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Seems to have worked. This is the kind of no nonsense tactic the UK should have with certain countries to be honest. It gets things done. These countries sell into the US they need the US much more than the other way around.

 

Migrants are not criminals. It is inhumane to treat them as such by loading them onto military planes.

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Meanwhile I also noted this with disgust earlier today:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/ja...ing-biden-pause

Trump’s Gaza proposal rejected by allies and condemned as ethnic cleansing plan

 

US president has suggested Palestinians should leave Gaza for neighbouring countries to ‘just clean out’ whole strip

Emma Graham-Harrison in Jerusalem

 

Donald Trump’s proposal that large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip has been rejected by US allies in the region and attacked as dangerous, illegal and unworkable by lawyers and activists.

 

oh but he's the right choice for peace in Palestine isn't he

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Seems to have worked. This is the kind of no nonsense tactic the UK should have with certain countries to be honest. It gets things done. These countries sell into the US they need the US much more than the other way around.

 

It doesn't, it just pisses people off and makes China stronger. That show of locking them up was something akin to North Korea.

 

Like I've always said, this isolationism period for America is going to piss off the rest of the world. Everyone needs friends, it's not good for the long term.

Personally I'm of the opinion that Trump cheated to win, however, I still think that the position of abstaining "because Kamala supported genocide!1" thinking a Trump win might be better was always manifestly ignorant and tbh quite privileged.
It doesn't, it just pisses people off and makes China stronger. That show of locking them up was something akin to North Korea.

 

Like I've always said, this isolationism period for America is going to piss off the rest of the world. Everyone needs friends, it's not good for the long term.

 

It literally worked I don’t get the thought process? This is not a cute world where people can live in fantasy idealism. You cannot have people just coming from everywhere whenever they want to with no checks or deterrents. What Trump did laid down a huge line for other countries they now won’t cross. It amplifies what he’s doing which will be a significant deterrent to those thinking of entering the US illegally and he looks strong and powerful.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo That’s the headline. “Colombia backs down” the whole world can see that headline. Trump and the US look strong and it is a strong message to those who were considering entering illegally too.

 

Let’s quickly contrast that to Britain where a grooming gang leader who raped numerous children was told he’ll be deported nine years ago and after two lengthy legal battles where he lost both appeals he still remains in the city working for Deliveroo believe it or not less than a mile away from the girls he abused https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/22...t-yet-deported/ Pakistan simply said we’re not taking him back and the UK is too cowardly to do anything about it.

 

It’s not difficult to see which country is getting it right here. Doing the right thing for your citizens isn’t isolationism. You’re not supposed to make your country weaker to please others. Have you guys ever been in business people respect you a lot more when you’re tough to deal with, if you’re a walkover they will walk over you and show you no respect. Thats just how it works. The UK is a walkover and Trump is actually trying to portray a loud message that the US will not be. Look at the Rwanda madness the UK did they paid them billions and in the end deported 20 people all of whom they had to bribe with significant sums to go. Just so weak. Of course that’s only going to attract more people because there’s no deterrent.

It literally worked I don’t get the thought process? This is not a cute world where people can live in fantasy idealism. You cannot have people just coming from everywhere whenever they want to with no checks or deterrents. What Trump did laid down a huge line for other countries they now won’t cross. It amplifies what he’s doing which will be a significant deterrent to those thinking of entering the US illegally and he looks strong and powerful.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo That’s the headline. “Colombia backs down” the whole world can see that headline. Trump and the US look strong and it is a strong message to those who were considering entering illegally too.

 

Let’s quickly contrast that to Britain where a grooming gang leader who raped numerous children was told he’ll be deported nine years ago and after two lengthy legal battles where he lost both appeals he still remains in the city working for Deliveroo believe it or not less than a mile away from the girls he abused https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/22...t-yet-deported/ Pakistan simply said we’re not taking him back and the UK is too cowardly to do anything about it.

 

It’s not difficult to see which country is getting it right here. Doing the right thing for your citizens isn’t isolationism. You’re not supposed to make your country weaker to please others. Have you guys ever been in business people respect you a lot more when you’re tough to deal with, if you’re a walkover they will walk over you and show you no respect. Thats just how it works. The UK is a walkover and Trump is actually trying to portray a loud message that the US will not be. Look at the Rwanda madness the UK did they paid them billions and in the end deported 20 people all of whom they had to bribe with significant sums to go. Just so weak. Of course that’s only going to attract more people because there’s no deterrent.

 

Migrants are not criminals. It is inhumane to treat them as such by loading them onto military planes.

 

Well entering a country illegally is kind of illegal. So that is a crime. Then not to mention a lot of the people entering are in fact criminals who wouldn’t ever get a visa properly because of that fact hence why they have to enter illegally. They’re not deporting anybody who is a ‘migrant’ these are illegal and we don’t know if they’re criminals in their own country or if they’ve committed crimes on US soil but judging by the fact they usually target those first it’s a real likelihood.

 

Personally I'm of the opinion that Trump cheated to win, however, I still think that the position of abstaining "because Kamala supported genocide!1" thinking a Trump win might be better was always manifestly ignorant and tbh quite privileged.

 

So what was your opinion of the radical Trumpers or Trump himself who kept claiming 2020 was rigged? Why can you almost certainly think he’s talking rubbish or his supporters or cultish and deluded but then you reach the same conclusion as them when the results change? Do you not see a flaw in this thinking?

 

The people thinking Trump cheated are literally no different to his own super fanatical supporters it’s so absence of evidence. It absolutely not did happen both times. Trump claiming it was rigged was nonsense. Same thing this time. The polls consistently predicted a Trump win did he cheat those too? It’s so silly.

 

And why would you write genocide in that way like it’s a made up thing? They killed at minimum 50 thousand people with a large amount being children under 10. It literally was done under the guise of retribution and genocidal. From cutting off water and food supply to containing psychological bombing throughout the night and continued displacement. This was all allowed and funded by Biden & Harris and you think they deserved a vote or it was privileged to not reward them with support? Just totally no feeling for what took place. The biggest indicator that’s the right stance is the Palestinians/Gazans themselves. Almost all of those endorsed that view that you shouldn’t support those people. Nothing is more privileged than thinking genocide is a word like fascist people just throw around for fun, it actually was. There were daily war crimes and it don’t matter what Trump does or doesn’t do it definitely was the right decision not to reward genocide with a vote. That kind of message is the end for any claim of decency or morals. Now it’s up to them to become better people if they want to win elections.

 

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It literally worked I don’t get the thought process? This is not a cute world where people can live in fantasy idealism. You cannot have people just coming from everywhere whenever they want to with no checks or deterrents. What Trump did laid down a huge line for other countries they now won’t cross. It amplifies what he’s doing which will be a significant deterrent to those thinking of entering the US illegally and he looks strong and powerful.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20p36e62gyo That’s the headline. “Colombia backs down” the whole world can see that headline. Trump and the US look strong and it is a strong message to those who were considering entering illegally too.

 

Let’s quickly contrast that to Britain where a grooming gang leader who raped numerous children was told he’ll be deported nine years ago and after two lengthy legal battles where he lost both appeals he still remains in the city working for Deliveroo believe it or not less than a mile away from the girls he abused https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/22...t-yet-deported/ Pakistan simply said we’re not taking him back and the UK is too cowardly to do anything about it.

 

It’s not difficult to see which country is getting it right here. Doing the right thing for your citizens isn’t isolationism. You’re not supposed to make your country weaker to please others. Have you guys ever been in business people respect you a lot more when you’re tough to deal with, if you’re a walkover they will walk over you and show you no respect. Thats just how it works. The UK is a walkover and Trump is actually trying to portray a loud message that the US will not be. Look at the Rwanda madness the UK did they paid them billions and in the end deported 20 people all of whom they had to bribe with significant sums to go. Just so weak. Of course that’s only going to attract more people because there’s no deterrent.

 

America have been sending illegals back for years. Trump’s stunt was inhumane, these are still people at the end of the day. This period of us moving back in to authorisation is stupid, we don’t need another tin pot dictator.

 

Funny enough I do work in business and also funny enough most good businesses are strong, but also understand the need of good leadership. Most people who claim the greasy spoon get so far up the chain, only to realise the amount of people they’ve pissed off along the way, so when it gets rocky, they have no one to look after their back. Going for the brass bully in business only gets you so far before people turn against you. Trump loves a show, he’s got that. But longer term this is not good.

 

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Talking tough may get you short-term wins, but it's going to be hard to cooperate with Latin American countries now - if I were Colombia's government I would be thinking of pivoting away reliance on the US for trade so this doesn't happen again, not least because they themselves may be under threat internally. It does nothing to address the push-and-pull factors of why migrants exist. Trump's not spending anything on making Colombia a more attractive place so migrants don't leave it for the US. Until that happens, migrants will keep trying. It shouldn't even be a burden as immigrants do amazing things for a country's economy.

 

Also there is just no need to put people in chains and on military planes at great expense. I haven't seen how many of these are criminals, but I really doubt it was a majority of them.

 

I'd much rather live in a country that deals with these things humanely and under a court of law that respects their rights as people, and works with the international community rather than against them, even if it takes longer. Far fewer problems down the line.

Personally I'm of the opinion that Trump cheated to win, however, I still think that the position of abstaining "because Kamala supported genocide!1" thinking a Trump win might be better was always manifestly ignorant and tbh quite privileged.

 

100% agreed

He was screaming about Kamala winning before, saying how it would be a disgrace. However... Look at Trump and Palestine. Kamala wasn't even president, and was pushing for peace on her campaign trail, as the only thing she could do (and probably said the same to Biden in private too). But nooo, crazy Trump is the better choice for Palestine :lol:
Trump's had a huge row on the phone with the PM of Denmark. She told him Greenland is not for sale and he says America will take it whether it is or isn't. LOL.

 

*Gets the popcorn in for the next 4 years" Should be fun folks...if this first few days is anything to go by... :D

Oh yeah SUPER FUN. Do you have a single brain cell left you unbearable chaos goblin? That response is of a sociopath.

He was screaming about Kamala winning before, saying how it would be a disgrace. However... Look at Trump and Palestine. Kamala wasn't even president, and was pushing for peace on her campaign trail, as the only thing she could do (and probably said the same to Biden in private too). But nooo, crazy Trump is the better choice for Palestine :lol:

 

What exactly did Kamala do or propose for that situation? Nothing whatsoever except reaffirm the status quo. Right now the killing has stopped, people are returning home(what’s left of it) so things have clearly improved since Trump won.

 

Being annoyed at people who saw genocide as a redline rather than those complicit in it is an odd stance would say.

 

If Trump oversaw the last 18 months it would cause the same reaction among most people. The problem is trying to excuse a genocide by inventing a hypothetical scenario where you assume Trump would do the same or worse to excuse Biden/Harris, that’s just mental gymnastics.

 

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Nobody who cared is going to say oh yeah we should excuse an 18 month barrage of evil war crimes because Trump’s rhetoric is a bit too loud.

 

I saw this earlier it was a pretty good summary of the reaction going on social media @1884091404135039004

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What exactly did Kamala do or propose for that situation? Nothing whatsoever except reaffirm the status quo. Right now the killing has stopped, people are returning home(what’s left of it) so things have clearly improved since Trump won.

 

Being annoyed at people who saw genocide as a redline rather than those complicit in it is an odd stance would say.

 

If Trump oversaw the last 18 months it would cause the same reaction among most people. The problem is trying to excuse a genocide by inventing a hypothetical scenario where you assume Trump would do the same or worse to excuse Biden/Harris, that’s just mental gymnastics.

 

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Nobody who cared is going to say oh yeah we should excuse an 18 month barrage of evil war crimes because Trump’s rhetoric is a bit too loud.

 

I saw this earlier it was a pretty good summary of the reaction going on social media @1884091404135039004

 

Is this a joke?? Biden got the ceasefire. Trump just waltzed in a few days later and took credit for it and you right wingers are eating up his lies ... as it absolves you from supporting Kamala...

 

Kamala was not president. Her tone was VERY different to bellicose Trump's, who is now saying he wants to send all the Palestinians, that's ALL of ghem, to Jordan and Egypt... If the Biden ceasefire fails, Trump will put no limits on weapons to Israel. He already said it.

 

Also, if Trump really WERE the president of peace - he's not. It's artifice. He's juet obsessed with achieving whatever Obama achieved - wouldn't he be offering words of censure to Israel? No? Nothing? Not a peep? The only thing he has done so far is parrot the hardliners in Israel about relocation!!!!!! That's not exactly peaceful. It's Biden's ceasfire deal btw. The right just love crediting it to Trump.

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I have no real interest in defending Democrats over Israel, they didn't pull back funding of an ally that had gone insane as they should have, but no amount of poorly-sourced tweets will have me convinced they did anything more than try, limply, to move Israel towards peace and responsibility in their war with Hamas. It's always been particularly egregious to lump Harris in with Biden too, Biden might have had ideological favourability towards Israel and had control over foreign policy, Harris really... didn't.

 

Insisting otherwise, that they were responsible for the genocide, both looks insane to people who don't follow the war closely enough (a recent Question Time broaching of the subject and the coverage the released hostages have been getting on media shows that it's very common to still think of it as Israel retaliating to terrorism) and more importantly in my view, takes agency away from the real active actors, the Israeli government and military.

 

But Meekul is correct, the ceasefire was achieved under Biden - Trump may have helped but these deals always take time and it certainly wasn't only won because he was the incoming president.

If the ceasefire deal collapses, Trump will immediately insist that the deal was nothing to do with him.

That's his trademark move.

I can't stand the man and the nonsense he talks.

Anyone just heard Trump's news conference? He's already blaming the Air Traffic Controller who was talking to the USAF helicopter pilot. He says Biden let mentally ill people in to the job and autistic people too and mentioned people with no limbs. Rabbited on and on. Why can't he wait and let the investigators do their jobs? He's not qualified to assess what went wrong. This was in darkness as experts are saying.
Anyone just heard Trump's news conference? He's already blaming the Air Traffic Controller who was talking to the USAF helicopter pilot. He says Biden let mentally ill people in to the job and autistic people too and mentioned people with no limbs. Rabbited on and on. Why can't he wait and let the investigators do their jobs? He's not qualified to assess what went wrong. This was in darkness as experts are saying.

 

Oh I don't know, maybe as the guy is a complete spoon? Basically trying to recreate Gillead.

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