Funny thing about that FindOutNow poll, not only is it majorly an outlier from other polls that have included a hypothetical Corbyn party, the page on their website that links to it is now deleted - and the only people promoting it on Twitter have been Zia Yusuf, Aaron Bastani and Stats For Lefties. As ever, the shadiest polling company in Britain. To be honest, I just don't believe a party based around Corbyn would be that popular when it hasn't even launched yet, doesn't pass the smell test.

MoreInCommon also released one yesterday which is not nearly as dramatic.

YouGov also reported this which... er...

Good going!

Those approval rates show how hard it is going to be for any government going forwards.. everyone wants massive state handouts but we have no means of funding it. Think until a government levels with the public and takes the heat it's going to be hard work. But it's a lose lose situation really as Reform and the Tories will promise the earth if Labour ever do that. So all in all, we're fecked.

Yeah it was only 650 people and a big margin of error seems it was more commissioned on a small level for novaramedia than a proper poll https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1944817942471794916?s=46

The problem is much bigger than state handouts. Everything in the UK is terrible. Wages are horrendous for the same jobs compared to elsewhere. Rent prices are out of control. Job vacancies have thousands of applicants, taxes are so high on business it’s better to operate elsewhere etc

And yet my job pays decent money and I do an easy job (imo). I have a decent life albeit I work hard (up at 6am most mornings and home at 6.30pm).

10 hours ago, Liam Sota said:

I presume it’s just like the SNP where their nationalism is just being anti-English and they see that as more righteous than anti-immigrant or whatever. You need to be in central Wales to be truly Welsh? What kind of madness is that. Also what is Farage supposed to be doing? Banning people from speaking Welsh? Is that a reform policy or something? What culture could reform possibly be destroying? Makes no sense at all.

Two polls a yougov one where I think Labour lost some ground over the messy benefits handling

And a find out now poll that puts Corbyn almost level with Labour which I wouldn’t put much weight on but apparently it’s a real poll

I think it’s unfair to say that the nationalist parties are anti-English, they are anti-being governed by the English. The UK government was founded as a way of controlling the Celtic fringes of the kingdoms by ruling them from London. It’s a huge democratic deficit as English MPs dominate the 650 seats at Westminster and on big decisions totally dictate the direction of the UK of which Brexit is the best recent example.

Hence the nationalist parties in wales and Scotland and a Republican Party dominates NI who don’t even take their seats.

2 minutes ago, Steve201 said:

And yet my job pays decent money and I do an easy job (imo). I have a decent life albeit I work hard (up at 6am most mornings and home at 6.30pm).

I agree. I think it's easy to point to certain levels of standard living, I think the issue is governments kept house prices so high leading to the current housing mess we have now, plus of course the whole 'let's all have a property empire' mantra, which I see less of these days, but still happening. We have a problem where nobody wants tax rises, have a huge level of Government debt and we want to support everyone in the State.

Problem is I can foresee a huge financial crash again in the next 5-10 years and the Labour will as usual be the party with the keys to government when it happens leaving them open to attack from the right as usual even though it’s normally very little to do with them!

1 hour ago, Steve201 said:

And yet my job pays decent money and I do an easy job (imo). I have a decent life albeit I work hard (up at 6am most mornings and home at 6.30pm).

I’ve seen jobs that pay 150k a year in the US advertised for 45k a year here. It’s so entrenched for so long that a lot of British people don’t even realise they’re criminally underpaid.

1 hour ago, Steve201 said:

I think it’s unfair to say that the nationalist parties are anti-English, they are anti-being governed by the English. The UK government was founded as a way of controlling the Celtic fringes of the kingdoms by ruling them from London. It’s a huge democratic deficit as English MPs dominate the 650 seats at Westminster and on big decisions totally dictate the direction of the UK of which Brexit is the best recent example.

Hence the nationalist parties in wales and Scotland and a Republican Party dominates NI who don’t even take their seats.

You can only say what you see. Being nationalist and wanting to stay in the EU is laughable anyway.

1 hour ago, Rooney said:

I agree. I think it's easy to point to certain levels of standard living, I think the issue is governments kept house prices so high leading to the current housing mess we have now, plus of course the whole 'let's all have a property empire' mantra, which I see less of these days, but still happening. We have a problem where nobody wants tax rises, have a huge level of Government debt and we want to support everyone in the State.

All very middle of the road stuff though what are you really saying? We should slash welfare? And property is just supply and demand at this point. The demand is 100x higher than the supply so the rents just keep skyrocketing. If you have people spending 70% of their earnings on rent then there’s no free money for the economy. It’s a standstill cycle that will never be fixed until you have numbers under control

You can't really compare US vs UK salaries though. Yeah you earn more in the US and you might be able to make more money in the middle class, but there's no such thing as a work life balance, 10 days holidays and the cost of everything is relative to over there too. Rent, transport is all way more expensive. Wage growth certainly hasn't happened as it should have though.

And unfortunately with the housing bubble there's not a great deal that can be done imo unless you crack down on property developers and short term holiday letters. "Re-setting" the housing market means you plus millions of people in to potentially negative equity for those who have bought. Imo within the State function either something has got to give or we need tax rises. The latter are inevitable at some point.

6 hours ago, Liam Sota said:

I’ve seen jobs that pay 150k a year in the US advertised for 45k a year here. It’s so entrenched for so long that a lot of British people don’t even realise they’re criminally underpaid.

You can only say what you see. Being nationalist and wanting to stay in the EU is laughable anyway.

All very middle of the road stuff though what are you really saying? We should slash welfare? And property is just supply and demand at this point. The demand is 100x higher than the supply so the rents just keep skyrocketing. If you have people spending 70% of their earnings on rent then there’s no free money for the economy. It’s a standstill cycle that will never be fixed until you have numbers under control

And why id that? Perfect easy to be nationalist and pro eu. Sorry. You have bought the anti EU Farage propaganda hook line and sinker.