There's been a lot of debate lately. Some people have a belief where Taylor is threatened by the success of other female artists, but doesn't feel threatened about the success of male artists. Discourse started when she started releasing variants during the release week of Billie Eilish's new album "HIT ME HARD AND SOFT". Whilst Billie's album debut at #1 in the UK, it lagged behind Taylor's album in the USA by debuting at #2. The most recent example of this happened right here in the UK. During the midweek stage, the #1 battle was between Charli XCX and Bon Jovi. However, Charli overtook Bon Jovi and was in the lead at #1. Later on, Taylor knocked Bon Jovi's position to #3. On Thursday, Taylor released new variants of "THE TORTUED POETS DEPARTMENT", which were only available for a day. It is now Friday, and Taylor has blocked Charli from getting her second UK #1 album.

 

Do you think that Taylor is threatened by the success of other female artists? Personally, I think she is. I think she wants to the top woman in the charts, and will do anything to beat other women.

Edited June 14, 20241 yr by DanielSwift

Really :lol: no words

 

If you ever watch her at awards ceremonies etc etc half the time you find she is the only one supporting them :lol:

I think it could be just her team but then she has the power to stop things like this?? She isn't this great spectacle of a person and her capitalist pig ways have really left a sour taste in my mouth. She has also been completely complicit regarding Israel/Gaza.

 

She's talented and I love her music but as a person.....ehhhh there's a lot to be desired imo.

 

 

 

She's talented and I love her music but as a person.....ehhhh there's a lot to be desired imo.

 

She literally just given all her production team a 6 figure bonus , that makes her a bad person ^_^

Never said she was a bad person lol also that kind of money is nothing. I am a fan, I am seeing the Eras tour in a few weeks but she can still be criticised by using her platform for more and how greedy she can be.

Oooh… I’m personally not sure on the Israel/Gaza thing. Would it really be wise for her to speak out in the middle of the biggest tour of all time and (potentially) threaten the safety of everyone at these shows? What’s to stop Israel from targetting one of her shows for example? (I am probably being way too naïve with that point and I apologise if it offends anyone but that’s how I’ve seen it for her) Also wasn’t she seen at a fundraising event for Gaza? Icr. (And it’s annoying people are inly going after her for this when major other artists ala Beyoncé or Harry Styles etc.. haven’t said anything either?)

 

On to the topic at hand I personally don’t think it’s “threatened by other women’s success” more than her team just seeing an opportune moment to stay at number 1 tbh. But that’s personally just how I see it.

There’s just really no excuse for dropping a bundle that would get her #1 the week another female artist is going to get #1. Not the week before, or after, only this one with Brat. Perhaps it is her team/label but you would think Taylor is big enough to stop that, whether she means to or not it really only comes across as pure greed.

 

Honestly is the album chart even relevant enough for her or her team to care enough to do that? :lol:

Oooh… I’m personally not sure on the Israel/Gaza thing. Would it really be wise for her to speak out in the middle of the biggest tour of all time and (potentially) threaten the safety of everyone at these shows? What’s to stop Israel from targetting one of her shows for example? (I am probably being way too naïve with that point and I apologise if it offends anyone but that’s how I’ve seen it for her) Also wasn’t she seen at a fundraising event for Gaza? Icr. (And it’s annoying people are inly going after her for this when major other artists ala Beyoncé or Harry Styles etc.. haven’t said anything either?)

 

On to the topic at hand I personally don’t think it’s “threatened by other women’s success” more than her team just seeing an opportune moment to stay at number 1 tbh. But that’s personally just how I see it.

Israel are not going to randomly bomb Liverpool because a celebrity speaks out.

 

I agree though a lot of big artists haven’t said anything, but earlier in her career Taylor did speak up and she unprecedented reach which she could do a lot with instead of wasting energy on 83 variants just to stop another women getting a number 1

When you’re at Taylor’s level, that thought must surely come into play though, no? They even tweeted her trying to get her to respond because they knew how powerful her reach is. So they’d definitely have eyes on her. (I’m not saying it would necessarily happen, but I do think that kind of conversation would have been had.)

Never said she was a bad person lol also that kind of money is nothing. I am a fan, I am seeing the Eras tour in a few weeks but she can still be criticised by using her platform for more and how greedy she can be.

Okay Iain Stirling. What a bizarre comment to make given that's most likely a life changing sum of money for the production team around her to receive.

 

As for Gaza, I do find it quite uncomfortable that people take issue with and subsequently take aim at artists for choosing not to politicise their career/artistry or speak out publicly on it. Sure, these people have platforms, but they also don't owe anybody anything and are in exactly the same boat as all of us when it comes to how they decide to speak about it. I personally don't get involved in any online discourse because I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing so, and I certainly wouldn't demonise a celebrity for doing the same. They're also in a position where they can make substantial donations privately, which Taylor has done without broadcasting it to the world (see also: her generous donations to food banks in each city she's visited on the Eras Tour).

 

On the topic of the 5874 re-issues of the album though, I am side-eyeing a bit at these all being announced whenever another female artist is due to hit #1. For an album that really isn't all that when you sit back and look at her complete discography (imo), it just seems shady af.

It isn't anything personal it is just business. Just the usual having a hissy fit.

Edited June 14, 20241 yr by kimberley88

I don't get the comments about "only" doing it when a female releases? Haven't they been releasing like this more or less since release week (maybe with a week or 2 break after the Billie week), but they released signed versions when Twenty One Pilots vs Paul Weller (was it him? icr ) were battling it out.

 

I just think people are noticing it when a female releases because their fanbases are the most vocal about them on Twitter/socials and nobody really cares when it's the men who are "cheated" out of it.

Also when pet shop boys came out she did the same.

Okay Iain Stirling. What a bizarre comment to make given that's most likely a life changing sum of money for the production team around her to receive.

 

As for Gaza, I do find it quite uncomfortable that people take issue with and subsequently take aim at artists for choosing not to politicise their career/artistry or speak out publicly on it. Sure, these people have platforms, but they also don't owe anybody anything and are in exactly the same boat as all of us when it comes to how they decide to speak about it. I personally don't get involved in any online discourse because I just wouldn't feel comfortable doing so, and I certainly wouldn't demonise a celebrity for doing the same. They're also in a position where they can make substantial donations privately, which Taylor has done without broadcasting it to the world (see also: her generous donations to food banks in each city she's visited on the Eras Tour).

 

On the topic of the 5874 re-issues of the album though, I am side-eyeing a bit at these all being announced whenever another female artist is due to hit #1. For an album that really isn't all that when you sit back and look at her complete discography (imo), it just seems shady af.

Nothing to HER, Taylor, omg lmao, obviously that money is life changing! I just left that wording out. I'm not that ridiculous or insensitive, god knows I know about a struggle when it comes to money.

 

I don't think it's that uncomfortable to ask someone to do something actually. Look at someone like Kehlani who has dedicated her music video to the cause, used Palestinian dancers, made sure all profits go to charity. She Is nowhere near the level of Taylor and got conversation starting. Then on a bigger level Ariana has signed a petition for ceasefire publicly, people aren't asking her to do like a crazy amount, she's only human, but when you have a platform that big - just something can go a long way. I think I read Ariana for example putting a link in her bio or just her story on ig raised thousands.

 

I agree about the last point, I guess we can always blame her team but like Liam has said, she surely has some influence and it just seems a bit convenient.

Oooh… I’m personally not sure on the Israel/Gaza thing. Would it really be wise for her to speak out in the middle of the biggest tour of all time and (potentially) threaten the safety of everyone at these shows? What’s to stop Israel from targetting one of her shows for example? (I am probably being way too naïve with that point and I apologise if it offends anyone but that’s how I’ve seen it for her) Also wasn’t she seen at a fundraising event for Gaza? Icr. (And it’s annoying people are inly going after her for this when major other artists ala Beyoncé or Harry Styles etc.. haven’t said anything either?)

 

On to the topic at hand I personally don’t think it’s “threatened by other women’s success” more than her team just seeing an opportune moment to stay at number 1 tbh. But that’s personally just how I see it.

Hamas are the issue kidnapping and killing people plus those bombs they tried to hit Israel with.

Oooh… I’m personally not sure on the Israel/Gaza thing. Would it really be wise for her to speak out in the middle of the biggest tour of all time and (potentially) threaten the safety of everyone at these shows? What’s to stop Israel from targetting one of her shows for example? (I am probably being way too naïve with that point and I apologise if it offends anyone but that’s how I’ve seen it for her) Also wasn’t she seen at a fundraising event for Gaza? Icr. (And it’s annoying people are inly going after her for this when major other artists ala Beyoncé or Harry Styles etc.. haven’t said anything either?)

I think Israel/Palestine is such a touchy subject that speaking out could and would result in a large number of extremists from either opposing side potentially targeting her and her concerts with the intent to harm Palestinian and/or Jewish Swifties.

 

And it's not like speaking out would help sway public opinion - she was at the American Near East Refugee Aid event a while back and it really didn't do much to shake off the hate. Not only did she get called "anti-Israel" by conservatives but she still ended up on celebrity block lists following the Met Gala (although idk how much power it really holds bc a number of these lists disproportionately target BIPOC and Jewish artists regardless of their stance on the issue, the Hadid sisters were on there DESPITE BEING PALESTINIAN THEMSELVES).

 

On the topic at hand, Korean music companies have been gaming the system like this for a while (think HYBE releasing several remixes of Butter to keep it on top of Billboard) but I don't think it's gotten to the level of criticism that it has gotten until Western labels caught on. I don't think it's just the label that is to blame since it's just a side effect of capitalism in the end for them. I think her fandom needs to have some of this smoke bc it makes Taylor come across as a hypocrite for preaching about feminism but she's the only female who can come out on top, and Swifties have had a history of misogyny-adjacent behavior before (the way they treated Miley and SZA on Twitter early last year springs to mind).

Hamas are the issue kidnapping and killing people plus those bombs they tried to hit Israel with.

 

Let’s not start this - this did not start on October 7th that was simply the breaking point after 70 years of occupation and control from isr*el onto the Palestinians. Sure what hamas did was wrong but the Palestinians have suffered so much over the past 70 years under isr*els control from having their land stolen and necessities controlled and that attack is miniscule in comparison to the utter damage isr*el has done, not only since its creation but especially in the past 8 months. You cannot justify killing 38000 people and destroying everything they have to make up for the October 7th attack so no hamas is not the issue here the fake state of isr*el is the issue.

 

Please EDUCATE yourself on the history before making silly comments without knowing the full context on it. I know the media doesn’t show it because they are biased but it is not hard to find out about what has occurred since isr*els occupation

, as much as it would be good for her to use her platform and show that she is an activist like the made such a big deal about in Miss Americana in 2019, I think her focus is white feminism unfortunately, and that seems to be as far as her activism goes.

 

I do also think speaking about could increase the risk of attacks especially with how big she is and how big the tour is, look at the uni campus students, they got attacked by pro isr*el attackers and they were random college students, so if she spoke out it could put her and fans at risk from extremists (especially isr*el supporters) which is something she wouldn’t want to do when the tour is still going on till December

With how insanely busy she is, I can't realistically imagine the UK chart is something she's giving a second thought to. But I do very much believe her team saw the numbers and did what they could to rob Charli XCX of her #1 at the last minute in a very underhand way (and that makes them c**ts, quite frankly)

And on that discussion yep it’s getting tiresome now with the hundreds of drops of the albums blocking other artists, it’s a bit of a pisstake now