Have you actually been to those cities or are you just stupid and gullible enough to swallow everything The Sun tells you ?

 

I have been to Birmingham dozens of times in my life and if you really believe over 50% of the population is muslim then you really do need mental help, I would say in terms of Birmingham maybe 5% at best are muslim or black hardly a majority is it :rolleyes: and yes Bradford does have a muslim district but again a good 90% of residents of Bradford are WHITE

 

I pity your twins if they are going to grow up with such a gullible pig ignorant father :(

 

of course I have been there , went to Drayton Manor and was one of about 2 white families and my mate also lives in Birmingham and says his community is all Asian.

and where is your evidence that 90% of the population is white?

of course I have been there , went to Drayton Manor and was one of about 2 white families and my mate also lives in Birmingham and says his community is all Asian.

 

So if a mate of mine goes to Southall in London it is a fair assumption to make that the MAJORITY of the WHOLE of London is asian is it ? or that Brixton means the majority of the WHOLE of London is afro carribean ?

 

All cities have a district that is largely occupied by Asians or blacks same as Marbella in Spain has districts that are almost exclusively resided by white British people

 

Making an assumption on a whole city based on the experience of one district is absurd

and where is your evidence that 90% of the population is white?

 

The last census showed the following :-

 

810,000 blacks

347,000 mixed race

658,000 pakistanis

768,000 Indians

260,000 Bangladeshis

252,000 Jews

 

That comes to roughly 2.8million black, asian, jewish and mixed race people in the country

 

The population of the UK in the census was 58,789,194

 

Now that is OFFICIAL proof from a government census that less than FIVE PERCENT of the country is non white, hardly a majority is it :manson:

 

No, it might not be legal, but it seems that people like him are passively encouraging it through how they load their speeches with certain phrases which seem designed to be inciteful. Essentially, how is this guy or Nick Griffin in ANY way different to the likes of Abu fukkin' Hamza..?? They are NOT....

 

Frankly I dont care if he's getting death threats or not, politicians who spout this sort of racist $h!te and inciting racial hatred are asking for it if you ask me... If somebody stepped up and shot him, I wouldn't really lose much sleep over it, I'd feel sorry for their wife and kids, but that's it... Nor would I particularly care if someone assassinated B-liar or Bush...

 

And there you go again spouting bollocks about 'civilised countries'.... So, tell me JJN, in these 'uncivilised' countries, how many people are stoned to death in an average year...? Is it as many as the US/UK fukkin' BUTCHERED in Iraq or Afghanistan....? I very, very much doubt that.... Oh, and let's not forget about Guantanamo/Camp X-Ray, Abu Ghraib, "Rendition" of so-called 'terror suspects', etc.... "Civilised"?? Dont make me laugh.....

 

I see no relation between these things at all. I´m talking about personal convictions, and a person who has the conviction that stoning someone because of adultery is something desireable and normal has not place to be a full practicer of its convictions in a civilized country.

I see no relation between these things at all. I´m talking about personal convictions, and a person who has the conviction that stoning someone because of adultery is something desireable and normal has not place to be a full practicer of its convictions in a civilized country.

 

So, basically what you're saying is the Death Penalty whatever form it may take has no place in a civilised society yes...? Totally agree.... Absolutely correct, the State has no right to take the life of a citizen under ANY circumstance.......

 

And of course there is a relation, all of those people have one thing in common - they are ALL vicious, lying hatemongers...

 

Oh, and of course, you wouldn't see any relation anyway because you appear to be an apologist for the excesses of Judeo-Christian Western oppression of the Arabic Middle East....

So if a mate of mine goes to Southall in London it is a fair assumption to make that the MAJORITY of the WHOLE of London is asian is it ? or that Brixton means the majority of the WHOLE of London is afro carribean ?

 

All cities have a district that is largely occupied by Asians or blacks same as Marbella in Spain has districts that are almost exclusively resided by white British people

 

Making an assumption on a whole city based on the experience of one district is absurd

 

The FULL truth mate....

 

Callum, you're beat mate, your arguments are totally absurd.... How the hell can you base your case around one particular neighbourhood in one particular city...?

 

maybe the person who wrote the article isn't talking about particular numbers of Islamic people or whatever. Maybe he means Islam is taking over in the fact a lot of other cultures have to pander to their culture or else be accused of being racist and intolerant.

I think the death penalty is OK for certain scum like child killers or people who sexually sbude children. People like that disgust me and would be better off dead than living. Stoning people is ridiculous though, who does that in todays society?

Im not discussing it anymore anyway, Ive expressed my view and Im not getting into another argument over something silly

maybe the person who wrote the article isn't talking about particular numbers of Islamic people or whatever. Maybe he means Islam is taking over in the fact a lot of other cultures have to pander to their culture or else be accused of being racist and intolerant.

 

 

..... if you mean that islam is stronger and less tolerant of criticism then you would be correct, and if we 'upset' muslims then its all over the papers and tv, they are very intollerant of criticism.

..... if you mean that islam is stronger and less tolerant of criticism then you would be correct, and if we 'upset' muslims then its all over the papers and tv, they are very intollerant of criticism.

 

Every religion has its radicals

 

Remember the fuss by Christians over the Jerry Springer opera for instance ? I am sure there are plenty of other examples of christian uproar over their religion supposedly being blasphemed

 

Its just the racist media that give far more attention to muslim radicals

 

A muslim protest would get 4 pages of attention in the Daily Mail or The Sun, a christian one might just get a paragraph on the footer of Page 26

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Every religion has its radicals

 

Remember the fuss by Christians over the Jerry Springer opera for instance ? I am sure there are plenty of other examples of christian uproar over their religion supposedly being blasphemed

 

Its just the racist media that give far more attention to muslim radicals

 

A muslim protest would get 4 pages of attention in the Daily Mail or The Sun, a christian one might just get a paragraph on the footer of Page 26

 

They have the right to a pacific protest. Their religion support taking violent actions, however. You are allowed to kill in the name of it.

 

I don´t think it´s a matter of racism. Most black people in America and UK are not muslims, and the majority of them is subscribed to a chrstian denomination, if it was down to racism only then they would be victims aswell.

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Its just the racist media that give far more attention to muslim radicals

 

A muslim protest would get 4 pages of attention in the Daily Mail or The Sun, a christian one might just get a paragraph on the footer of Page 26

 

 

but it takes much less to upset muslims... just look at the furore over those cartoons, yet we can take the p!ss out of christianity and theres all but no fuss.

Again that was a tiny proportion of muslims compared with the hundreds of millions around the world though, yes there are a number of radical fruitcakes around in Islam but they get a disproportionate amount of media attention compared with others. I don't think a few radicals like say Abu Hamza and his followers are representative of the religion as a whole any more than bigots like Ian Paisley and Pat Robertson and so on are representative of christians as a whole, every muslim I know can't stand Hamza and his cronies but every time Hamza opens his mouth the media portray it as he is the norm among muslims when he isn't

but it takes much less to upset muslims... just look at the furore over those cartoons, yet we can take the p!ss out of christianity and theres all but no fuss.

 

Erm, I dont think you have to be a 'fruitcake Islamist' to be offended by the ignorant racist slurs which were so clearly evident in some of those so-called 'cartoons'... "Monty Python's Life of Brian" or a critique designed to engender debate in the style of Richard Dawkins those were NOT.... In the slightest, and frankly I'm suspicious as to the motives for the very creation of those 'cartoons' in the first place.... And as I seem to recall, you yourself criticised those cartoons as well, so I reckon you're contradicting yourself there mate....

 

Again that was a tiny proportion of muslims compared with the hundreds of millions around the world though, yes there are a number of radical fruitcakes around in Islam but they get a disproportionate amount of media attention compared with others. I don't think a few radicals like say Abu Hamza and his followers are representative of the religion as a whole any more than bigots like Ian Paisley and Pat Robertson and so on are representative of christians as a whole, every muslim I know can't stand Hamza and his cronies but every time Hamza opens his mouth the media portray it as he is the norm among muslims when he isn't

 

The FULL TRUTH.... And frankly, I reckon that the likes of Pat Robertson and Ian Paisley have far more support amongst their respective religious communities than Abu Hamza ever did (and shame on any so-called 'Good Christian' who votes for either of these scumbags)... There were hardly storms of protest or riots going on when the b/astard got sent down.... In fact, I think we can safely say is barely a peep was heard from the Muslim community as a whole, proof in my eyes, that he did NOT represent the mainstream Muslim majority in any way, shape or form...

 

And, oh, how we have forgotten about the years when the Orange Paraders were causing all sorts of sh!te, controversy and upset when they insisted they had the 'right' to go marching down Catholic neighbourhoods, beating their drums and celebrating the slaughter of innocent Catholics.... And they somehow were shocked when the Catholic communities living in those neighbourhoods got a little bit agitated by it....

 

but it takes much less to upset muslims... just look at the furore over those cartoons, yet we can take the p!ss out of christianity and theres all but no fuss.

 

Nonsense mate... In the first place, I find those cartoons to be utterly offensive, and I am no Muslim; in the second place, in just about every circumstance where Muslims have been 'upset', they have almost certainly been provoked - provoked by Jack Straw and his stupid comments about how he feels Muslim women ought to dress (and just what the fukk does it have to do with Politicians anyway how ANYONE chooses to dress..? Oh, and nothing to do with the fact that there was the possibility of a Leadership Contest at the time, eh...? <_< ); provoked by John Reid when he went down to a Muslim community and tried to convince parents to shop their kids to the authorities, but not doing the same thing in other communities where crime was a problem (havent seen him pop down to Peckham yet to talk to people there about gun crime or youth gangs.. And frankly, when I walk the streets of London at night, I aint concerned about ruddy 'terrorists', I'm a LOT more concerned about packs of bloody feral Chav youths who might be packing a fukkin' knife or a gun... <_< ), provoked by the FACT that we illegally invaded a Muslim country under the most ridiculous pretexts; provoked by the FACT that we turn a blind eye to 60 years of Israeli State terrorism and oppression against the Palestinians and provoked by the fact that Muslims are almost on a daily basis the victims of the most evil slurs and defamations masquerading as 'journalism' that it has ever been my misfortune to come across... No way in hell would the Tabloids get away with saying that sort of sh!t about Jews, Hindus, Afro-Caribbeans or any other ethnic or racial group....

 

As for your comments about how we can all take the p!iss out of Christianity with 'no fuss'... Well, try telling that to the BBC when they aired a performance of "Jerry Springer - The Musical", or indeed, talk to John Cleese or Michael Palin, or Martin Scorcese when he did "The Last Temptation of Christ". Talk to Marilyn Manson about the THOUSANDS of Death threats that HE has received from Right Wing fanatical Christian psychos (I reckon he's probably had more Death threats made against him than that racist prick of a Dutch MP.... And JESUS HARRY CHRIST, Manson is only an entertainer, a Rock Star, he has no political mandate, talk about fukkin BARMY....... :wacko: :wacko: )

Nonsense mate... In the first place, I find those cartoons to be utterly offensive, and I am no Muslim; in the second place, in just about every circumstance where Muslims have been 'upset', they have almost certainly been provoked - provoked by Jack Straw and his stupid comments about how he feels Muslim women ought to dress (and just what the fukk does it have to do with Politicians anyway how ANYONE chooses to dress..? Oh, and nothing to do with the fact that there was the possibility of a Leadership Contest at the time, eh...? <_< ); provoked by John Reid when he went down to a Muslim community and tried to convince parents to shop their kids to the authorities, but not doing the same thing in other communities where crime was a problem (havent seen him pop down to Peckham yet to talk to people there about gun crime..), provoked by the FACT that we illegally invaded a Muslim country under the most ridiculous pretexts; provoked by the FACT that we turn a blind eye to 60 years of Israeli State terrorism and oppression against the Palestinians and provoked by the fact that Muslims are almost on a daily basis the victims of the most evil slurs and defamations masquerading as 'journalism' that it has ever been my misfortune to come across... No way in hell would the Tabloids get away with saying that sort of sh!t about Jews, Hindus, Afro-Caribbeans or any other ethnic or racial group....

 

As for your comments about how we can all take the p!iss out of Christianity with 'no fuss'... Well, try telling that to the BBC when they aired a performance of "Jerry Springer - The Musical", or indeed, talk to John Cleese or Michael Palin, or Martin Scorcese when he did "The Last Temptation of Christ". Talk to Marilyn Manson about the THOUSANDS of Death threats that HE has received from Right Wing fanatical Christian psychos (I reckon he's probably had more Death threats made against him than that racist prick of a Dutch MP.... And JESUS HARRY CHRIST, Manson is only an entertainer, a Rock Star, he has no political mandate, talk about fukkin BARMY....... :wacko: :wacko: )

 

oh i dont think that them whining christians were taken much note of tbh... everday we can say anything we want to about them without fear.. i dont see the comparison.

 

the cartoons were not offensive, they were bog standard p!ss take the very sort that has been the norm since printing was invented! satirical cartoons have been published for over 200 years and even now are in our dailies... but thats ok because they dont satirise muslims! <_< its p!ss taking a current situation, thats all, would you be 'offended' if it was blair or bush in them cartoons? i think not! :P

oh i dont think that them whining christians were taken much note of tbh... everday we can say anything we want to about them without fear.. i dont see the comparison.

 

the cartoons were not offensive, they were bog standard p!ss take the very sort that has been the norm since printing was invented! satirical cartoons have been published for over 200 years and even now are in our dailies... but thats ok because they dont satirise muslims! <_< its p!ss taking a current situation, thats all, would you be 'offended' if it was blair or bush in them cartoons? i think not! :P

 

They were only 'not taken much notice of' because the press for the most part chose not to give them the oxygen of publicity, but make no mistake, they did make a hell of a lot of fuss... And as I say, talk to Marilyn Manson or any other Rock Star about the US Christian Far Right...

 

And if you honestly think those cartoons were not offensive, well that presumably means you have no problems with the Nazis presenting Jews as 'sinister, hook-nosed kikes' in poster campaigns or in 'cartoon form' in Pro-Nazi literature and propaganda and whatnot, or Indians and Africans being portrayed as 'uncivilised savages/n***ers/fuzzy-wuzzies/wogs' in 'cartoon form' in countless British newspapers and magazines in the 19th Century... It's EXACTLY the same thing in my eyes... Ignorant white Europeans talking about something they have NO understanding of (and please dont give me this rubbish about 'different times, different attitudes' like THAT is some sort of excuse for oppression, subjugation, invasion and wholesale MURDER of indigenous peoples in their own bloody countries ffs... It was just plain WRONG end of story. Hell, even slavery had been abolished in Britain a hundred years previously, so people must have, on some level, known that it was entirely wrong to dehumanize a race of people in Victorian Britain; and just maybe that some of what we're discussing now is a result of some sort of cosmic 'payback' for how previous generations acted, dont suppose that ever occurred to you. If it is, well, you cant say we dont really deserve it, what goes around comes around dunnit..?)... What does the average Danish or European person know about Arabic culture..? You just dont realise how things like this can be used and abused because you are white and you have NEVER been the victim of prejudice or discrimination, so you cannot possibly know how a person of colour feels... Try reading up on some Post-Colonial studies (Edward Said and his theories on 'Orientalism' is a good place to start) some time and then talk to me about the 'innocence' of how ordinary people are being represented... It's totally different to satirising a Political leader, Political leaders are not representatives of an entire race or an entire culture, they are transient historical figures; the Danish cartoons were offending an entire culture, not just taking the p*** out of a political leader or Party... BIG, BIG difference....

 

And like I said, it was totally different to what Palin, Cleese, Chapman and Co did in the 70s, "Life of Brian" was the product of a group of people brought up in the Christian tradition, they had knowlege both of their subject and of history in general (several of them actually possessing History degrees..), so in every way, they knew exactly what they were talking about, as do satirists such as Rory Bremner when they tear a strip off Bush or B-Liar... The Danish "satirists" did not and did not even attempt to understand the Arabic people or culture... BIG difference.... This is the very essence of Racism IMO...