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Tony Blair responded yesterday to growing pressure from military commanders by accepting that more money would have to be spent on the Armed Forces to improve their conditions and equipment and to enable Britain to remain a war-fighting power.

In a lecture defending his policy of interventionism, the Prime Minister said that the new challenges from worldwide terrorism required new commitments to be made to the Forces.

The covenant between the Armed Forces, the Government and the people had to be renewed, which for the Government meant spending more on equipment, personnel and conditions, Mr Blair said.

His words were seen as clear advice to Gordon Brown, his expected successor, that more money will be needed for defence if Britain is to maintain its influence in the world.

Retreating in the face of the terrorist enemy would be a catastrophe, Mr Blair said. Terrorism could not be defeated by military means alone, but it could not be defeated without it. In remarks that could also have been aimed in the direction of Mr Brown, he added that poverty in Africa could not be solved by the presence of aid. It also needed the absence of conflict, and failed states threatened other countries as well as their own people.

Mr Blair’s words were welcomed by Forces chiefs and the Tories. The chairman of the Commons Defence Select Committee, the Tory MP James Arbuthnot, gave the speech an “unreserved welcomeâ€. He said: “The Prime Minister is recognising both the strain under which the Armed Forces are operating and the steps needed to put it right.â€

Mr Blair said that there were nations that did fighting and peacekeeping and those that had retreated to peacekeeping alone. Britain did both and should continue to do so.

 

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Terrorism cannot be defeated by Military means, FULL STOP!! One would've thought our experience in Northern Ireland just might have taught us that... The IRA did NOT surrender at any point, they CHOSE to stop and come to the negotiating table, only an idiot would say otherwise.. Israel has not stopped Terrorism in Palestine through military means either, in fact every time Israel has used military force it has only served to strengthen the resolve of Hamas, Hizbollah and make people in the region just even more p!ssed off at Israel...

 

Military intervention has been the CAUSE of terrorism in Iraq.. Whatever you say about him, Saddam actually had the likes of Muktada Al Sadir under control, and Al Qaeda were unable to make any inroads into Iraq.. When we removed Saddam, a huge power vacuum was created and extremists just poured over the borders...

 

 

although i agree with you scott, im not sure how the likes of al queda would ever stop, regardless of wether or not the yanks imposed themselves upon the world.

 

as i understand it there will always be people of a religious persuasion who are unable/unwilling to compromise their extreme views and will only live to kill others. im not sure how else other then nukin' them would the problem be solved...

 

after all... thats what saddam and his henchmen did to the kurds.

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yes, but should any military action not be taken under the umbrella of the UN and not the UK or USA on its own, if its backed by the UN then there is a clear majority of the world in favour.

 

Why should the UK put its citizens at risk just because Bliar thinks it will earn him a few bob as a "statesman" when he does the talk circuit and his autobiography comes out.

although i agree with you scott, im not sure how the likes of al queda would ever stop, regardless of wether or not the yanks imposed themselves upon the world.

 

as i understand it there will always be people of a religious persuasion who are unable/unwilling to compromise their extreme views and will only live to kill others. im not sure how else other then nukin' them would the problem be solved...

 

after all... thats what saddam and his henchmen did to the kurds.

 

But Nuke who. exactly. Rob....? Housing Estates in North London, Bradford or Leeds...? Cos THAT is where some of the support network is going on mate... Terrorism does not have a country as such, many IRA terrorists found support and shelter in the US, Spain, Libya, etc, etc... We were told the bull$h!t lies that bombing the c**p out of Afghanistan and Iraq was actually going to somehow solve the Al Qaeda problem, did it fukk, it just made matters even worse.... 'Just nuke em' is really a very very silly thing to propose, and it simply will not work.... You think that the Presidents of Afghanistan or Pakistan (whom we are supporting by the way...) are actually going to allow the US or anyone else to use Nukes or WMDs in their countries....?

 

The ONLY way to stop this Terrorism is to negotiate.... And dont say that it couldn't happen, cos none of us ever imagined negotiating with the IRA in the 70s and 80s.... And I reckon Stopping Western interference in the Middle East, pulling out our troops in Iraq and replacing them with a Pan-Arab/UN force and dismantling US military bases in the ME will go a hell of a lot of the way to actually achieving a cessation of violence.....

yes, but should any military action not be taken under the umbrella of the UN and not the UK or USA on its own, if its backed by the UN then there is a clear majority of the world in favour.

 

Why should the UK put its citizens at risk just because Bliar thinks it will earn him a few bob as a "statesman" when he does the talk circuit and his autobiography comes out.

 

Exactly... He's such a self-aggrandising little prick, and he really does seem to have a bloody 'Messiah Complex'.... Like every other British Imperialist from General fukkin' Gordon, through Anthony Eden, he is totally incapable of understanding the Arab mindset, and this total IGNORANCE of the people and the culture of the region is going to cause us nothing but endless problems....

 

But Nuke who. exactly. Rob....? Housing Estates in North London, Bradford or Leeds...? Cos THAT is where some of the support network is going on mate... Terrorism does not have a country as such, many IRA terrorists found support and shelter in the US, Spain, Libya, etc, etc... We were told the bull$h!t lies that bombing the c**p out of Afghanistan and Iraq was actually going to somehow solve the Al Qaeda problem, did it fukk, it just made matters even worse.... 'Just nuke em' is really a very very silly thing to propose, and it simply will not work.... You think that the Presidents of Afghanistan or Pakistan (whom we are supporting by the way...) are actually going to allow the US or anyone else to use Nukes or WMDs in their countries....?

 

The ONLY way to stop this Terrorism is to negotiate.... And dont say that it couldn't happen, cos none of us ever imagined negotiating with the IRA in the 70s and 80s.... And I reckon Stopping Western interference in the Middle East, pulling out our troops in Iraq and replacing them with a Pan-Arab/UN force and dismantling US military bases in the ME will go a hell of a lot of the way to actually achieving a cessation of violence.....

 

 

well my 'nuke em' was rather tongue in cheek m8...

 

housing estates in bradford etc?... thats a good point and highlights the problem many have with mass immigration m8... we have 'let the enemy in' so to speak..

 

the problem of fundemental religious freaks isnt one that can be negociated... big probs here.

well my 'nuke em' was rather tongue in cheek m8...

 

housing estates in bradford etc?... thats a good point and highlights the problem many have with mass immigration m8... we have 'let the enemy in' so to speak..

 

the problem of fundemental religious freaks isnt one that can be negociated... big probs here.

 

Well, it's funny how these 'religious freaks' were all fukkin' ALLIES of the US and the CIA at one point.... So, they aint religious freaks when they can be of use against the Soviet War machine, but now that they're reacting against being stabbed IN THE FUKKIN BACK by the Yanks over the Middle East, all of a sudden they're nutters and freaks.... Bollocks mate. dont believe it for a second... The US negotiated with them once, it can be done again, the Western Capitalist system will negotiate with anyone if it's in their interests ultimately (as they DID do deals with the likes of Saddam, Idi Amin, Pinochet and other unpleasant types, the US even did backroom deals with Hitler in the 30s lest we forget.. As for these days, look to 'former enemies' such as China - part of the 'evil empire' -, Libya, etc..).... All they have to do is to actually play fair and actually honour deals that are made..... Oh, but of course, 'honour' is a concept the fukkin US Neo Cons have absolutely no understanding of (no profit in it for them.. -_- ), all they understand it the 'almighty Dollar' and they'll sell us ALL down the fukkin' lake of fire if there was a buck in it for them, make no mistake about that mate. You think these people actually GIVE A FUKK about what happened to people on 9/11 or in Madrid, or in July 7th....????? They're just pissed that their shares took a dump on these days...

 

The problems that exist in the world now are entirely of the US Neo-Cons/New World Order's (delete as appropriate..) making, and it's about time we realised that and told them to p!ss off and sort it out instead of just kissing arse and capitulating to Bush and the Multinationals....

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