that doesnt help our tradesmen though... they dont care whos to blame they just want their jobs back! it might not be the imigrants fault but they are the ones doing the work and will get the flack...

 

Well, then they are WRONG to do so, and it suits the Capitalist hierarchy as well to have the workers at each others' throats, because if they knew the truth, then the workers would put the knives at the EMPLOYERS' and the POLITICIANS' throats, where they should be... I seriously despair at the sheer fukkin' pig-ignorance of people sometimes, still, not really their fault, that's the way the exploitative Capitalist system has made them... They'll believe anything The Scum or the Daily fukkin' Mail tells them even though these establishment, pro-Capitalist rags are totally acting against the interests of the Working Classes....

And they threw the natives out when they invaded their country :rolleyes:

 

EXACTLY. The people who are running Austrailia are really just the descendents of British convicts ffs... And the Aussies sure dont like you to remind them of the fact.... :lol: How DARE they tell people from the Asian sub-continent that they cannot have a slice of the cake that they nicked off the Aborigines in the first fukkin' place.... The immigrants who go to Austrailia are not there to murder, rape and pillage the locals the way The Brits did back in the day, they're there just to make a life for themselves.. And why the hell not...? As far as I'm concerned Austrailia is another country founded on immigration (well, I suppose originally, it was founded upon being a place to dump loads of assorted criminal scum, dissidents and troublemakers...), but morally, these people do NOT have any right to keep it all to themselves because it does not belong to them, if it belongs to anyone, it belongs to the Aborigines, the real Austrailians....

Well, then they are WRONG to do so, and it suits the Capitalist hierarchy as well to have the workers at each others' throats, because if they knew the truth, then the workers would put the knives at the EMPLOYERS' and the POLITICIANS' throats, where they should be... I seriously despair at the sheer fukkin' pig-ignorance of people sometimes, still, not really their fault, that's the way the exploitative Capitalist system has made them... They'll believe anything The Scum or the Daily fukkin' Mail tells them even though these establishment, pro-Capitalist rags are totally acting against the interests of the Working Classes....

 

 

thats a rather sweeping statement.... suggesting that tradesmen all read the sun or mail... thats the sort of 'tradesmenaphobic' remark id expect from a anarchist bigot! :P

 

tbh, id find it rather amusing if you lost your job to a cut price immigrant...

thats a rather sweeping statement.... suggesting that tradesmen all read the sun or mail... thats the sort of 'tradesmenaphobic' remark id expect from a anarchist bigot! :P

 

tbh, id find it rather amusing if you lost your job to a cut price immigrant...

 

 

Well, personally I dont see too many copies of The Independent, Morning Star, The Guardian or even The Times on an average building site mate... I've got nowt against Tradesmen really, just disappointed that most of them these days seem to have forgotten that their forefathers were actually the ones fighting for social change back in the day, it was skilled tradesmen and engineers that were at the forefront of the original Labour Movement, the London dockers were the ones who tried to give Oswald Moseley (a sort of prototype Nick Griffin..) and his Nazi scum a good kicking back in the 30s... It was the Unions and Tradesmen who fought the hardest for racial equality in the 60s and 70s.... I'm disappointed that nowadays they seem so bloody apathetic to what's really going on and instead blame their fellow tradespeople as opposed to supporting their struggle to actually get a decent living wage (which, if the Unions were still strong in this country, would be exactly what was going on). And anyway, if you actually read my post instead of making quite sweeping generalising statements of your own, I actually ended the paragraph by saying that fundamentally it was not their fault, that it was the system keeping them ignorant (mainly through the Media and the Popular Press). As Johnny Lydon once said "The Fascist Regime/That made you a moron" - never a truer word was spoken. If there is one thing that Govts are absolutely terrified of it's of an intellectual, well-educated Working Class, because then you'll have a situation not too dissimilar to the one in Paris of May '68, where an Anarchist revolution almost took place, and at the forefront of it - an alliance of French workers, French writers and theorists and Student Radicals... If I am an Anarchist, then I am absolutely proud to be one, it sure beats being apathetic and just blindly accepting any old bullsh!t that the Govt and the gutter press tells you....

 

As for me losing my job in the manner you suggest, aint gonna happen, the University's own equal opportunities policy would not allow it to pay a non-EU immigrant any less than it would pay a native Brit or EU citizen.... :P

Even the Welsh Assembly have branded immigrants as paedophiles and rapists <_< -_- :rolleyes:

 

 

Migrant workers planning to move to Wales have been advised not to indulge in incest or rape.

 

A document produced in 17 languages by the Welsh Assembly informs immigrants about their rights and responsibilities.

 

A leaflet entitled "Ten Important Things you Need to Know" which is enclosed in the "Welcome to Wales" information pack covers such topics as worker registration, how to open bank accounts and legal issues.

 

Number eight in this list warns that it is "a criminal offence to force a woman to have sex with you if she says no."

 

And it adds: "Having sex with a minor (child under 16-years-old) or with a member of your family is also a criminal offence."

 

Conservative Assembly minister Jonathan Morgan said: "I'm staggered the Assembly Government is using public money to give people a lesson in the blindingly obvious."

 

He added: "This is insulting to the people from many nations who are coming to work and live in Wales.

Edited March 21, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Even the Welsh Assembly have branded immigrants as paedophiles and rapists <_< -_- :rolleyes:

Migrant workers planning to move to Wales have been advised not to indulge in incest or rape.

 

A document produced in 17 languages by the Welsh Assembly informs immigrants about their rights and responsibilities.

 

A leaflet entitled "Ten Important Things you Need to Know" which is enclosed in the "Welcome to Wales" information pack covers such topics as worker registration, how to open bank accounts and legal issues.

 

Number eight in this list warns that it is "a criminal offence to force a woman to have sex with you if she says no."

 

And it adds: "Having sex with a minor (child under 16-years-old) or with a member of your family is also a criminal offence."

 

Conservative Assembly minister Jonathan Morgan said: "I'm staggered the Assembly Government is using public money to give people a lesson in the blindingly obvious."

 

He added: "This is insulting to the people from many nations who are coming to work and live in Wales.

 

That is pretty damn silly, and yes, pretty damned insulting to just about everyone....It's like they watched "Borat" and then decided that this is what all immigrants are like.... Is it the Welsh wing of the Labour Party or actually Plaid Cymru that are responsible for this though....?

 

That is pretty damn silly, and yes, pretty damned insulting to just about everyone....It's like they watched "Borat" and then decided that this is what all immigrants are like.... Is it the Welsh wing of the Labour Party or actually Plaid Cymru that are responsible for this though....?

 

Not sure tbh, I got emailed it and when I saw it was like "wtf :wacko: "

 

It seemed at best crude stereotyping of foreigners and at worse downright racist

 

 

the Assembly document... let's be honest, EVERYTHING Rhodri Morgan touches turns to $h!t - end of.

EXACTLY. The people who are running Austrailia are really just the descendents of British convicts ffs... And the Aussies sure dont like you to remind them of the fact.... :lol: How DARE they tell people from the Asian sub-continent that they cannot have a slice of the cake that they nicked off the Aborigines in the first fukkin' place.... The immigrants who go to Austrailia are not there to murder, rape and pillage the locals the way The Brits did back in the day, they're there just to make a life for themselves.. And why the hell not...? As far as I'm concerned Austrailia is another country founded on immigration (well, I suppose originally, it was founded upon being a place to dump loads of assorted criminal scum, dissidents and troublemakers...), but morally, these people do NOT have any right to keep it all to themselves because it does not belong to them, if it belongs to anyone, it belongs to the Aborigines, the real Austrailians....

I totally agree! Its too bad some people don't see it that way

This piece of news this morning will probably double the BNP vote :manson: :manson:

 

Outrageous IF true

 

 

 

 

MUSLIM radicals have established their own draconian court systems in Britain.

 

Controversial Sharia courts have been set up in major towns and cities to impose Islamic law and enable Muslims to shun the legitimate British legal system.

 

Last night religious leaders and politicians expressed outrage that Sharia law is gaining an increasing foothold in our society.

 

Critics insisted that the Govern­ment is allowing a two-tier legal system to flourish in the name of political correctness and that the authority of UK justice is being undermined.

 

The Daily Express can reveal that one of the controversial courts has been set up in the home town of the 7/7 London bombings ringleader.

 

Mohammed Siddique Khan was responsible for the Edgware Road Circle Line explosion which killed six people and injured 120. Our investigation has found that the Sharia court system has been set up in the heart of Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, and that it is a model for others across the country which are operating outside the British legal process.

 

 

British society must be one of free speech, free personal choice, democratic freedom and fairness Mark Wallace

 

The Dewsbury court is called the Sharee Council – another term for Sharia – and operates as a Muslim judiciary making decisions by which attendees must abide.

 

In many countries, hard-line interpretations of the Islamic law allow people to be stoned to death, beheaded or have their limbs amputated.

 

Non-Muslims are excluded from the secretive court which is registered as a charity to receive British tax benefits.

Although the court has no official legal standing, scales of justice adorn a sign outside a former pub building which has been converted by the Islamic Institute of Great Britain.

 

Last night the Sharia courts were blasted by both Christian and Muslim groups for their non-democratic attempts to establish their legal system.

 

Mark Wallace, campaign man­ager of the Freedom Asso­ciation said: “British society must be one of free speech, free personal choice, democratic freedom and fairness.

 

“If individual Muslims wish to inform their decisions by the teachings of Sharia, that is fine, but they must do it within the structures of British law and they must understand that sharia will never be acceptable as the legal system of the UK.”

 

His views were echoed by the Muslim Council of Britain, whose spokesman Inayat Bunglawala said: “We believe one legal code should apply for all citizens of the UK. There is no place for multiple legal systems for people of different religious or ethnic backgrounds.”

 

Dewsbury councillor Imtiaz Ameen, a Muslim, said: “Some people advocate total Sharia law but you cannot have it being the case in any country that there is one law for one and one law for another.”

 

Critics say the Government has not done enough to stop radical Muslim groups establishing their brand of law.

Liberal thinkers in the Gov­ernment claim that the law enables full-face veil-wearing Muslim women who are afraid of British courts to gain justice the “traditional way”.

 

But one insider told the Daily Express that the Sharia court, which is run from the backroom of a Madrasa – an Islamic education centre – in Dewsbury is just one of “dozens” operating in Asian communities. And a leading Muslim commentator claimed similar courts exist in every major city across Britain.

 

The Madrasa – which is a former pub situated less than a mile from the one-time home of London bombing mastermind Khan – sits as a court every other weekend and hears up to 10 cases a day.

 

Four Muslim scholars, who have spent their life studying and preaching the Koran, sit in judgment on an array of cases alongside a Muslim solicitor whose role is to advise on the implications of their rulings in British law.

 

The operation is headed by prominent scholar Sheikh Yaqub Munshi. Accounts for the Dewsbury court’s parent company the Islamic Research Institute of Great Britain, show that it was registered in Dewsbury as a charity in 1996 with the ethos of promoting the advancement of Islamic religion and education in the United Kingdom.

 

Charitable status allows the organisation to claim tax relief and apply for government grants and trustee funding.

 

Between April 1999 and April 2004 its gross annual turnover rocketed from £2,500 to above £177,000. At the end of the last financial year it recorded total funds of £255,000 but it is not known if or how it charges for use of the service.

 

At the moment, the leaders insist they only deal with civil matters such as Muslim divorces, wedding dowries and asset sharing.

 

But the secretive Muslim-only nature of the dealings will provoke fears that radical Sharia law could be allowed

to spread across the Muslim population. The source said: “These courts take the law into their own hands and dish out punishment for bad behaviour.

 

“I have not heard of physical punishments being used but those in the wrong are often ordered to pay compensation. Many who have no respect for British law are the most stringent observers of Sharia law.”

 

Sheikh Yaqub admitted that in­troducing Sharia law into the UK has been his goal since moving to Britain from **k*­stan in the 1960s.

 

But he insisted its main aim is to help repressed women who are trapped in bad or violent marriages and who dare not use British law.

 

He said: “Ever since I arrived here in the 1960s there has been a case of women being forced to get married, others forced to get married, but unhappy afterwards. Until now there was no organisation which could Islamically solve their problems.”

 

Sharia is derived from the Arabic translation Sariah and outlines Islamic law according to the Koran. The term means “way” or “path” and gives the Islamic framework within which people must regulate their lives according to the Muslim faith.

 

After the Sharia court has ruled in judgment, solicitors process matters officially through UK courts on their clients’ behalf.

 

Dr Patrick Sookhdeo, of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, said: “Sharia courts now operate in most larger cities, with different sectarian and ethnic groups operating their own courts that cater to their specific needs according to their tradition.”

 

Philip Davies, the Tory MP for Shipley, said: “I am ab­solutely appalled and find the prospect of such courts totally terrifying. Places like this should be closed down or else everybody will want to establish their own courts.

 

“How many more places like this are there in the UK? Who knows where it could all end? It simply cannot be tolerated.”

 

 

 

 

 

Erm, technically, we actually already have multiple legal systems in this country though, if the writer of this article actually had a clue he'd know this - Scottish Law is actually very different in many ways to English law, age of criminal responsibility in Scotland is eight years old, in England it is higher... The most obvious difference, however, being the "Not Proven" verdict..... The way Scottish Courts are set up is also different, you have Advocates, Lord Advocates, etc... There is no such thing in England..

 

There are MANY differences between Scots and English law, so to suggest that there is aren't already multiple legal systems in the UK is totally false.....

 

The question is, is Sharia Law going to actually affect Non-Muslims...? No, it is not... So, what fukkin' difference does it make if it does come into certain areas of Britain...? We may not like the idea of it, but as long as it is kept in its own particular sub-culture and in areas where Muslims are the vast majority and it does not affect Non-Muslims, then so fukkin' what...? It wont affect me, you or anyone else who aint a Muslim.... And from what I can gather from this article, the Sharia 'Courts' are only dealing in purely civil matters and matters of disagreements between individuals.... Big fukkin' deal..... So long as it stays within those parameters I dont see a problem tbh...

Erm, technically, we actually already have multiple legal systems in this country though, if the writer of this article actually had a clue he'd know this - Scottish Law is actually very different in many ways to English law, age of criminal responsibility in Scotland is eight years old, in England it is higher... The most obvious difference, however, being the "Not Proven" verdict..... The way Scottish Courts are set up is also different, you have Advocates, Lord Advocates, etc... There is no such thing in England..

 

There are MANY differences between Scots and English law, so to suggest that there is aren't already multiple legal systems in the UK is totally false.....

 

The question is, is Sharia Law going to actually affect Non-Muslims...? No, it is not... So, what fukkin' difference does it make if it does come into certain areas of Britain...? We may not like the idea of it, but as long as it is kept in its own particular sub-culture and in areas where Muslims are the vast majority and it does not affect Non-Muslims, then so fukkin' what...? It wont affect me, you or anyone else who aint a Muslim.... And from what I can gather from this article, the Sharia 'Courts' are only dealing in purely civil matters and matters of disagreements between individuals.... Big fukkin' deal..... So long as it stays within those parameters I dont see a problem tbh...

 

Its the principle though Scott, if we went to Pakistan or Saudi and started imposing christian or jewish law on the non muslim population we would be returned to the UK in a casket pretty damn quick with our heads removed so what's good for the goose should be good for the gander, I don't think it is right that they should be able to for instance stone adulterers and amputate limbs from thieves in this country when it is not part of our legal system (although I wish Blair would introduce amputations for thieves and muggers), I fully support the principle of muslims living here but they should live by OUR laws imposed by a democratically elected parliament.

 

Muslims should be coming here and embracing our culture and respecting our democratically elected laws, immigration is a good thing as long as they embrace Britain and do not create their own form of apartheid

Edited May 1, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Its the principle though Scott, if we went to Pakistan or Saudi and started imposing christian or jewish law on the non muslim population we would be returned to the UK in a casket pretty damn quick with our heads removed so what's good for the goose should be good for the gander, I don't think it is right that they should be able to for instance stone adulterers and amputate limbs from thieves in this country when it is not part of our legal system (although I wish Blair would introduce amputations for thieves and muggers), I fully support the principle of muslims living here but they should live by OUR laws imposed by a democratically elected parliament.

 

Muslims should be coming here and embracing our culture and respecting our democratically elected laws, immigration is a good thing as long as they embrace Britain and do not create their own form of apartheid

 

Well, I've yet to hear about any adulterers being stoned mate, and you've just contradicted yourself there by saying that you yourself would like to see a very 'Islamic' punishment for thieves and muggers.... The Muslim communities themselves do not appear to want to bring in such extreme sanctions, and the guy who introduced it himself is only talking about civil matters.... Sorry, but as someone who believes that Communities (not just the muslim ones, but ALL communities) should police themselves more and be much more empowered than they presently are, I see no problems with this so long as it stays within a civil sphere....

Well as long as any punishments they dish out are within the laws of this country then I guess I have no problem with it, as soon as I see the words sharia law I straight away think stonings and amputations and taking away the rights of women so assumed that this is what would be happening in the UK when I read this article but as long as that kinda thing doesn't take place I guess it is ok