An anti-immigrant politician is making a meteoric rise with his call on the Dutch - once one of the most tolerant nations in the world - to stop Islam taking over Europe.

 

Geert Wilders, the 43-year-old leader of the Freedom Party, is convinced that governments are being forced to accommodate a 'tsunami of Islamisation' that is fundamentally incompatible with European social values.

"Islam itself is the problem. Islam is a violent religion," he told The Daily Telegraph. "The Prophet Mohammed was a violent man. The Koran is mostly a violent book. We should invest in Muslim people but they have to first get rid of half the Koran and half of their beliefs," he said.

 

The Freedom Party has jumped from six to 10 per cent in opinion polls since November. His passionate campaign for a ban on the Islamic veil, or burqa, in public places is gaining such momentum that the country's new coalition government could be forced to introduce the ban it does not support.

 

On the burqa, Mr Wilders is adamant: "It is a medieval token of a barbaric time, of how not to treat women, even if they want to wear it themselves," he argues.

 

Allowing Muslims to wear the burqa in the Netherlands, or to have segregated swimming sessions so as not to offend religious sensitivities, amounts to "religious apartheid" he says.

 

The new government coalition of mainstream centre right and left political parties had planned to ditch a decision by the previous government to ban the burqa in the Netherlands which now has a population of one million Muslims, six per cent of the total population. But, Mr Wilders crows, weekend opinion polls show 66 per cent of Dutch citizens support a ban.

 

The minority opposition leader who has won two previous votes for a ban on the burqa is convinced that support will be there for new legislation he will table in the spring as the Dutch become increasingly concerned over Muslim separatism.

Wilders is convinced there is growing support for his views across Europe but its political leaders, particularly in Britain, are too obsessed with being politically correct.

 

"There is almost no country more politically correct than the UK. Look at the terrible things that happened in London after Madrid, you have more reason than most to make this debate transparent and public," he said.

 

Mr Wilders split from the Dutch liberals in September 2004 over their support for EU membership for Turkey.

Two months later he was living in fear after police arrested suspected terrorists, armed with grenades, accused of planning to kill him. The Dutch politician says he and his wife have received more than 600 death threats.

 

Mr Wilders, who is always surrounded by plain clothes police guards, said: "I lost my freedom and privacy because of my opposition to Islam."

 

I'll support a ban on the Burqa and the Hijab, ONLY if there is a ban on Jewish skullcaps, crucifixes, turbans, in fact ALL religious iconography....

 

He calls the Koran a 'vioent book'. He need to read his bible some time, particularly that wild and wacky "Revelations/End of Days/Armageddon" ending.... Fukkin' idiot..... <_< Sooner people like him realise that ALL religions are the problem and not just singling out ONE as being the 'bad one', the sooner I might take people like him a bit more seriously and not just dismiss them as a bunch of racist maggots...

theres a big difference between 'hiding' your face and wearing a cross m8...

 

totally agreed about violence in the bible, the old testiment in particular depicts god as a cruel killer! great! lol.

theres a big difference between 'hiding' your face and wearing a cross m8...

 

Happen so, but there's a principle here, you CANNOT target one particular religious sect/ethnic/or other group within society and make detrimental laws which effect them and them ONLY, that's called 'persecution'... The law has to apply equally and to all citizens... The French got it right in principle when they tried to bring in a similar law which would've encompassed everyone, but rather cravenly wimped out of it on the last hurdle...

 

It's high time we ALL threw away the ridiculous crutches of our respective religious voodoos anyway...

 

Sorry mate, I'm an 'all or nothing' kind of guy when it comes to this sort of thing..

 

The Dutch politician says he and his wife have received more than 600 death threats.

 

Let's hope the next one is for real and is successful :) this vile racist deserves a bullet in his skull

 

Happen so, but there's a principle here, you CANNOT target one particular religious sect/ethnic/or other group within society and make detrimental laws which effect them and them ONLY, that's called 'persecution'... The law has to apply equally and to all citizens... The French got it right in principle when they tried to bring in a similar law which would've encompassed everyone, but rather cravenly wimped out of it on the last hurdle...

 

It's high time we ALL threw away the ridiculous crutches of our respective religious voodoos anyway...

 

Sorry mate, I'm an 'all or nothing' kind of guy when it comes to this sort of thing..

 

 

but hiding your face isnt a religious issue, no matter who you are or what religion you follow people going around hiding their face isnt acceptable be it muslim or chav.

 

what if the ku klux klan became popular here and there were gangs of men walking around in white hoods?... would that be acceptable because they arnt a religious statement?... no! we arnt talking about outlawing muslim apparrel only, that would be persecution, but i dont think that in certain circumstances... teachers, police officers etc.. they shouldnt have their face hidden.. thats stupid.

Let's hope the next one is for real and is successful :) this vile racist deserves a bullet in his skull

 

 

Agreed, and the way he used the July 7th attacks to justify his poisonous views as well is entirely dishonest... He's calling for a ban on Burqas, well, last time I looked NONE of those guys on July 7th were wearing veils or hijabs, none of them were being particularly "Islamic", they were blending in to the crowd so as not to attract attention... Same with those idiots on July 21... Well of course one bloke tried to get away by disguising himself in a Burqa, but Christ, he was about as convincing as Bernard Bresslaw disguising himself as a woman in a "Carry On" film ffs :lol: , the coppers knew exactly where to find him because he was so foolish....

 

But anyway, I seriously object to people like him who try to use a real-life tragedy to further their own political agenda or to stir-up hatred of a minority, he warrants shooting for that reason alone... He seems to forget that the July 7th bombings happened mainly because of the illegal Iraq War....

As far as I know stoning a person is not legal in netherlands or any civilized country in the world, so any religion, philosophy or political party who prescribes it cannot be fully practiced in these countries. The death threats sent to his family just proves he has a point. Even if he was doing something completely racist, civilized countries have legal ways to solve problems like this and not "death threats".

As far as I know stoning a person is not legal in netherlands or any civilized country in the world, so any religion, philosophy or political party who prescribes it cannot be fully practiced in these countries. The death threats sent to his family just proves he has a point. Even if he was doing something completely racist, civilized countries have legal ways to solve problems like this and not "death threats".

 

The man encourages violence and hatred against muslims, that means that the ordinary muslim in the street is the victim of the violence and intolerance he encourages and that is unacceptable. I am jewish does that mean I deserve to have violence used against me or be demonised in society because of Israeli actions in Palestine ? course bloody not so why should muslims everywhere who are far removed from Sharia law be punished because of a few mad mullah's ?

 

This man encourages the demonisation and violence against ordinary law abiding peaceful muslims, wtf that has to do with Sharia law god only knows

If they don´t subscribe to the Kuran law then they´re not real muslims... it makes no sense.

Well when a gang of Dutch skinheads are beating the $h!t out of a dark skinned guy because he looks like a muslim I very much doubt they are going to ask him if he is a \"real muslim\" or not but every muslim or dark skinned guy is a target for the followers of the sick f*** this thread is about, very few people are true to their religion. I would guess 95% of members here have been christened into the christian church or baptised a catholic but how many people here on this board give a flying f*** about religion itself and go to church ??? 5 members max I would say. I would guess about 5% of muslims globally go to mosque I would guess 5% of jews go to synogogue and so on, to assume everyone who looks like a muslim believes in Sharia law is eccentric

 

If that is the case then they would just give up on their traditions and integrate with the population of the country they are in. Why the hell would no-practicing or non-believing muslims wear burqas or veils? Then if they were non-practicers and people who don´t give a f*** about their religion they simply wouldn´t care if islam was banned from earth, instead of sending death threats.

You missed my point

 

Ok let\'s suppose in Amsterdam there is a guy leaving the rail station or leaving a cafe or an office and he is middle eastern / asian looking and a gang of swastika wearing skinheads who are followers of the politician in question attack him, how exactly are they going to know whether this guy is a practicing muslim ? how are they going to know whether he has integrated ? etc etc etc... they DON\'T which means that EVERY muslim looking person in Holland is at risk of attack and is that fair or right ?? you can talk all day and night about true muslims and intergration etc but attacks by neo nazi yobs against muslims or supposed muslims will be totally indiscriminate !

 

EVERY asian or arabic looking guy or woman is in danger because of this sick f***

You missed my point

 

Ok let\'s suppose in Amsterdam there is a guy leaving the rail station or leaving a cafe or an office and he is middle eastern / asian looking and a gang of swastika wearing skinheads who are followers of the politician in question attack him, how exactly are they going to know whether this guy is a practicing muslim ? how are they going to know whether he has integrated ? etc etc etc... they DON\'T which means that EVERY muslim looking person in Holland is at risk of attack and is that fair or right ?? you can talk all day and night about true muslims and intergration etc but attacks by neo nazi yobs against muslims or supposed muslims will be totally indiscriminate !

 

EVERY asian or arabic looking guy or woman is in danger because of this sick f***

 

100% truth mate... How many Sikhs, Hindus, Bhuddists, etc have those racist idiots 'mistaken' for Muslims...? It's just another excuse really... "Oh he looked like a Muslim"...... This moron is fanning the flames, and every person of colour is a potential target because of the sh!te he and people like him (step down Nick Griffin, Jean Marie Le Pen, et al...) coming away with....

 

As far as I know stoning a person is not legal in netherlands or any civilized country in the world

 

No, it might not be legal, but it seems that people like him are passively encouraging it through how they load their speeches with certain phrases which seem designed to be inciteful. Essentially, how is this guy or Nick Griffin in ANY way different to the likes of Abu fukkin' Hamza..?? They are NOT....

 

Frankly I dont care if he's getting death threats or not, politicians who spout this sort of racist $h!te and inciting racial hatred are asking for it if you ask me... If somebody stepped up and shot him, I wouldn't really lose much sleep over it, I'd feel sorry for their wife and kids, but that's it... Nor would I particularly care if someone assassinated B-liar or Bush...

 

And there you go again spouting bollocks about 'civilised countries'.... So, tell me JJN, in these 'uncivilised' countries, how many people are stoned to death in an average year...? Is it as many as the US/UK fukkin' BUTCHERED in Iraq or Afghanistan....? I very, very much doubt that.... Oh, and let's not forget about Guantanamo/Camp X-Ray, Abu Ghraib, "Rendition" of so-called 'terror suspects', etc.... "Civilised"?? Dont make me laugh.....

I agree that Islam does seem to be taking over Europe, I mean look at Birmingham and Bradford, if you are white and English you would clearly be in the minority. I do find this strange considering we are living in England.

I agree that Islam does seem to be taking over Europe, I mean look at Birmingham and Bradford, if you are white and English you would clearly be in the minority. I do find this strange considering we are living in England.

 

Have you actually been to those cities or are you just stupid and gullible enough to swallow everything The Sun tells you ?

 

I have been to Birmingham dozens of times in my life and if you really believe over 50% of the population is muslim then you really do need mental help, I would say in terms of Birmingham maybe 5% at best are muslim or black hardly a majority is it :rolleyes: and yes Bradford does have a muslim district but again a good 90% of residents of Bradford are WHITE

 

I pity your twins if they are going to grow up with such a gullible pig ignorant father :(

Have you actually been to those cities or are you just stupid and gullible enough to swallow everything The Sun tells you ?

 

I have been to Birmingham dozens of times in my life and if you really believe over 50% of the population is muslim then you really do need mental help, I would say in terms of Birmingham maybe 5% at best are muslim or black hardly a majority is it :rolleyes: and yes Bradford does have a muslim district but again a good 90% of residents of Bradford are WHITE

 

I pity your twins if they are going to grow up with such a gullible pig ignorant father :(

 

Well put mate... As usual, someone with little or no knowlege of the facts talking absolute nonsense... You could probably make the case that London is a highly Cosmopolitan area with a large multi-lingual/multi-ethnic population, but it has always been thus in London, ever since the Romans built the place; people from all over the world have come to London to live and work (and it's mainly people from other European countries who settle as opposed to anyone else)... Bradford and Birmingham are nothing like London, not even close... You could almost say that London is a State within a State in many ways, because it really is nothing like the rest of the UK..

 

I agree that Islam does seem to be taking over Europe, I mean look at Birmingham and Bradford, if you are white and English you would clearly be in the minority. I do find this strange considering we are living in England.

 

Number 1 - England eh..? Hmmm, here's me thinking we were living in 'Britain' mate..... <_<

 

Number 2 - Just where is your source to back up your suppositions that you are in the 'minority' if you are white and English living in Bradford or Birmingham...

 

Number 3 - Just how is Islam "taking over Europe" exactly... Cant say I've noticed any Iran-style Clerical coup d'etats taking place.... Nope, still the same Upper-Middle Class white guys running the show as always as far as I can make out mate.....

 

A few bombs have gone off, erm, that's it.... It's not as if that has never happened in Britain/Europe before, or were you just asleep when the IRA, Baader Meinhoff, Red Brigade, Black September, ETA and other terrorist organisations were being discussed in your history/political science classes....?

What people seem to be forgetting about this guy and his rancid party, is that they were every bit as vehemently opposed to EU expansion and people from Eastern Europe coming into Holland to live and work... Spouting rubbish about 'gypsies' and such like (hmm, a bit like this bloke in Germany in the 1930s actually, what was his name again......?)... You might want to bear that in mind before you choose to defend or speak up for these Fascist, xenophobic cretins.... <_<