oh PLEASE!!!!!!!

 

Are you telling me that the evil Catholic church, with its levelling of guilt to its 'followers' hasn't caused MASSIVE suicide rates amongst especially the young gay Catholics?

 

You're talking religious twaddle.

 

Absolute, utter twaddle.

 

And as for your very thoughtful 'tolerance' of these heinous gays.... I BARELY tolerate people as conservative, pious and nonsensical (ie. religious) as you. How dare a fictional book and your lack of social skills make you think you have the right to judge and condemn others.

 

Yeah absolutely, this is the first time I have read this thread properly and reading JJN's posts makes me wonder whether fukkin David Koresh really did die at Waco at all and is now infact posting on here :rolleyes:

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also.. suicide bombers.... surely another damaging product of religion gone mad....

 

Religion and religious people sicken me to the pit of my stomach. It's self-righteousness taken to the very max. Abhorrent.

 

It, and they, cause ALL the trouble we have on the earth at this moment (and historically, too).

 

Why oh why can't we just close down all the churches, all the mosques..... wipe religion totally off the face of the earth. Ban it - entirely.

 

Oh what a wonderful world that would be....

also.. suicide bombers.... surely another damaging product of religion gone mad....

 

Religion and religious people sicken me to the pit of my stomach. It's self-righteousness taken to the very max. Abhorrent.

 

It, and they, cause ALL the trouble we have on the earth at this moment (and historically, too).

 

Why oh why can't we just close down all the churches, all the mosques..... wipe religion totally off the face of the earth. Ban it - entirely.

 

Oh what a wonderful world that would be....

 

FULL TRUTH

 

JJN is a classic example of why all religions should be banned, the fact that somehow he reckons he is superior and his life superior to ours and that we are inferior beings who are not capable of having real friends is classic example of how religion brainwashes people and promotes bigotry

 

Add to your list the fukkin catholic church wiping out large chunks of Africa through AIDS, add to that the VILE ban on stem cell research

 

Religion of all kinds should be banned

The following comes from an atheist website:

 

Are joy and relief from anxiety the province solely of religious people, or can atheists experience them, as well?

 

The joy that religious people seem to experience is so strong that we atheists wonder if we are missing out on what is most important in life. When we see pictures of church people holding hands and swaying with ecstacy, we wonder why they are privileged and we are not.

 

Anyone who has experienced religious joy knows what a marvelous, wonderful, delightful feeling it is. When I was in my early twenties, I joined a Quaker commune in California. Our house was in the middle of fields of tomatoes. I was thrilled to be living near the land, and I loved the members of the commune. Our Quaker meetings Sunday mornings were joyful occasions. On one particular Sunday morning I was flooded with love for the children attending the meeting.

 

When a person experiences religious joy, the heart is indeed lifted up. This lifting up is recognized by other people, who are happy just being with the joyful person, and so religious joy is increased by its effects on other people.

 

The key element in joy seems to be a basic trust in the world - for the time being we see the world as trustworthy or, at the least, manageable. We feel that we belong. We live in a safe place. Instead of being concerned about our safety, the effect we are having on other people, our future, or other considerations, we inhabit a land where we accept others and ourselves, freely. We are afloat on the thrust of the present moment. This trust can be seen in any person who is absorbed in any larger undertaking - the religious person at a church service, the surgeon, the seamstress, the artist, the craftsman, the student, the reader, each one deeply involved in what he or she is doing. However, religious joy is something special.

 

Before the age of science, and particularly before Darwin, religious explanations of life made as much sense as any. Only with science and with Darwin did we realize that nature is cruel, with a food chain in which more powerful creatures eat less powerful creatures. Nature with a food chain cannot be the creation of a beneficent creator.

 

Does this impossibility of religious faith mean that atheists are excluded from life's most marvelous, wonderful, delightful feeling? I'm afraid that I must answer, it does. It seems to be true that only through ignorance and superstition can a person avoid the anxieties of living and experience ecstatic joy. Only religion can perpetuate the sheer delight of a visit from Santa Claus. Atheists know how empty is the belief in the promise of an afterlife, the belief in the power of prayer, and the belief that God is looking after us. We know that religious joy is a house of cards. It is immature. It does not earn our respect. Our knowledge excludes us from religious joy. Does it also exclude us from freedom from anxiety?

 

Link: http://www.teacherneedhelp.com/anxiety/

 

fukkin hell talk about stereotyping :rolleyes: the idea that you have to be a bible basher to have REAL friends is utterly absurd not to mention patronising, I am non religious and have a very wide circle of friends some of who I have known for 20 odd years, some who I have helped when they have had problems, some who have helped me when I have had problems, my very best friends I would take a bullet for so the idea that they are fake shallow friends who would desert me just because I don't read the bible is deeply offensive not only to me but to them. Please engage your brain in future before spouting such condascending rubbish :rolleyes:

 

I didn´t use such type of generalization. I´m not such an intolerant like anti-christians here, I don´t hate people who are different then me. Why didn´t you put a similar response to the guy who said religious is for socially inept people with no friends, the guy that thinks if you don´t have sex with another men you have a mental block... lol.

oh PLEASE!!!!!!!

 

Are you telling me that the evil Catholic church, with its levelling of guilt to its 'followers' hasn't caused MASSIVE suicide rates amongst especially the young gay Catholics?

 

You're talking religious twaddle.

 

Absolute, utter twaddle.

 

And as for your very thoughtful 'tolerance' of these heinous gays.... I BARELY tolerate people as conservative, pious and nonsensical (ie. religious) as you. How dare a fictional book and your lack of social skills make you think you have the right to judge and condemn others.

 

I don´t judge or condemn others. After all this is a part of my religious beliefs (don´t judge if you don´t want to be judged - the measure you judge will be the measure you will be judged - remember the author of these phrases?).

 

And how dare someone with such a deep religious intolerance talk about "tolerance", if I had offended gay people 1/10 of the way you offend religious people there will be a march in front of my house.

also.. suicide bombers.... surely another damaging product of religion gone mad....

 

Religion and religious people sicken me to the pit of my stomach. It's self-righteousness taken to the very max. Abhorrent.

 

It, and they, cause ALL the trouble we have on the earth at this moment (and historically, too).

 

Why oh why can't we just close down all the churches, all the mosques..... wipe religion totally off the face of the earth. Ban it - entirely.

 

Oh what a wonderful world that would be....

 

Come on, you finally show us your intolerant face. Makes Bin Laden sound like a total liberal guy.

 

Certainly all the problems we have... drugs, crimes, prostitution, wars, etc... all because of "religion". Religion is to you what jews and witches were to medieval people. Will you tell me that the global warming is because of the Bible?

 

Suicide bombers... I don´t talk of it because it´s not from my religion, it´s from a religion I barely known. Certainly to kill somebody and commit suicide is a horrendous crime acording to my religion.

FULL TRUTH

 

JJN is a classic example of why all religions should be banned, the fact that somehow he reckons he is superior and his life superior to ours and that we are inferior beings who are not capable of having real friends is classic example of how religion brainwashes people and promotes bigotry

 

Add to your list the fukkin catholic church wiping out large chunks of Africa through AIDS, add to that the VILE ban on stem cell research

 

Religion of all kinds should be banned

 

And this is a classic example of medieval thinking...

 

Could you please quote me where I have commited the things you acuse me? Otherwise I will just have to believe you say that out of ignorance and prejudice.

 

Wasn´t your gay friend the 1st one who LITERALLY said religion is for people who can´t have friends. How will you criticize me after that?

I didn´t use such type of generalization. I´m not such an intolerant like anti-christians here, I don´t hate people who are different then me. Why didn´t you put a similar response to the guy who said religious is for socially inept people with no friends, the guy that thinks if you don´t have sex with another men you have a mental block... lol.

 

Homosexuality is not a threat to me, I am 100% straight and always will be but I respect the right of anyone to have the sex life they choose so long as it does not involve animals or minors, I am a lot more tolerant of homosexuality than I am religion as I do not see homosexuality affecting my life or the world

 

Is a homosexual likely to blow up my train or my tube when I go to work ? no but a religious zealot might well do

 

Is homosexuality likely to cause a war ? no but religion does

 

Is homosexuality killing millions in Africa through AIDS ? no but religion is

 

Homosexuality is not a threat to the world or world peace or world security, religion IS, especially Islam and the catholic church but christianity too yes, I think ALL religions should be banned not just christianity but muslim religion, catholic religion, jewish religion, EVERYTHING

Could you please quote me where I have commited the things you acuse me?

 

Sure :) You wrote....And that explains the fact that depression, suicide thoughts, and reading books about helping yourself are way less popular among religious people... scientifically proved. It must be why in mainly atheist countries like Japan or Finlad you get a much bigger average suicides, and people with a much colder social life (or even people who have 300 "friends" but not one they can call brother or confident.) I´d rather have 5 close friends whose mothers I can call my mother, then 300 friends of drinking and party who probably don´t even know my complete name and will get distant when the 1st problems appears. I never knew someone who uses religion as a substitute to family and friends.

 

That directly suggested that you can not have true friends unless you are religious

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Homosexuality is not a threat to me, I am 100% straight and always will be but I respect the right of anyone to have the sex life they choose so long as it does not involve animals or minors, I am a lot more tolerant of homosexuality than I am religion as I do not see homosexuality affecting my life or the world

 

Is a homosexual likely to blow up my train or my tube when I go to work ? no but a religious zealot might well do

 

Is homosexuality likely to cause a war ? no but religion does

 

Is homosexuality killing millions in Africa through AIDS ? no but religion is

 

Homosexuality is not a threat to the world or world peace or world security, religion IS, especially Islam and the catholic church but christianity too yes, I think ALL religions should be banned not just christianity but muslim religion, catholic religion, jewish religion, EVERYTHING

 

I didn´t know that moral perfection and no flaws were also characteristics of homossexuals... Certainly you think no homo has ever killed, murdered or rapped somebody? Last time I checked on the church they didn´t have any train blowing or homossexual murder programmed... Blame criminals for crime. I don´t talk about other religions but for christianity anyone who kills or threat other human being, be it homo, hetero, black, white, atheist or christian, or even an unborn, has commited a serious sin. Be more responsible with your acusations. If the Catholic Church is the only one to blame for AIDS then all catholic countries should be fully infected, how come it only happen in poor african countries, including non-catholic countries? Take care of your prejudices, and whatever, I won´t defend the catholic church, I am not catholic and I am not taking the whole weight of the world in my shoulders, I will not be blamed for anything wrong done in an universe of billions of people who consider themselves religious.

Sure :) You wrote....And that explains the fact that depression, suicide thoughts, and reading books about helping yourself are way less popular among religious people... scientifically proved. It must be why in mainly atheist countries like Japan or Finlad you get a much bigger average suicides, and people with a much colder social life (or even people who have 300 "friends" but not one they can call brother or confident.) I´d rather have 5 close friends whose mothers I can call my mother, then 300 friends of drinking and party who probably don´t even know my complete name and will get distant when the 1st problems appears. I never knew someone who uses religion as a substitute to family and friends.

 

That directly suggested that you can not have true friends unless you are religious

 

So next time remind me of being more explicit like this:

as Scott quite rightly states, religion is usually a crutch for rather lonely, sad, introverted, conservative, socially inept people.

 

And the stuff I said is not more offensive then this, and has statistics to back it, suicide and depression is more common among non-religious populations.

don´t judge if you don´t want to be judged - the measure you judge will be the measure you will be judged - remember the author of these phrases

 

err... no. Should I?

So next time remind me of being more explicit like this:

And the stuff I said is not more offensive then this, and has statistics to back it, suicide and depression is more common among non-religious populations.

 

Scott and Russ and so on are NOT me they have their own independent views from me what Scott and Russ think is a matter for them not for me.

 

I have more sympathy with their line of thinking than I do yours yes, I am anti ALL religions, religions brainwash people, makes them devoid of independent thinking, gives them faith in someone who does not exist (god) instead of them having faith in themselves, religion for me is for the mentally weak who can not help themselves and instead base their lives on what some fictional book tells them (bible / koran etc) instead of being able to think independently. They lose all sense of personal responsibility and instead base their lives round that book

So next time remind me of being more explicit like this:

And the stuff I said is not more offensive then this, and has statistics to back it, suicide and depression is more common among non-religious populations.

 

I stand by every word of my rant about he zealots like yourself... religion IS a crutch for people who find it difficult to socialise nomally with others (not only in bar/nightclub surroundings, either), it IS for people who are usually rather empty, rather low and desperate, it IS for people who are conservative - you HAVE to be conservative to follow ANY religion.

 

I think people who blindly follow religion need psychological help and counselling. It's tragic that in this age of mass communication, they still feel the need to talk to themselves and to talk to their little invisible friends. Bizarre, really.

 

And as for referring to me as someone's 'gay friend'... again, how dare you attempt to belittle me and define me by what I do sexually. It's a testament to your own personal insecurity, intolerance and inherant prejudice that you do this... and I rather pity you for it.

 

As I mentioned on another thread, it appears you didn't have a very liberal and loving upbringing. Again, this deserves pity, not scorn... but it does appear to have affected and tainted your views on non-believers (and gays).

I didn´t know that moral perfection and no flaws were also characteristics of homossexuals... Certainly you think no homo has ever killed, murdered or rapped somebody? Last time I checked on the church they didn´t have any train blowing or homossexual murder programmed... Blame criminals for crime. I don´t talk about other religions but for christianity anyone who kills or threat other human being, be it homo, hetero, black, white, atheist or christian, or even an unborn, has commited a serious sin. Be more responsible with your acusations. If the Catholic Church is the only one to blame for AIDS then all catholic countries should be fully infected, how come it only happen in poor african countries, including non-catholic countries? Take care of your prejudices, and whatever, I won´t defend the catholic church, I am not catholic and I am not taking the whole weight of the world in my shoulders, I will not be blamed for anything wrong done in an universe of billions of people who consider themselves religious.

 

I am NOT referring to christianity or you or any other person I am talking about religion in general, ALL religions, muslims, jews, catholics, christians, jehovas fukkin witnesses, mormons, moonies and any other religion or cult you care to mention, millions more times deaths and crimes have been committed in the name of religion than have been committed in the name of homosexuality !

I didn´t know that moral perfection and no flaws were also characteristics of homossexuals... Certainly you think no homo has ever killed, murdered or rapped somebody? Last time I checked on the church they didn´t have any train blowing or homossexual murder programmed... Blame criminals for crime. I don´t talk about other religions but for christianity anyone who kills or threat other human being, be it homo, hetero, black, white, atheist or christian, or even an unborn, has commited a serious sin. Be more responsible with your acusations. If the Catholic Church is the only one to blame for AIDS then all catholic countries should be fully infected, how come it only happen in poor african countries, including non-catholic countries? Take care of your prejudices, and whatever, I won´t defend the catholic church, I am not catholic and I am not taking the whole weight of the world in my shoulders, I will not be blamed for anything wrong done in an universe of billions of people who consider themselves religious.

 

double post, thanks f***ing NTL !

Edited February 28, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

I didn´t know that moral perfection and no flaws were also characteristics of homossexuals... Certainly you think no homo has ever killed, murdered or rapped somebody? Last time I checked on the church they didn´t have any train blowing or homossexual murder programmed... Blame criminals for crime. I don´t talk about other religions but for christianity anyone who kills or threat other human being, be it homo, hetero, black, white, atheist or christian, or even an unborn, has commited a serious sin. Be more responsible with your acusations. If the Catholic Church is the only one to blame for AIDS then all catholic countries should be fully infected, how come it only happen in poor african countries, including non-catholic countries? Take care of your prejudices, and whatever, I won´t defend the catholic church, I am not catholic and I am not taking the whole weight of the world in my shoulders, I will not be blamed for anything wrong done in an universe of billions of people who consider themselves religious.

 

triple post thanks to fukkin ntl !

Edited February 28, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

I didn´t know that moral perfection and no flaws were also characteristics of homossexuals... Certainly you think no homo has ever killed, murdered or rapped somebody? Last time I checked on the church they didn´t have any train blowing or homossexual murder programmed... Blame criminals for crime. I don´t talk about other religions but for christianity anyone who kills or threat other human being, be it homo, hetero, black, white, atheist or christian, or even an unborn, has commited a serious sin. Be more responsible with your acusations. If the Catholic Church is the only one to blame for AIDS then all catholic countries should be fully infected, how come it only happen in poor african countries, including non-catholic countries? Take care of your prejudices, and whatever, I won´t defend the catholic church, I am not catholic and I am not taking the whole weight of the world in my shoulders, I will not be blamed for anything wrong done in an universe of billions of people who consider themselves religious.

 

Quadruple post thanks to fukkin NTL !

Edited February 28, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

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