Speaking of meltdowns... TERFs are going nuts over Anneliese Dodds and Bridget Phillipson being named as ministers for women & equalities, so I'll take that as a win :D especially when the bar was previously on the floor with Kemi Badenoch.

 

Also, chaos with Ed Miliband has so far transpired into lifting the onshore wind ban, so he can keep it up tbh.

 

It's pissed off J.K Rowling - so must be doing something right.

Lifting the onshore wind ban is incredible, planning reform from Reeves has me apprehensive but optimistic, the ministerial appointments have been focused on experience so far, I think this is all off to a great start - they're taking all the easy wins that had been piled up as soon as they possibly can.

 

Definitely reminding me of the Biden administration's reform whirlwind though, which objectively did a lot of great stuff but didn't leave people feeling that much better off so I hope they can do that too.

Try telling that to Owen Jones whose having a meltdown on Twitter 3 days in :rofl: Already lining it up for being Starmer’s fault that Reform get votes.

Is he ever happy with anything Labour do?

Is he ever happy with anything Labour do?

 

Nope. He's a Green supporter now anyway. Guess he needs to remain 'in opposition' for the grift.

I'm veering between amused and frustrated with how hysterical many of my irl friends are being about Starmer getting in.

 

So far I'm 10/10 happy with everything that's been done. He ran a great campaign too, strategic not to give the medai any inflammatory soundbites that could be used against him.

Try telling that to Owen Jones whose having a meltdown on Twitter 3 days in :rofl: Already lining it up for being Starmer’s fault that Reform get votes.

 

He has really gone off the deep end imo

Nope. He's a Green supporter now anyway. Guess he needs to remain 'in opposition' for the grift.

 

What he does is pretty much exactly the opposite of 'grift' - adopting positions for financial reasons - come on. He sticks to his own principles and leaves the Labour Party when their positions leave his.

 

From what I've seen of him these past three days he's actually been very happy with the Green and independent results, while still getting on the Labour party for their failings that led him to abandon it. And he's still supportive of those Labour MPs within the party that still hold to those lines.

 

Being dismissive of so much of Labour's core vote that went over to the Greens and the independents isn't going to end too well if Labour doesn't govern well and this election showed clear signs that that vote is ready to unseat Labour MPs - everyone thought the Tory blue wall was unassailable until it wasn't.

What he does is pretty much exactly the opposite of 'grift' - adopting positions for financial reasons - come on. He sticks to his own principles and leaves the Labour Party when their positions leave his.

 

From what I've seen of him these past three days he's actually been very happy with the Green and independent results, while still getting on the Labour party for their failings that led him to abandon it. And he's still supportive of those Labour MPs within the party that still hold to those lines.

 

Being dismissive of so much of Labour's core vote that went over to the Greens and the independents isn't going to end too well if Labour doesn't govern well and this election showed clear signs that that vote is ready to unseat Labour MPs - everyone thought the Tory blue wall was unassailable until it wasn't.

 

He's completely lost it today. He was buoyed by the results in France (fair enough) and is already peddling this myth that Starmer is alreayd the reason Reform will do well in five years time, which is utterly bonkers. Far-right populism would rise anywhere in the world no matter who is in charge. To suggest if a Socialist government was in charge things woukd be very different just shows a real lack of someone whose been to many of these areas that are being targeted outside of quick sound bites on the high street.

 

As I've always suspected, now Labour are in power they will veer off slightly more to the left when it is appropriate to do so. It was a great result for the Greens and I suspect under Labour we will adopt more Green policies (a great thing). Not sure how much we can read in to the Independents gaining votes based on a single issue they have been elected on.

 

 

Northern Ireland is a nation in the same way Scotland and Wales are a nation.

 

 

Wrong, a nation must have an agreed state - NI doesn’t have any agreement and was formed under the threat of force. Hence the troubles in the country.

Yup. It has always been considered a nation. Nothing new.

 

Read more books!

He's completely lost it today. He was buoyed by the results in France (fair enough) and is already peddling this myth that Starmer is alreayd the reason Reform will do well in five years time, which is utterly bonkers. Far-right populism would rise anywhere in the world no matter who is in charge. To suggest if a Socialist government was in charge things woukd be very different just shows a real lack of someone whose been to many of these areas that are being targeted outside of quick sound bites on the high street.

 

As I've always suspected, now Labour are in power they will veer off slightly more to the left when it is appropriate to do so. It was a great result for the Greens and I suspect under Labour we will adopt more Green policies (a great thing). Not sure how much we can read in to the Independents gaining votes based on a single issue they have been elected on.

 

To be fair, I've also been warning of centrism being the main way to sleepwalk towards the far right, though that's normally because I associate centrism with a lot of talk and not much done about the problems that let the far right fester. Specifically through namechecking Hollande and Macron as France has had this particularly bad with centrist presidents just about holding onto power up against a rising far-right. Of course it's also entirely possible for left-wing governments to fail to address conditions.

 

The moves Labour have made in government have been great so far, I hope they hold. Way too early to see what will happen with the Reform vote share but I do get the sense that Labour know they are very much responsible for any failures on their part, which will hopefully stop those being made.

Just seen his Irish flair, no point bothering with Irish re-unification lot,.

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Wrong, a nation must have an agreed state - NI doesn’t have any agreement and was formed under the threat of force. Hence the troubles in the country.

 

I'm not getting to deep in this but you might want to re-read the Good Friday Agreement.

I’ve read it plenty many more times than you I dare say as you clearly didn’t learn anything from it!

He's completely lost it today. He was buoyed by the results in France (fair enough) and is already peddling this myth that Starmer is alreayd the reason Reform will do well in five years time, which is utterly bonkers. Far-right populism would rise anywhere in the world no matter who is in charge. To suggest if a Socialist government was in charge things woukd be very different just shows a real lack of someone whose been to many of these areas that are being targeted outside of quick sound bites on the high street.

 

As I've always suspected, now Labour are in power they will veer off slightly more to the left when it is appropriate to do so. It was a great result for the Greens and I suspect under Labour we will adopt more Green policies (a great thing). Not sure how much we can read in to the Independents gaining votes based on a single issue they have been elected on.

 

Fascism and far right get stronger when rhe left moves to the centre. This is fact. Starmer WILL be to blame for thst. Centrism doe snot work and it engenders far right populism. We need Corbyn.

To be fair, I've also been warning of centrism being the main way to sleepwalk towards the far right, though that's normally because I associate centrism with a lot of talk and not much done about the problems that let the far right fester. Specifically through namechecking Hollande and Macron as France has had this particularly bad with centrist presidents just about holding onto power up against a rising far-right. Of course it's also entirely possible for left-wing governments to fail to address conditions.

 

The moves Labour have made in government have been great so far, I hope they hold. Way too early to see what will happen with the Reform vote share but I do get the sense that Labour know they are very much responsible for any failures on their part, which will hopefully stop those being made.

 

The far right ideology has always been bubbling over time though, WW2 kind of set that back for a few generations, but you do kind of feel the world is at a point in time where history feels like it is on the course of repeating itself.

 

Clearly the Reform vote is lingering and I'd suspect much like Brexit, half of their supporters don't really know what they are voting for, but you do know who a large majority of their voters will be. I think in our country it is clearly unique and being driven by Farage with parallels of Mosley. Not really sure there's anyone else who could do what he is currently doing from that extreme of the Party.

 

But back to the point I was making about Owen Jones, most people can see Labour are picking off some easy wins, trying to build & repair relationships but Own Jones just had a full meltdown today reckoning the Greens will overturn a 15k majority in his seat next Parliment. I'm all for holding account when it is needed, but just find at the moment Labour are making sensible and good choices (which we've not had at least since 2016) not blinded to a strict idelogy. The criticism seems mostly unnecessary.

Just seen his Irish flair, no point bothering with Irish re-unification lot,.

 

Yeah, he just doesn't grasp the concept of it as a nation. No getting through!

News coming through today that a number of Reform cadidates might not even exist!

 

I feel like the media establishment does a bad job of reporting the facts that a) a lot of voters are genuinely EXTREMELY low knowledge and aren't being strategic or specific-policy based at all,

 

and b) certain political parties deliberately do, and face no punishment for, outright tell lies to their supporters with not even an attempt at being truthful because the way the system works, all they want from the voter is their vote, not any kind of sustained support.

 

It's no different from grifters that sell a fake product to old or vulnerable people and then run for the hills and never deliver it. Except for whatever reason the media is loath to call them out as deliberate thieves and instead falls over itself trying to find an excuse.

Speaking of meltdowns... TERFs are going nuts over Anneliese Dodds and Bridget Phillipson being named as ministers for women & equalities, so I'll take that as a win :D especially when the bar was previously on the floor with Kemi Badenoch.

 

If she wins the leadership will there be on Buzzjack 'The Official Tory things are Bad-enoch As it Is' thread?

Creation of a National Wealth Fund now. Amazing to see the sort of stuff we can do when we’re not blighted by Brexit!