anyone the chance to finish a sentence - particularly Starmer, who hasn't been able to parry Sunak's ridiculous lie of £2000 of tax.

 

otherwise he of course seems the more sane of the pair but f*** the media man

Bring on 4th July, honestly...

 

This government must surely be one of the most disastrous ever?

Wow terrible moderation the whole way. Some infantile questions “raise your hand if you're going to raise taxes” but Starmer was not good for a large chunk of it. Got better towards the end but he didn't handle the questions about what he'd do on various issues well. He was clearly over prepared on pointing out what the Tories did bad or Liz truss but was a bit lost on his own plans. Not a great look. Overall nobody cane out of it well especially not the moderator. Will be interesting if a company has one of those post debate snap polls

Wow terrible moderation the whole way. Some infantile questions “raise your hand if you're going to raise taxes” but Starmer was not good for a large chunk of it. Got better towards the end but he didn't handle the questions about what he'd do on various issues well. He was clearly over prepared on pointing out what the Tories did bad or Liz truss but was a bit lost on his own plans. Not a great look. Overall nobody cane out of it well especially not the moderator. Will be interesting if a company has one of those post debate snap polls

 

Didn't watch it because I can't stand Sunak, but it looks from online comments Starmer hasn't handled it well. He can really announce policies because of the way Labour's manifesto making process works - it's created by collaborative rather than policies made up by Tory spads. I reckon Starmer will do better on the second debate, after the manifesto has been published.

YouGov poll said Sunak won by 51/49. Didn't watch it myself but shows Starmer needs a bit of work getting his points across about why vote Labour.