well, after it didnt go top 75 last week i was thinking it was gonna be about #40 or something so im glad its not that bad, hmm, hope it gets top 25, i dont think its gonna go any higher than #25 though,

Won´t they perform in the grammys? So unfair, even Pink will with her album being a total failure in USA. Just proves my point about labels and female pop singers.

Won´t they perform in the grammys? So unfair, even Pink will with her album being a total failure in USA. Just proves my point about labels and female pop singers.

 

Nothing wrong with P!nk. One of America's few artists who isn't some done up RNB $l*t.

Hm no wonder the album flopped :D

It also flopped really hard in the US. The Open Door is over, especially with a third single as terrible as ATILF.What a waste.

Edited January 14, 200718 yr by Filthy or Gorgeous

It also flopped really hard in the US. The Open Door is over, especially with a third single as terrible as ATILF.What a waste.

 

It´s too soon to say it flopped, when the previous single is still charting and having much airplay there...

It also flopped really hard in the US. The Open Door is over, especially with a third single as terrible as ATILF.What a waste.

 

"All That I'm Living For" is a terrible song...?? I cant even count the number of ways you are totally wrong in that assessment... ATILF is a damn sight better songwriting than the rather weak "Call Me When You're Sober", or indeed about 80% of "Fallen"....

 

Not surprised that Open Door hasn't done well in the US though, anything that's a bit more leftfield than cheesy R&B sh!t or Kelly fukkin' Clarkson doesn't seem to do too well over that side of the pond..... -_-

 

Not surprised that Open Door hasn't done well in the US though, anything that's a bit more leftfield than cheesy R&B sh!t or Kelly fukkin' Clarkson doesn't seem to do too well over that side of the pond..... -_-

 

But in fact the album isn´t doing bad there, it already sold 1.5 million and still selling (#30 this week), so it´s doing better then in the UK. I think Lithium should have been the 1st single cause the first single is always the one that causes impact, and IMO CMWYS wasn´t strong enough to cause the necessary impact.

 

It´s too soon to say it flopped, when the previous single is still charting and having much airplay there...

Lithium? The single was released in the US and in the U.K, 2 of the biggest markets in the world. It's not making any impact which is a shame because it's a great song and probably the most commercial one on the album, after CMWYS. They don't promote at all, and Wind Up really killed the song before its run with their awful scheduling. Why release a video so much before allowing radio stations to play the song, killing the hype, and on top of that schedule no promotional performances.

 

"All That I'm Living For" is a terrible song...?? I cant even count the number of ways you are totally wrong in that assessment... ATILF is a damn sight better songwriting than the rather weak "Call Me When You're Sober", or indeed about 80% of "Fallen"....

 

Not surprised that Open Door hasn't done well in the US though, anything that's a bit more leftfield than cheesy R&B sh!t or Kelly fukkin' Clarkson doesn't seem to do too well over that side of the pond.....

How am I "wrong" in stating the song is terrible? That's what I think. CMWYS is weak, that's why I'm disappointed not many people know Lithium. Those that follow Evanescence somewhat will think the album is like CMWYS and ATILF. You're right, ATILF is not necessarily completely terrible, I like the lyrics too. The problem is that the chorus is so awful, reminds me of a Kelly Clarkson/Avril Lavigne song. Lacks the 'Evanescence' sound and doesn't really show growth. The hook is worse than 80% of Fallen. Snow White Queen or The Only One would've been much better singles.

 

TOD was doing fine but it won't have legs with flop singles. In the U.S only 0.1 million people heard it this week. Christina Aguilera basically flopped with an audience of 50 million people, so you can only imagine how bad Lithium really did. It's just sad CMWYS did better than Lithium and that song looks like it will be the only thing people will remember from this era. Wind Up and Evanescence are both responsible for this mess.

Edited January 15, 200718 yr by Filthy or Gorgeous

^^^ that proves my point again about female singer. Aguilera with huge impressions, sells less then Evanescence with NO airplay, and no doubt Aguilera will have the chance to release 4 or 5 singles off her album to radio stations.

Her impressions are not huge at all, that's the sad part for Evanescence. Christina is more established, she's had some big radio single. Ev only had BMTL, MI and CMWYS. Lithium was supposed to be the MI of this album (it's a much, much better song) but Wind Up and Evanescence ruined it. ATILF is the kiss of death.

 

They got the right single choice with Lithium, but come on. Releasing a song to the radio long after the video is released is a bad decision. They also didn't promote it. They need to have 2-3 big radio singles in a row and then their singles won't go unnoticed. Lithium had the potential. It's somewhat commercial AND very good.

 

Besides this 'success' talk, I just think this era could've been much better. I was only happy with one of the singles (Lithium). Great songs like The Only One, Cloud Nine, Your Star, etc are being ignored. They're releasing the songs that sound like Fallen tracks instead of showing their new direction.

Edited January 15, 200718 yr by Filthy or Gorgeous

Her impressions are not huge at all, that's the sad part for Evanescence. Christina is more established, she's had some big radio single.

 

Er, just why the hell are we comparing Evanescence (A Hard Rock band...) to Christina Aguilera anyway......???? Presumably the next question will be "Hmmm, why aren't Slayer selling as much albums as Justin Timberlake....?!"

 

Completely different genres folks...... Howabout we actually put Ev in amongst their actual musical PEER GROUP - Lacuna Coil, A Perfect Circle, Within Temptation, Leaves Eyes, Nightwish, HIM, Type O Negative, Nine Inch Nails, The Birthday Massacre, etc....... And they are selling a damn sight more records than any of their Peer Group has, IF, you want to look at things purely in those terms, which I don't. I dont think Ev are, as a band, musically superior to any of the above-mentioned bands, they're certainly on a par with a few though....

But in fact the album isn´t doing bad there, it already sold 1.5 million and still selling (#30 this week), so it´s doing better then in the UK. I think Lithium should have been the 1st single cause the first single is always the one that causes impact, and IMO CMWYS wasn´t strong enough to cause the necessary impact.

 

Well, the US is a much bigger market than the UK bear in mind (USA - population well over 250 million, UK, population of 55 million....), so obviously they'll sell more potentially in the US than over this side of the pond....

 

 

How am I "wrong" in stating the song is terrible? That's what I think. CMWYS is weak, that's why I'm disappointed not many people know Lithium. Those that follow Evanescence somewhat will think the album is like CMWYS and ATILF. You're right, ATILF is not necessarily completely terrible, I like the lyrics too. The problem is that the chorus is so awful, reminds me of a Kelly Clarkson/Avril Lavigne song. Lacks the 'Evanescence' sound and doesn't really show growth. The hook is worse than 80% of Fallen. Snow White Queen or The Only One would've been much better singles.

 

Agree on "Snow White Queen", a much better choice for a single than either ATILF or even Lithium itself if we are being honest (Snow White Queen is probably my fave song on the album).... I dont really think ATILF lacks the "Ev" sound though.. I dont think you can seriously compare it to Kelly Clarkson or Avril, I dont think these comparisons are really helpful at all... You're still thinking in terms of Ev being this Pop Rock band, and they have totally progressed way beyond that, certainly in terms of music anyway... I think we really should be placing Ev amongst their music peer group as I stated in my previous post.....

 

So instead of comparing Amy to Avril, we should actually be comparing Amy to Cristina Scabbia, Sharon Den Adel, Maynard James Keenan or Ville Vallo (the last two in terms of the songwriting/genre only, obviously..... :lol: )

Well, the US is a much bigger market than the UK bear in mind (USA - population well over 250 million, UK, population of 55 million....), so obviously they'll sell more potentially in the US than over this side of the pond....

 

But I mean proportionally... TOD has not left the Top 30 in USA since it´s release, while in UK it even left the Top 75 for a few weeks...

 

Er, just why the hell are we comparing Evanescence (A Hard Rock band...) to Christina Aguilera anyway......???? Presumably the next question will be "Hmmm, why aren't Slayer selling as much albums as Justin Timberlake....?!"

 

Completely different genres folks...... Howabout we actually put Ev in amongst their actual musical PEER GROUP - Lacuna Coil, A Perfect Circle, Within Temptation, Leaves Eyes, Nightwish, HIM, Type O Negative, Nine Inch Nails, The Birthday Massacre, etc....... And they are selling a damn sight more records than any of their Peer Group has, IF, you want to look at things purely in those terms, which I don't. I dont think Ev are, as a band, musically superior to any of the above-mentioned bands, they're certainly on a par with a few though....

Well, they did outsell Christina Aguilera's last album with Fallen. Fallen was more commercial especially with that Linkin Park-like first single, but Ev was exposed to the world with that and should continue to do very well even for Fallen standards. Lithium is considerably commercial and it's really good, could've done so much better.

 

I'm surprised you don't find Evanescence to be superior to Within Temptation... their new single is a complete Evanescence rip-off, not to mention The Silent Force. But that's for another dicussion, I guess? :P

 

I dont really think ATILF lacks the "Ev" sound though.. I dont think you can seriously compare it to Kelly Clarkson or Avril, I dont think these comparisons are really helpful at all... You're still thinking in terms of Ev being this Pop Rock band, and they have totally progressed way beyond that, certainly in terms of music anyway...

It's actually the other way around... I hate how poppy ATILF's hook is. Good lyrics, decent verses, bad chorus. It's just sad that with an album so diverse, Evanescence insists on releasing the material that ISN'T a progress from Fallen (minus Lithium - which most of the world didn't get to hear thanks to awful promotion). I think this album deserves more than CMWYS and ATILF as singles... it's a bad presentation of what they've become, when really they have some great different songs on the album. It deserves to do well and could do well but they're making really bad single choices.

Edited January 16, 200718 yr by Filthy or Gorgeous

 

I'm surprised you don't find Evanescence to be superior to Within Temptation... their new single is a complete Evanescence rip-off, not to mention The Silent Force. But that's for another dicussion, I guess? :P

 

Well, WT have done much better material than "The Silent Force" (try listening to "Mother Earth"...), the problem with "Silent Force" is that it's a bit too produced with the guitars too low in the mix, live, the material sounds a lot better... Besides, WT came first, so I think they were an influence on Amy, not the other way round.. And Lacuna Coil pretty much trumps both bands anyway as far as quality of material goes.... :P

 

Well, they did outsell Christina Aguilera's last album with Fallen. Fallen was more commercial especially with that Linkin Park-like first single, but Ev was exposed to the world with that and should continue to do very well even for Fallen standards. Lithium is considerably commercial and it's really good, could've done so much better.

 

Oh, I didn't realise you were referring specifically to "Fallen"... Okay, my bad, yeah, I suppose the comparison is justified in that context, considering that "Fallen" is basically a Pop album in many respects.... TOD, however, is not a Pop album....

 

I never really gave Lacuna Coil a chance. For some reason I just find bands similar to Evanescence cheesy... I'm talking about Epica and maybe even Nightwish. Mother Earth may have influenced Amy but not as much Evanescence influenced the sophmore ("Stand My Ground"). Their new song really sounds like Ben Moody had something to do with, it's all BMTL/Linkin Park again. :lol:

 

Nightwish isn´t ANY similar to Evanescence IMO, and in fact they have been around ages before Evanescence appeared.

Acording to Mikey the album is "Top 105" (=#105?) in the midweeks :( Didn´t expect such a massive drop after a few weeks of stability... Lithium is Top 65.