Would Pep Guardiola win a major trophy with England? This is an open question by the way.

 

 

I think people now "expect" England to reach finals, so good luck to the guy after Southgate!

 

I don't think anybody expects England to make finals to be honest - making two in a row is definitely performing above their baseline/expectations. Before this tournament we were discussing making the QF or SF as a good run. The same expectation at the world cup seems reasonable given we only got to the Quarters las time.

 

I'm pretty Southgate has secured his spot to lead us into the next World Cup at the very least. He continues to perform above expectations, in large thanks to an incredibly talented group of players - but his success his evident. The 2016 Euros is the last tournament in which we lost to a team that didn't make the final. That's some record.

I thought it was a very high-tempo/intense final and I quite enjoyed it.

 

England somehow equalised against Spain's superb level of football. The right team definitely won

 

Great that England made the final (somewhat luckily in places) & hopefully this is something to build on. I personally don't see much point in changing managers (the armchair managers say otherwise....)

Why are England never going to win under Southgate when he seems to have a much better record than other managers?

 

Every championship every team bar one loses - and we’ve come second twice in a row… I think that’s great personally and I wouldn’t gamble it away by swapping Southgate for anyone else when the odds are that a replacement manager would be less successful

(ps not specifically at you Roo, but your comment resonated with lots of things on my feeds today)

 

There’s loads of reasons. Southgate isn’t some majestic, a lot of recent England history was clouted by the end of Capello’s reign and then of course the dour Hodgson years. Southgate just is not a winner and if anything we’ve gone backwards rather than forwards with this team.. I genuinely don’t even know what we were trying to do this tournament. The issue is there’s a pattern with Southgate- great man manager, but he’s so invested in being risk adverse that it hurts our play. Right now, we’re in a really similar position to how Germany were under Low towards the latter end of his tenure. Change is good and it’s the right time.

 

As well as tactics, a lot of football is about momentum and seizing on the opportunity. We squandered the momentum yesterday at 1-1, which was Southgate’s doing and it cost us. I just think the cycle has come to an end now, we’ve regressed as a team and we clearly have the players who are used to being on the front foot, rather than in a continual low block.

 

England should be competing in the semi finals every year with the amount the FA invests in the grassroots, all the way up to the first team. Like I mentioned earlier, everyone’s so scarred by the Hodgson failures (a great example of where the FA were just happy we qualified) at major tournaments and the hangover from the Fergie/Wenger/Benitez/Mourinho era that did lead to a toxic culture at the national team.

 

Would Pep Guardiola win a major trophy with England? This is an open question by the way.

 

I mean are you more likely to win an F1 championship with a better and faster car?

Agreed Southgate has done some great things but it's definitely time for a change now. Everyone knows his tactics and the top international teams easily stifle us. We can't keep getting lucky on individual moments of brilliance forever.

Well done Spain! It did feel like they were the better team on the night, and that was pretty much what we were all expecting leading up to the match so not too disappointed there. A lot for England to be happy about with reaching the final.

Anyone else read The Athletic hit piece? That's definitely come from inside the camp and has legs to it.

 

Maguire & Grealish being dropped upset the camp and seems Bellingham isn't well liked either. Kind of makes sense when you think about it, especially the former and the stinker we put in against Iceland afterwards.

Pretty ridiculous if players let things like that annoy them when they have the chance of winning a major tournament though!

Maguire was injured though and Guehi fully justified his selection so what's the issue there.

He took one player who was so injured he couldn't play a part in the first four games. I don't know how bad Maguire's injury was, but there's an argument that just his presence could have been more beneficial than Dunk given there were four other centre halves in the squad.

 

I think there's always a risk that the age of ego could come around again, especially when you have so many talented attacking players, in some ways it's utterly bonkers to have a squad where none of Grealish, Rashford, Sterling or Maddison are in it and none of those omissions are exactly undeserved, but there are some big characters in there. There have certainly been French and Dutch teams in the past who have got nowhere close to what the talent in the squad was capable of due to the arguments and egos within the squad, and there was some of that in the Golden Generation era of England too.

 

I think it's something Southgate had done so well, in cultivating a great culture within the squad where they all get on and are happy with their place, after how low it had sunk by the end of Capello and the era of club cliques that came before it. But ultimately that's easier when you're in the process of building a squad and becoming more successful. It's more difficult when you're having to make tough decisions on who to leave out.

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Why are England never going to win under Southgate when he seems to have a much better record than other managers?

 

Every championship every team bar one loses - and we’ve come second twice in a row… I think that’s great personally and I wouldn’t gamble it away by swapping Southgate for anyone else when the odds are that a replacement manager would be less successful

(ps not specifically at you Roo, but your comment resonated with lots of things on my feeds today)

 

 

Honestly you said everything I was thinking. This whole we don’t win so we get rid mentality is weird as hell to me. We’ve done better than ever under Southgate bar when we win the World Cup donkeys years ago, keep him!

Anyone fancy becoming the England manager? :lol:

 

https://careers.thefa.com/jobs/vacancy/engl...37/description/

Anyone on here going to apply?

He took one player who was so injured he couldn't play a part in the first four games. I don't know how bad Maguire's injury was, but there's an argument that just his presence could have been more beneficial than Dunk given there were four other centre halves in the squad.

 

I think there's always a risk that the age of ego could come around again, especially when you have so many talented attacking players, in some ways it's utterly bonkers to have a squad where none of Grealish, Rashford, Sterling or Maddison are in it and none of those omissions are exactly undeserved, but there are some big characters in there. There have certainly been French and Dutch teams in the past who have got nowhere close to what the talent in the squad was capable of due to the arguments and egos within the squad, and there was some of that in the Golden Generation era of England too.

 

I think it's something Southgate had done so well, in cultivating a great culture within the squad where they all get on and are happy with their place, after how low it had sunk by the end of Capello and the era of club cliques that came before it. But ultimately that's easier when you're in the process of building a squad and becoming more successful. It's more difficult when you're having to make tough decisions on who to leave out.

 

Absolutely agree here, def think that the squad morale and creating a club togetherness is a lot more important in international football than coaching is. They don’t get time to coach the players. It’s just a different ball game!