Yeah but if lets say I see a good looking guy on a beach for example I do not go all warm and fuzzy inside etc and then use willpower to turn myself off the guy which would surely be the case if I am doing what society tells me to do, I am simply not getting the urges in the first place, if what you say was the case I would be staring at this guy and eyeing him up, visually undressing him then saying to myself "nah don't do that Craig what would mum say" but thats not the case at all I simply get no urge to look at him in any way shape or form but if I see a hot looking girl on the beach its a different story lol can't take my eyes off her but not because of what my mum thinks or society thinks but because thats the way I am, I haven't got even 0.1% gayness in me

I agree you get no urge, but the urge is created from you conditioning.

I'm not saying you get an urge and suppress it, you'll not get an urge because you are wired up from a very young age not to get it.

The conditioning you have works at the unconscious level.

 

But what about all these Muslims who are 'disowned' for being gay then? :huh: Surely they're brought up in a way that'd mean they couldn't possibly be gay going by that logic.

Perhaps in such a case those individuals did not receive enough conditioning to surpress there true sexual feelings.

 

LOL LOL LOL

 

Sure he can :)

QUOTE(e-motion @ Feb 26 2007, 05:29 PM)

You don't feel gay because you have be brought up in a family and a society, school, media etc where being gay was not the norm, in fact in your case, in a generation where being gay was completely abnormal and a sin against God. With the wrath of God, your parents and family and your teachers all against gays - everyone as a youngest you learn your conditioning would have been deeply set.

If you where born at certain times of the Roman empire where all men where gay you certainly would of been gay also and not thought twice about it.

 

 

i dont accept that m8... i was brought up in a family with both parents and i had 3 sisters. we didnt know about sex, let alone homosexuality but i was, as far as i can remember, interested in girls. how many gay men here were brought up "conditioned" in a straight household?... didnt work did it!!!!!

 

i dont believe you are conditioned, if so why cant being gay, or any other form of sexuality be cured?.. no amount of conditioning can make me gay, it aint in me, never has been.

I agree you get no urge, but the urge is created from you conditioning.

I'm not saying you get an urge and suppress it, you'll not get an urge because you are wired up from a very young age not to get it.

The conditioning you have works at the unconscious level.

 

 

way off the mark.... you are born with various traits in place, tastes, depending upon your lifestyle some get used, others dont. the 'conditioning' you talk about is inherant trait. you cant 'create' a gay person. back in the 70's when being gay was taboo gay men tried their hardest not to be gay... "sing if youre glad to be gay, sing if youre happy that way"... (this was irony).. i know of christian men who prayed to god to be straight... it didnt work.. my point is that if you can be 'conditioned' into something, then you can be 'un-conditioned', you cant un-conditioned from your inherant traits that you are born with.

People are born gay I think, you don't just turn gay, the guy has mental problems I think if he can "cure" gays, all the gays I know are proud of what they are

 

in american theres loads of these dudes. esp in the v religious states (see top gear the other week for eg)

very true... Muhammed... nothing but a paedophile.

 

When Muhammed was about 50 years old he had dreams of marrying a child, Aisha, who was only about 4-5 years old. The Koran tells us that when he first slept with Aisha she was only nine years old, and that she then remained with him for the last nine years of his life. Muhammed was 53 years old when he first slept with the 9-year old child Aisha. When he dreamed of marrying her she was six years old, or younger, so Muhammed was about 50 years old then.

 

And the Muslims think gays are disgusting?!?!? :rolleyes:

 

Lol, isn´t that a perfect biography for a moral reference to 1 billion people...

well said...

 

and as for the 'tiny minority' of people who are gay.... officially it's 10%, that's 1 in 10... "fficially".. hardly a 'small minority'... however, that figure is much, much more. It seems we live in an age where bisexuality comes in and out of fashion... nothing, no-one will convince me from my thinking that to some degree, EVERYONE is totally bisexual... but some people just aint that adventurous in bed, and some people just don't want to explore their sexual side.... thankfully, many do.

 

And where do this "official" statistics come from? And why is there a fact that homossexuality among women is waaay less common then it is among men, even tough in most places it´s more tolerated? Surely if it was something so natural among men they wouldn´t need artificial stuff (lubrification) to consumate the sexual act? And then if everyone was bisexual we wouldn´t have 100% gay or 100% lesbians, because there are really some people who don´t feel ANY atraction for the opposite sex. Surely it´s not a mind block that makes people chose the less acepted sexuality in society.

Oh this sounds too interesting, how?

If you don\'t like it Charis please f*** off and don\'t fukkin read it

 

 

And where do this "official" statistics come from? And why is there a fact that homossexuality among women is waaay less common then it is among men, even tough in most places it´s more tolerated?

 

Where do any official stats come from? The closest I got to an explanation was here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/gayrights/story/...1664827,00.html

The figure quoted here is 1 in 16... adults.

 

Surely if it was something so natural among men they wouldn´t need artificial stuff (lubrification) to consumate the sexual act?

 

Oh dear - you're as ill-informed and ill-educated as you're religious, it seems. Gays are not the only people to have anal sex. In fact, very few of my large group of gay friends actually HAS anal sex - it seems to be far more fascinating for straights these days.... and are you that inexperienced that you think you don't need lubrication for straight sex? Really? The rather stupid straight masses believe all gays do is go round rogering each other up the rectum.

 

Wrong....

 

if everyone was bisexual we wouldn´t have 100% gay or 100% lesbians, because there are really some people who don´t feel ANY atraction for the opposite sex. Surely it´s not a mind block that makes people chose the less acepted sexuality in society.

 

I don't believe humans are 100% gay OR straight. Human sexuality is fluid. It is more prevalent with some than others, the desire to sleep with someone of the same sex.... but EVERY human being is entirely capable PHYSICALLY of sleeping with someone, and being aroused by it, of their own gender. However, MENTALLY, some are unable to entertain the idea. It's a MENTAL block - not a physical one.

 

And with your last line, you have made it perfectly clear that not only do you, ahem, 'tolerate' gays, you think they're unacceptable too. How ridiculous of you.

Edited February 27, 200718 yr by russt68

Charis is probably wondering which, if ANY, of his beloved Westlife are straight..... I reckon Louis Walsh has been through each and every one of them.

 

Twice. :puke2:

I don't believe humans are 100% gay OR straight. Human sexuality is fluid. . It's a MENTAL block - not a physical one.

 

i dont agree... i think humans are born with a degree of homosexuality inherant, on a sliding scale from 0% to 100%. i know that different tastes have phases of manifestation throughout your life at some point depending upon your environment/oportunity. however i know that its possible to be 100% straight because i am! ive never had the urge, the interest or the attraction in any form to another male.

 

it IS a physical one, i have never dictated what my member rises too! it has done it all my life upon its own impulse! it wasnt my mind telling it to rise, it was something i saw or heard about or thought about... it wasnt planned, constructed, it either 'did it' for me or it didnt, i acted upon who i am, not who i wanted to be (cos i wanted to be don juan with loads of sex, but im not like that...bugger! sex to me should be part of a loving relationship, i cant do casual... but i wanted too!!!)

Surely if it was something so natural among men they wouldn´t need artificial stuff (lubrification) to consumate the sexual act?

 

Well I am sorry for being a bit graphic here, but then why have doctors confirmed that the prostate is also like a G-spot, similar to the g-spot in a womans vagina?

 

Surely that just wasn't just a coincidence -_-

 

Just because are bodies don't produce something doesn't mean something is unnatural. That's almost like saying, well my body doesn't produce the anti-body to kill of my flu...so I guess I will just die now.

 

Where do any official stats come from? The closest I got to an explanation was here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/gayrights/story/...1664827,00.html

The figure quoted here is 1 in 16... adults.

Oh dear - you're as ill-informed and ill-educated as you're religious, it seems. Gays are not the only people to have anal sex. In fact, very few of my large group of gay friends actually HAS anal sex - it seems to be far more fascinating for straights these days.... and are you that inexperienced that you think you don't need lubrication for straight sex? Really? The rather stupid straight masses believe all gays do is go round rogering each other up the rectum.

 

Wrong....

I don't believe humans are 100% gay OR straight. Human sexuality is fluid. It is more prevalent with some than others, the desire to sleep with someone of the same sex.... but EVERY human being is entirely capable PHYSICALLY of sleeping with someone, and being aroused by it, of their own gender. However, MENTALLY, some are unable to entertain the idea. It's a MENTAL block - not a physical one.

Well, I think 1/16 is a bit less then 10% anyway... and the last paragraph is built of purely opinion... Just like I have read in this forum, there are gay people who claim they NEVER felt atracted by someone of the opposite sex. No fluid there, just people who like men, people who like woman, and people who like both.

 

And with your last line, you have made it perfectly clear that not only do you, ahem, 'tolerate' gays, you think they're unacceptable too. How ridiculous of you.

What line? What ridiculous of you to mention things that I didn´t say and acuse me. I just said it´s less acceptable in society, not my personal opinion, you think if an adolescent tells his parents and friends he is gay he will be accepted with the same easy as an heterossexual?

and the last paragraph is built of purely opinion...

 

Of course.. that is why that paragraph starts with the words "I don't believe" :rolleyes:

 

you think if an adolescent tells his parents and friends he is gay he will be accepted with the same easy as an heterossexual?

 

you obviously grew up with parents who weren't particularly liberal or loving if you believe ANY decent, loving parent would be anything less than accepting of their child's sexuality. Again, your post betrays your REAL feelings that somehow heterosexuals are more tolerable and socially acceptable than homosexuals. It's 2007 - they are NOT. There's such a thing these days as EQUALITY. It'd do you well to think about it.....

 

Of course.. that is why that paragraph starts with the words "I don't believe" :rolleyes:

you obviously grew up with parents who weren't particularly liberal or loving if you believe ANY decent, loving parent would be anything less than accepting of their child's sexuality. Again, your post betrays your REAL feelings that somehow heterosexuals are more tolerable and socially acceptable than homosexuals. It's 2007 - they are NOT. There's such a thing these days as EQUALITY. It'd do you well to think about it.....

You think 100% of the parents are liberal like that, wake up, in whcih world you live? My parents are not such monsters that would kill a son or daughter for being homo, or tell them to go away and never talk to them anymore... They never had a gay son but my mother said if she had she would accept it. HOWEVER don´t ilude yourself thinking a mother like that would get the same smile of happiness and comfort knowing she has a gay son. We know in what world we live. Gay couples will never get around with hands giving on a shopping center... they will never have a formal marriage ceremony with the whole family attending. And they will undoubtly have to face MUCH criticism and insult from others, at least here where I live. It´s not my "feeling" that heterossexuals are more accepted in society... I´ve never heard of a mother or a parent cryng when discovered his song had a girlfriend. That is just what society expects from a boy.

Gay couples will never get around with hands giving on a shopping center... they will never have a formal marriage ceremony with the whole family attending. And they will undoubtly have to face MUCH criticism and insult from others, at least here where I live.

 

Says who? If I want to hold my boyfriends hand in public... I damn well will. And woe betide anyone who'd attempt to pull me up on it, too. I'm 6ft4", 12 stone and was brought up in the South Wales valleys.... NOBODY would get away with any form of abuse toward me if they tried, I assure you. I think you're under the impression all gay men are mincing, lisping fairies with swivelling hips and crop-tops. Not the case. At all. However, WHY would I want to hold my partner's hand in public? I find these personal displays of affection, ESPECIALLY kissing in the street, unpleasant to the max - embarrassing.

 

And WHY do you place so much importance to a wedding? Please.... half of marriages end in messy divorces... it's about as important to me as a Christian 'Praise The Lord' church meeeting.

 

And where do you live? The Outer Hebrides?

 

I´ve never heard of a mother or a parent cryng when discovered his song had a girlfriend. That is just what society expects from a boy.

 

No, it's what YOU and your family expects from a boy. Does a boy not bringing ANYONE home make him gay? 'Weird'? And as for mothers crying that their son might be gay - RUBBISH. I have many, many straight fiends who'd LOVE a gay son.

 

I think you've been brought up to believe there's some kind of shame attached to a homosexual child, to homosexuals in general. I suggest you get out more.... gay clubs are full of straights, who think the gays are wonderful.... the younger generation, who thankfully seem to have abandoned religion altogether, are FAR more accepting of homosexuality than past generatios. A good friend of mine was severely disappointed when her son started playing football and mentioning 'boobies'.... she'd have LOVED a gay son and all that goes with it (possibly more affection, companionship, closeness... and maybe even tips on interior design and trendy haircuts).

And WHY do you place so much importance to a wedding? Please.... half of marriages end in messy divorces... it's about as important to me as a Christian 'Praise The Lord' church meeeting.

Then why the fight because of gay marriage? Even if it was legal I think most gay people wouldn´t even use it.

 

And where do you live? The Outer Hebrides?

No, it's what YOU and your family expects from a boy. Does a boy not bringing ANYONE home make him gay? 'Weird'? And as for mothers crying that their son might be gay - RUBBISH. I have many, many straight fiends who'd LOVE a gay son.

It´s the country where I live in and most of the ocidental civilization... I doubt that 1% of mothers would chose to have a gay son if they could.

 

I think you've been brought up to believe there's some kind of shame attached to a homosexual child, to homosexuals in general. I suggest you get out more.... gay clubs are full of straights, who think the gays are wonderful.... the younger generation, who thankfully seem to have abandoned religion altogether, are FAR more accepting of homosexuality than past generatios. A good friend of mine was severely disappointed when her son started playing football and mentioning 'boobies'.... she'd have LOVED a gay son and all that goes with it (possibly more affection, companionship, closeness... and maybe even tips on interior design and trendy haircuts).

So you suggest that hetero sons are less affective and do less company with their parents? And by the way, this woman wanted to have a son or a toy for her use?

 

I doubt that 1% of mothers would chose to have a gay son if they could.

So you suggest that hetero sons are less affective and do less company with their parents? And by the way, this woman wanted to have a son or a toy for her use?

 

you 'doubt' this because you've been indoctrinated with the message that being gay is bad, that being gay is shameful and that being gay makes you somehow less of a person than if you were straight.

 

Surely, ANY decent parent truly wouldn't give a monkeys WHAT their child's sexuality was as long as that child is happy, healthy, successful and contented....? Did YOUR parents tell you that being gay was less acceptable? I imagine, with your terrifying narrow-mindedness, they probably did.

 

And what a ridiculous equation... that because someone would have liked a gay child that they wanted them as a 'toy'...? Er.... what? :huh: And women seem to enjoy the company of gay men, whether it be a friend or family member...... except yourself, of course, who apparently sees being gay as shameful, unfortunate and unequal to being straight.