I think it's very clearly the Labour leadership messing her about that's caused this, they could have finished all this process up months ago and gave her good concessions like letting her retire and promising an ideologically similar successor if they were willing to work with her for the good of Hackney, but they definitely have not done that.

 

Pretty clear they dont want her standing, pretty clear she never had any intention of relinquishing power. After that it's all posturing. She'll always manage to make herself the victim but she's suddenly whipped up a frenzy purely because she wants pressure so she can keep power even if it costs labour tons of support/votes this is clearly selfish given she's been there forever and her area is one of the worst in London by a mile. Her & Corbyn had power for decades and both are ancient and they can't let go. Let new people have a chance, it shouldn't be a lifetime role especially when you're a net loss for your party in terms of support and votes.

Luke Akehurst being parachuted into a safe seat says everything about this rendition of Labour and their views on racism. It's also truly laughable to suggest anything other than pure factionalism when Neil Coyle has been reselected.

this is why I'm becoming increasingly critical of people's sentiments of voting for labour simply 'because they're better than the tories' ... oh to be in such a privileged position where you convince yourself you're acting for the good of the common man by voting for a party that still actively condone a literal genocide

 

 

 

this is why I'm becoming increasingly critical of people's sentiments of voting for labour simply 'because they're better than the tories' ... oh to be in such a privileged position where you convince yourself you're acting for the good of the common man by voting for a party that still actively condone a literal genocide

 

It's also pretty privileged to expect people to use their vote inefficiently - for all the shit that the Labour Right are doing the party in power will improve outcomes for people far more than the Tories. That will positively affect people and people should vote for that if Labour is the most realistic progressive option where they live.

 

though I would draw the line if I lived in North Durham or some similar area where the Labour candidate was a ghoul.

Luke Akehurst being parachuted into a safe seat says everything about this rendition of Labour and their views on racism. It's also truly laughable to suggest anything other than pure factionalism when Neil Coyle has been reselected.

 

Exactly I would say Akehurst has been to Tel Aviv more than Durham!

Pretty clear they dont want her standing, pretty clear she never had any intention of relinquishing power. After that it's all posturing. She'll always manage to make herself the victim but she's suddenly whipped up a frenzy purely because she wants pressure so she can keep power even if it costs labour tons of support/votes this is clearly selfish given she's been there forever and her area is one of the worst in London by a mile. Her & Corbyn had power for decades and both are ancient and they can't let go. Let new people have a chance, it shouldn't be a lifetime role especially when you're a net loss for your party in terms of support and votes.

 

Your acting as if she’s some kind of dictator, she’s an elected mp for 40 years, she must be doing something right?

It's also pretty privileged to expect people to use their vote inefficiently - for all the shit that the Labour Right are doing the party in power will improve outcomes for people far more than the Tories. That will positively affect people and people should vote for that if Labour is the most realistic progressive option where they live.

 

though I would draw the line if I lived in North Durham or some similar area where the Labour candidate was a ghoul.

indeed, however it is a travesty that we must take it as a foregone conclusion that so many people are unwilling to do their research and realise how morally questionable the Labour Party is in 2024 + therefore it becomes necessary for some politically educated people to vote for labour as they’re the only realistic alternative to the Tories.

 

i long for the day Green becomes a feasible option in more areas than just Bristol and Brighton. my neighbourhood in Birmingham had Green second in the local election behind labour, but is mostly made up of reasonably well-educated young professionals/creatives. in so many working class areas across Britain political literacy is so poor - through no fault of their own, mind - that an alternative to red or blue seems an impossibility in the near future. it is saddening

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indeed, however it is a travesty that we must take it as a foregone conclusion that so many people are unwilling to do their research and realise how morally questionable the Labour Party is in 2024 + therefore it becomes necessary for some politically educated people to vote for labour as they’re the only realistic alternative to the Tories.

 

i long for the day Green becomes a feasible option in more areas than just Bristol and Brighton. my neighbourhood in Birmingham had Green second in the local election behind labour, but is mostly made up of reasonably well-educated young professionals/creatives. in so many working class areas across Britain political literacy is so poor - through no fault of their own, mind - that an alternative to red or blue seems an impossibility in the near future. it is saddening

 

Morally questionable Labour in 2024.. there’s plenty of morally questionable people in politics. You’ve got plenty of people in one wing of Labour who deny massacres in former Yugoslavia. Point is, politics is full of people with questionable views, you’ve just got to support the best of the bad bunch. The U.K. has been centrist for 80 odd years and the moment a party battles further to the right or the left they lose a lot of votes.

condone a literal genocide

 

 

Really poor choice of wording tbh. :wacko: :huh:

I have some massive issues with parts of the current Labour Party but unfortunately I’m resigned to voting for them anyway. I want them to be better but this election is all about getting the Tories out whatever it takes. We can deal with the issues in Labour once that is done. Unfortunately, any more years of Conservative government is not worth risking just because Labour aren’t as great as we’d like.

Really poor choice of wording tbh. :wacko: :huh:

how, there are a fair few current labour MP's that will condone Israel's current interventions in Gaza. and I would call the killing of >10,000 innocent families/children a genocide

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I have some massive issues with parts of the current Labour Party but unfortunately I’m resigned to voting for them anyway. I want them to be better but this election is all about getting the Tories out whatever it takes. We can deal with the issues in Labour once that is done. Unfortunately, any more years of Conservative government is not worth risking just because Labour aren’t as great as we’d like.

very true, I wish the circumstances were different but ultimately a Labour government will produce some degree of positive change in Britain, whether that's substantial or minor we shall have to wait and see (and hope!)

This could be a disaster for the Tories in my county.

 

https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/co...ent-9310553.amp

 

Last election they won 16 out of 17 seats.

and indeed it would be if our nation had not initially voted in a laughing stock ~5 years ago/voted Conservative in 2017... all of it is laughable, neither party are fit to run the country, both are complicit in a genocide to varying degrees. these are two men, neither of whom are in touch with the needs of British people + indeed the action necessary regarding various global conflicts

 

you may be too busy to laugh (whatever that means, I'm busy too but still have the time to acknowledge the sheer misery of this whole situation), but I cannot help but laugh in despair that we went from nearly voting in Corbyn six years ago to being stuck with Sunak or Starmer in 2024

 

From the greatest politivian and party since attlee to ... this :nocheer: greta british public strikes again!

I'm not sure we will get any good change but you have to have some punishment for being terrible so the Tories deserve to be wiped out and I don't really care who by as long as they get wiped out. Those Corbyn fanatics need to face reality they had power and two elections all they did was give Boris a super majority. They had their chance. Try it again with someone younger and fresher or with less baggage if you must but going on and on about Corbyn or his old clique us just redundant, they're old news. And if you want the truth he is a really miserable old man a family member has a club that goes through his office and he would be the most unnecessary rudest person you could be about it every single time. Don't let politics distort someones real image, he is a miserable bitter old man I promise you. Now Starmer I believe he lives on the next street from me and while I don't care for him by all accounts him and his family are pleasant people. I think this stuff matters, you have to be actually nice not I'm standing up for the oppressed so I'm great but bitter and cranky every other minute if the day

I'm not sure we will get any good change but you have to have some punishment for being terrible so the Tories deserve to be wiped out and I don't really care who by as long as they get wiped out. Those Corbyn fanatics need to face reality they had power and two elections all they did was give Boris a super majority. They had their chance. Try it again with someone younger and fresher or with less baggage if you must but going on and on about Corbyn or his old clique us just redundant, they're old news. And if you want the truth he is a really miserable old man a family member has a club that goes through his office and he would be the most unnecessary rudest person you could be about it every single time. Don't let politics distort someones real image, he is a miserable bitter old man I promise you. Now Starmer I believe he lives on the next street from me and while I don't care for him by all accounts him and his family are pleasant people. I think this stuff matters, you have to be actually nice not I'm standing up for the oppressed so I'm great but bitter and cranky every other minute if the day

 

WROOONG!!!

 

Sabotaged by the entire British neolib state plus party apparatus, as soon as they saw how popular he was in 2017. Thatw as our knly chance. It's not a REAL democracy you see.

My Labour MP (Florence Eshalomi) is absolutely excellent so for that reason I'll have no qualms voting Labour (whereas the previous constituency MP Kate Hoey, I couldn't see myself putting an X beside her name :puke2: )

 

In 2019 Labour won with a 19,000 majority in my constituency so we're pretty safe.

I'm not sure we will get any good change but you have to have some punishment for being terrible so the Tories deserve to be wiped out and I don't really care who by as long as they get wiped out. Those Corbyn fanatics need to face reality they had power and two elections all they did was give Boris a super majority. They had their chance. Try it again with someone younger and fresher or with less baggage if you must but going on and on about Corbyn or his old clique us just redundant, they're old news. And if you want the truth he is a really miserable old man a family member has a club that goes through his office and he would be the most unnecessary rudest person you could be about it every single time. Don't let politics distort someones real image, he is a miserable bitter old man I promise you. Now Starmer I believe he lives on the next street from me and while I don't care for him by all accounts him and his family are pleasant people. I think this stuff matters, you have to be actually nice not I'm standing up for the oppressed so I'm great but bitter and cranky every other minute if the day

 

Well, my family member interviewed both Corbyn and Johnson on their visits to Wales in Summer 2019 and told me Johnson was pretty idiotic and narcissistic and Corbyn was interested and knowledgeable about the local issues as well as being very friendly. Who on Earth should we believe?

 

Starmer doesn’t appear to be very nice at the moment. He should probably work on that.

Corbyn has always struck me as a genuine, honest and good-natured individual.

 

the phrase 'miserable bitter old man' seems a charged statement as opposed to a constructive one, anyway...

I mean, anyone could say "I have a family member that knows him"

 

This is why they say you shouldn't believe everything you read online :lol:

Corbyn has always struck me as a genuine, honest and good-natured individual.

 

the phrase 'miserable bitter old man' seems a charged statement as opposed to a constructive one, anyway...

 

100%

 

One is bitter evil and mendacious, a liar a conman a cheat, untalented, thick af and nasty nasty nasty. I have heard stories of him and he is never pleasant in any. One he made v bad comments about a person over and over again, in a posh schoolboy kind of wya. That's Blojo.

 

The other is a conpassionate gardener.