I dont really think it's as simple as saying it's one thing or the other tbh... There's elements of both.. I think there may be a genetic predisposition, but nurture and environmental factors surely have to play some part as well...

 

 

Incredibly deluded view -_- It is generally accepted that a person's personality and preferences are formed in the first 7 years of their life - I recommend you read 'They Fuck You Up' by Oliver James, has many examples of how certain situations influence homosexuality more - obvious example being that of having no strong male role modle in your life.

 

But being gay is not just a personality characteristic, like the type of music you hear or clothes you wear. Obviously gay people must know since when they started to be. I´ve talked to people who have felt "feminine" since their early childhood. If it was such a simple personality characteristic then one would be able to change it easily.

It probably is a combination of nature vs. nurture (just like everything else), but the ratio is not going to be the same for everyone. I don't think I'm deluded in saying I was born gay.

 

My father played a huge role in my upbringing, not simply devoting constant attention to me, but playing an almost stereotypically masculine “father†role, coaching me at soccer, taking me camping, even teaching me to shoot a gun. I have no repressed memories of sexual assault or anything, nor was I “subjected†to any overtly feminine force or anything like that. Some of my earliest childhood memories include feeling attraction (though I didn’t recognize it as such) to males, going back to age 5 or 6. I can say with almost certainty that I was born gay.

 

No, they haven’t found a “gay†gene, but there is incredible evidence suggesting homosexuality has genetic roots for many. In a University of Minnesota study in the late 80’s, researchers interviewed over 500 pairs of twins separated at birth around the world. Among males, homosexuality was 100% congruent, meaning that every gay male had a twin who was gay. The study was so controversial, the researchers officially published something like 85% because they were afraid of the social problems it could cause. (Imagine if you’re a woman and your husband had a twin who was gay!)

 

Many scientists believe homosexuality is completely justifiable evolutionarily, despite the fact that it seems to counter it. Several species of animals exhibit population-control behaviors when their numbers become too great. Think about it, the planet isn’t overpopulated yet, but the way in which humans congregate in dense cities and such, it would totally make sense for us to “feel†overpopulated and thus evolution tries to correct that. This would also explain why homosexuality seems to be more prevalent today (which isn’t to say it didn’t always exist, of course).

 

It's different for everyone I'm sure, but I'm quite sure nature was more important than nurture in my development as a gay male...

Also I hope to god they never, EVER actually find the "gay gene" as such. The sooner they are able to find that, the sooner they will be able to remove it from the population...

Maybe it´s not genetical, but surely biological. Not every biologic characteristics are defined by genetics. I don´t think it´s bad if science discovers a "gay" gene, that would only teach people that your sexuality is something you´re born with and you can´t chose, like the color of your skin or your eyes. Then nobody can tell you you´re "wrong" for being the way you were born.

Also I hope to god they never, EVER actually find the "gay gene" as such. The sooner they are able to find that, the sooner they will be able to remove it from the population...

 

Yeah, good point, that's pretty much exactly what would happen....

 

Yeah, good point, that's pretty much exactly what would happen....

 

You can´t remove genes from human beings, only from cells.

You can´t remove genes from human beings, only from cells.

 

And what do you think an undeveloped human foetus in the first trimester is JJN...? A collection of cells, nothing more.....

 

The idea of trying to "cure" homosexuals is quite bizarre. It wouldnt work neither. If you're gay or lesbian, then thats what you are......nothing in the world is really gonna change that.

 

I agree with some of the other comments posted previously. I don't think sexuality is fixed...its quite fluid. The majority of people dont fall into set categories of straight or gay, rather the majority are somewhere inbetween.

Trying to "cure" makes it sound like it's an illness or a disease, I'm sure nobody is gay by choice.

....... but is sexuality 'fluid'?.. im not sure i understand the term tbh.. mine isnt! the things i like are the things ive always liked...

 

but id agree that people are % gay, % straight to some degree...

 

 

if this bloke can 'cure' homosexuality, then why doesnt he turn his talents to something more worthwhile like 'curing' paedos!

And what do you think an undeveloped human foetus in the first trimester is JJN...? A collection of cells, nothing more.....

 

So you think they can take each of this millions of cells and remove a certain gene from it? I don´t think medicine will evolve that much. They could only do it with the ziggot cell, but still the consequences could be disastrous since nobody knows what can happen if you remove a certain part of the DNA.

But being gay is not just a personality characteristic, like the type of music you hear or clothes you wear. Obviously gay people must know since when they started to be. I´ve talked to people who have felt "feminine" since their early childhood. If it was such a simple personality characteristic then one would be able to change it easily.

 

once again, you're alluding that all gay people are somehow 'feminine'... you are, once again, talking through your ringpiece. And you're being offensive with it.

Yeah I would love to see him go up to your rugby playing mates or your bouncer mates and call them feminine, my gay friends are as non feminine as you can get, he is talking $h!te

once again, you're alluding that all gay people are somehow 'feminine'... you are, once again, talking through your ringpiece. And you're being offensive with it.

 

 

i dissagree m8, he is not setting out to be offensive, he is stating what i perceive as an honest opinion. it could be seen that in fact you are the one being offensive by suggesting hes talking out his arse.. if his perception of gay men is wrong then im sure theres a better way of correcting him :)

i dissagree m8, he is not setting out to be offensive, he is stating what i perceive as an honest opinion. it could be seen that in fact you are the one being offensive by suggesting hes talking out his arse.. if his perception of gay men is wrong then im sure theres a better way of correcting him :)

 

Rob,

 

check back through this thread... I've tried that.

 

Twice.

 

I can only presume that, after a third time, this poster is, in fact, only capable of opinions from his/her rectum.

i dissagree m8, he is not setting out to be offensive, he is stating what i perceive as an honest opinion. it could be seen that in fact you are the one being offensive by suggesting hes talking out his arse.. if his perception of gay men is wrong then im sure theres a better way of correcting him :)

 

I'm afraid I'm with Russ on this one mate, this isn't the first thread in which JJN has exhibited pretty clear homophobic views... I've checked his posts, and there is a definite undercurrent there... It's not particularly obvious, and he/she is being very clever about it, but on closer reading, it's definitely there... You have, now, FOUR people saying the same thing (myself, Craig, Russ and Tyler) is it not about time we acknowlege the facts...? :)

I'm afraid I'm with Russ on this one mate, this isn't the first thread in which JJN has exhibited pretty clear homophobic views... I've checked his posts, and there is a definite undercurrent there... It's not particularly obvious, and he/she is being very clever about it, but on closer reading, it's definitely there... You have, now, FOUR people saying the same thing (myself, Craig, Russ and Tyler) is it not about time we acknowlege the facts...? :)

 

Oh I agree there Scott, he is a very clever wordsmith disguising his venom and hatred in a load of fancy words and long winded paragraphs, he is not saying "f***ing faggots" "f***ing queers" or whatever he is spouting homophobic venom in a much more subtle way which if anything is worse, you expect homophobia from a knuckle dragging skinhead with a single digit IQ who is too thick to know better so it is worse when it is coming from a well educated guy as he has no excuse

 

I'm afraid I'm with Russ on this one mate, this isn't the first thread in which JJN has exhibited pretty clear homophobic views...

 

but what IS homophobia?.. all i detect is a dislike of the gay sex act/s, and not hatred towards gay people. i can empathise with that as that is my view on it, i care not what consenting adults do...its non of my business. but theres a difference between having a dislike for certain sex acts (by whoever doing whatever with whoever, im not just talking gay here...) and a hatred for the people actually indulging in them!

 

plus i dare say that gay sex acts are just one of the many sex acts that he/we/you dont like.

 

live and let live, but be aware that not everyone will like what you may or may not do in private, i dare say theres many who are offended by my relationship with clare.. (shes been told at her work "he needs sorting out" to which she laid into the guy (verbaly) (i wasnt present) ) thats cool though, thats life.

 

but what IS homophobia?.. all i detect is a dislike of the gay sex act/s, and not hatred towards gay people. i can empathise with that as that is my view on it, i care not what consenting adults do...its non of my business. but theres a difference between having a dislike for certain sex acts (by whoever doing whatever with whoever, im not just talking gay here...) and a hatred for the people actually indulging in them!

 

plus i dare say that gay sex acts are just one of the many sex acts that he/we/you dont like.

 

live and let live, but be aware that not everyone will like what you may or may not do in private, i dare say theres many who are offended by my relationship with clare.. (shes been told at her work "he needs sorting out" to which she laid into the guy (verbaly) (i wasnt present) ) thats cool though, thats life.

 

JJN HAS been guilty of stereotyping and playing on the lowest common denominator, he has been told time and time again that gays are not by and large camp Julian Clary types and has been given many examples to prove that by me and Russ yet he harps on and on about all gay people being camp and listening to Kylie and several other references he has made in the thread so by still stereotyping when he has been proved wrong is homophobic, you don't have to say "f*****" and so on to be homophobic, stereotyping and pigeonholing and labelling is homophobic too

 

If there was a debate about Korea and I kept talking about Koreans selling dodgy dvd's and eating labradors that would be racial stereotyping !