April 15, 200718 yr Does there get to be a sub-forum for Mod music, or does that fit okay with Alternative?
April 15, 200718 yr Does there get to be a sub-forum for Mod music, or does that fit okay with Alternative? I suppose it depends who it is plus the 'aesthetics', 'integraty' 'authenticity' and 'manifestation' of the 'form'. Even though I've said that the indie kids/metalhead split seems to have simarlarities with the mods and rocker split of the late 60s (and the 70s punk answer to prog/90s britpop answer to grunge seems to work along the same cultural lines), I dont know enough about mod culture to fully answer this question. Suppose i need to read Jon Savage!!!! http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0571227201.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_SL160_.jpghttp://shop.utopia.com.au/images/large/84725.jpg However about Mod Revival bands wiki says: In the early and mid 1980s, a scene closely linked to the original mod ethics grew up around the Shepherds Bush nightclub Sneakers, run by Paul Hallam and Richard "Shirley" Early. The club featured rare RnB and soul music, as well as smart tailor-made clothing. Another main player was [b]Eddie Piller[/b], who went on to create the acid jazz movement of the late 1980s. In the mid 1980s, there was a brief mod revival centred on bands such as Makin' Time, The Scene, Small World, The Risk, The Moment, The Untouchables (from the US), The Jetset and The Prisoners, many of whom were featured on a Countdown Records compilation album . Fanzines such as Eddie Piller's Extraordinary Sensations and Chris Hunt's Shadows & Reflections helped generate interest the mod revival scene. The northern soul scene underwent a change of pace in the mid 1980s — with slower RnB-style records becoming popular at all-nighters at clubs such as Top Of The World in Stafford and the 100 Club in London. Some revival mods became interested in psychedelic rock music, as well as rare UK and United States garage rock music. This interest was partly sparked by companies re-issuing recordings by bands such as The Action and The Creation. Many revival mods joined the scooterist scene, which led to the scooterboy phenomenon of the 1980s. Several mods enjoyed a mixture of the two styles, although some scooterboys renounced any previous involvement with the mod subculture. The mod revival also had some crossover with 2 Tone and ska revival subcultures of the late 1970s and early 1980s, best known for bands such The Specials, The Beat, The Selecter, and Madness. Often these bands wore mod-like clothes, and their roots in black music paralleled that of the original mods. Legacy Paul Weller of The Jam went on to form The Style Council, [/u]a mid-1980s soul-influenced new wave band. After the breakup of that band, Weller established a commercially successful solo career. The 1990s Britpop movement was influenced by the mod revival, both in music and fashion. In the 2000s, some indie rock acts, such as The Ordinary Boys, Rinaldi Sings and Mark Joseph, have been influenced by the mod revival. Notable mod revival bands The Jam The Merton Parkas Secret Affair The Scene The Chords The Lambrettas Purple Hearts The Moment Untouchables However as the words Eddie Piller and Paul Weller have appeared probs best not to include them in an indie and alternative forum due to their associations and dabbling with the evil sounds of jazzfunk!!!!, and list them with the mainstream rock of the fray. Anyway at this moment in time Paul Weller is far to dadrock and Virgin (which is obv where you will find Suggs most days :lol: ) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Virginradio.gif More on Virgin Radio (#1 for dadrock it seems!!!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Noel Gallagher: exclusive tracks Listen to exclusive highlights from Noel Gallagher's TCT @ The Royal Albert Hall performance, plus hear what the Oasis man had to say about the music biz and fatherhood... Win: signed Mika album Mika is still hovering around the top of the charts and just in case you haven't picked one up yet, we've got five signed copies of his album to give away. Good luck! The Fray: Zoo Session The Denver foursome popped in to the Virgin Radio Zoo and recorded three live tracks, including How To Save A Life. You can watch the exclusive new video right here... What was new this week? It's the end of the week and that means that there's been an awful lot of news this week. Luckily we've cherry-picked the most important and the most ridiculous right here! Recommended music videos U2: With Or Without You The Fray: How To Save A Life Kaiser Chiefs: Ruby Ghosts: Stay The Night Paolo Nutini: New Shoes Our latest sessions and interviews The Proclaimers: Zoo Session Tony Hadley: Chat with Shane Richie Ghosts: Zoo Session The Fray: Zoo Session The Rolling Stones: Mick Jagger interview The hottest gig tickets in town... The Police: Back together and back on tour Travis: Don't miss their huge UK tour Bob Dylan: Extra Wembley date announced Pet Shop Boys: On tour this May War of the Worlds: Jeff Wayne's Musical Version Win with Lucozade Energy Lost your edge? Suggs has teamed up with Lucozade Energy so you can get your edge back! Design a guitar for Virgin Radio! Get involved in combining fantastic art creations with music superstars, all for charity, right here! Win with Sky Movies You could win a Sky+ box plus a years subscription to Sky, thanks to the great new Sky Movies channels! Shows: Suggs The Nutty Boy now has two shows on Virgin Radio. Afternoon Tea from 2pm weekdays, and Party Classics to start your weekend The Christian O'Connell Breakfast Show Join Christian O'Connell from 6am for the Breakfast Revolution, with Sky. The Geoff Show With evening radio's best guests, including Princess Anne, Salman Rushdie and Lord Attenborough. Just don't mention the Dalai Lama. Ben's Most Wanted Drivetime Ben drives the UK home with the music we all love, the latest travel and BP Ultimate. Make the switch today. The latest headline news, sport and entertainment John Travolta The star of the latest US hit comedy, Wild Hogs, chatted to Ben Jones about the movie, and his passion for riding motorbikes in real life Cuban fans of the Police could soon see them perform on their own soil after the country's government invited them to play there. The legend...
April 15, 200718 yr I'm not a buff on Mod music, I just know that alot of it is f***ing brilliant (imo) I'll do some research on some of those above that I don't have music by :D
April 15, 200718 yr Maybe something like American Rock or something like that.. Definately. But the Nickelbacks/Frays/Daughtrys/Hinders that are American Soft Rock culture at the moment could easily be filtered into pop. But to go with the older stuff then yeah
April 15, 200718 yr Definately. But the Nickelbacks/Frays/Daughtrys/Hinders that are American Soft Rock culture at the moment could easily be filtered into pop. But to go with the older stuff then yeah and also it works the other way with things that people think of as being pop being not pop whilst things that are marketed as bohemian and organic like James Morrison is just as cynically manufactured as Will Young (which was obv as the process was showed as a light entertainement TV show) However the dividing line between alternative and mainstream is so fine, thats its easy to end up the other side as time and opinions and taste change and its possible to go from one side of the spectrum to ultaevilmainstream or end up punching pork in the name of avantguard experimentalism!!!. So maybe it might be best to have just an indie and alternative section as one part, drop the rock and encompass the trip-hop, electric stuff as well as the dadrock/AOR/Stadium mainstream area??? :down: Looking in my magazine the other day there is a big full page advert for loads of new Korova Records/Echo and The Bunnymen releases. One of them is a band called Dalek I love You. Havent a clue who they are but think that they've got something to do with Echo and the Bunnymen http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Bij.jpg The band was formed in Liverpool in 1977 by Alan Gill (Vocals, Guitar) and David Balfe (Bass, Keyboards). The name came about as a result of a compromise between the two members: Balfe wanted to call the band Dalek (after the Doctor Who villains) and Gill wanted to call the band Darling, I Love You. In 1978, Balfe left the group to join Big in Japan and later The Teardrop Explodes. The line-up fluctuated over the next few years and band members included: Kenny Peers, Chris Hughes, Dave Hughes, Martin Cooper and, for a brief time, Andy McCluskey (the latter three would later be bandmates in OMD). Compass Kumpas CD ReleaseThe band was finally pared down to just Gill and Dave Hughes by the time they released their debut album Compass Kumpas in 1980 on the Phonogram label. Soon after the album's release, the band went on hiatus. Gill proceeded to join Balfe in The Teardrop Explodes in July of 1980. Gill co-wrote their most successful single, Reward. His stay with the band was short-lived however, and by 1981 he reformed Dalek I Love You Now one of the big guides of different indie record labels I've got is one about Factory Records (which is like one of the most important indie record labels ever, so importent that it got its history made into a film). Theres are loads of random acts like Durutti Column, Cabaret Voltaire (dont know who they are but there is a poster in Ferris Bueller's bedroom!!!), A Certain Ratio (????) and also FAC 6 - Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Electricity" (sleeve was designed by Peter Saville). So Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark were a alternative act, who at some point sold out and became pop before then making the ultimate evil act by inventing Atomic Kitten and Abi Clancy :lol: :lol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/McCluskey.jpg Big in Japan were a punk band that emerged from Liverpool, England in the late 1970s. They are better known for the later successes of their band members than for their own music. According to the Liverpool Echo, Big in Japan were "a supergroup with a difference - its members only became super after they left"[1] History Coming from the same Merseyside scene as Echo & the Bunnymen, The Teardrop Explodes, OMD and Dalek I Love You, Big in Japan formed in late 1977. They started off playing gigs around Liverpool, most notably at the seminal Eric's Club.[1] Their stage show was unique: lead singer Jayne Casey would perform with a lampshade over her shaved head, guitarist Bill Drummond played in a kilt and bassist Holly Johnson performed in a flamboyant manner which he would later take further in Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Members Budgie - later of The Slits and then Siouxsie & the Banshees Ian Broudie - later of Original Mirrors, Care, The Lightning Seeds and a respected producer Bill Drummond - later of Lori & the Chameleons, the Zoo record label, the JAMMS, and The KLF Jayne Casey - later of Pink Military and Pink Industry and then leading light in the Liverpool club and arts scenes Holly Johnson - later of Frankie Goes to Hollywood and solo artist Kev Ward and Phil Allen - no further musical activity David Balfe - later also of Lori & the Chameleons, and The Teardrop Explodes and the Food record label from here the wiki tells us: Food Records was a record label set up in 1984 by Andy Ross and David Balfe. Originally formed as an independent record label with distribution going through Rough Trade Distribution, Food licenced acts to the Polygram offshoot London and Warner's WEA Records, before becoming closely associated with the EMI group's Parlophone label. In 1988 EMI invested in the label, whilst in 1994 EMI gained complete control and folded it into Parlophone a few years later Food, as a sub-label of EMI, was the record label of Britpop band Blur , Idlewild, Hilary Clinton's faves Jesus Jones, Dubstar, Octopus and Grass Show http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Blurparklife.jpg this is a bit like Mute Records (home of Depeche Mode) who is owned now by EMI. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Toasthawaiilogg.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Dubstar.jpg this is Dubstar, an alternative act who sound quite pop to people who dont get 'it'. tkVEanmOAq0 F2s8aBj57mE this is the Frazier Chorus an indie-dance band who were on 4AD, another important indie label known for releasing records featuring pork chops being slapped by Scott Walker <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t5whALToRg" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t5whALToRg</a> last week the frazer chorus were mentioned in the guardian in the review for the Junior Boys who are a Canadian indie electronic group signed to Domino records: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/JuniorBoys.jpg xbVxp4Hl-Ik Now Domino Records is very very famous for having loads of number ones by these dudes http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Arctic-mon_72.jpg while another indie record label with loads of number one hits was Creation which had loads of number ones by this lot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Oasis_Noel_and_Liam_WF.jpg The Who!!!! :lol:, sorry i mean Oasis!!!!! Now Creation (partly funded by Sony/SonyBMG) was run and founded by Alan McGee and featured bands like Technique (named after a New Order album!!!) Primal Scream The Jesus and Mary Chain Super Furry Animals Teenage Fanclub The Boo Radleys 3 Colours Red My Bloody Valentine Ride Swervedriver Slowdive The House of Love Adorable Fluke Felt Saint Etienne The Telescopes 18 Wheeler btw wiki states that Alan McGee "currently manages under Creation Management, The Charlatans, Mogwai, Dirty Pretty Things, King Biscuit Time/Black Affair, Norman Blake, a new Welsh band called The Peth and in recent times The Paddingtons" He also manages his wifes band: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Client-heartland.jpg who are to be found in the pop section with Nickelback. so obv the Blur and Oasis britpop thread should follow those too and be moved there too, as well as the now mainstream sounds of Fall Out Boy and MCR. I'm not a buff on Mod music, I just know that alot of it is f***ing brilliant (imo) I'll do some research on some of those above that I don't have music by :D yeah thats what i normally do, if an albums not £3 it takes me ages to decide whether its a goer have to go thru the critics and youtube etc etc
April 15, 200718 yr Definately. But the Nickelbacks/Frays/Daughtrys/Hinders that are American Soft Rock culture at the moment could easily be filtered into pop. But to go with the older stuff then yeah all these bands are $h!te, but obv i wouldnt go as far to put them next to scooch and all the radio disney stuff. nothing to do whether they are good enough or not, personal taste or whatever. to do with common sense and demographics and marketing. obv at the moment they have to go in pop as there is no mainstream rock area. What do the mods think? also Mods should not equate personal taste but be there for their marketplace, their clients, however the different sub-areas to provide these area have to be there in the first place or both indie and metal will have to be opened up to encompass all the acts that have to go under these area ad be ultra general. you either do on thing or another. cant be doing a bit of both. have to remember the branding and enforce it.
April 16, 200718 yr I've looked at the excellent All Music Guide for reference. They have essentially broken the ROCK genre into four quarters (excuse the Led Zeppelin song reference :lol:): 1. Alternative/Indie Rock/Experimental - so as well as including the jangly post Brit-pop & US College Rock bands they would include the likes of Radiohead, Muse & Arcade Fire in this category. 2. Hard Rock - In a nutshell these are the acts that are largely covered by John's current OF - Metal, Grunge, Thrash & Industrial Rock acts. This would also cover classic Blues Rock/Heavy Metal & Punk/Garage Rock acts like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Stooges, Sex Pistols, Clash, AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Guns'N'Roses, etc - although one could argue they belong in the retro forum. 3. New Wave Punk/Emo - This is a genre for all the acts that certainly their chief writer is not impressed with (& certainly I agree with him), i.e. all those fake USA (wannabe) acts who pretend to be punk acts but sound like Busted or a rubbish Clash or Smashing Pumpkins turned up to 11 (i.e. Green Day, Offspring, MCR, LostProphets, P!ATD, FOB, etc.) 4. Soft Rock (AOR) - A dumping ground for Aerosmith, Nickleback, Bon Jovi, Ocean Colour Scene, Paul Weller, The Fray, etc. In other words acts Radio 1 after 7PM Monday to Thursday would not be seen dead playing. But Radio 2 would embrace like a Uncle putting on a cardigan in Autumn he has not warn since Spring.
April 17, 200718 yr I've looked at the excellent All Music Guide for reference. They have essentially broken the ROCK genre into four quarters (excuse the Led Zeppelin song reference :lol:): 1. Alternative/Indie Rock/Experimental - so as well as including the jangly post Brit-pop & US College Rock bands they would include the likes of Radiohead, Muse & Arcade Fire in this category. 2. Hard Rock - In a nutshell these are the acts that are largely covered by John's current OF - Metal, Grunge, Thrash & Industrial Rock acts. This would also cover classic Blues Rock/Heavy Metal & Punk/Garage Rock acts like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Stooges, Sex Pistols, Clash, AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Guns'N'Roses, etc - although one could argue they belong in the retro forum. 3. New Wave Punk/Emo - This is a genre for all the acts that certainly their chief writer is not impressed with (& certainly I agree with him), i.e. all those fake USA (wannabe) acts who pretend to be punk acts but sound like Busted or a rubbish Clash or Smashing Pumpkins turned up to 11 (i.e. Green Day, Offspring, MCR, LostProphets, P!ATD, FOB, etc.) 4. Soft Rock (AOR) - A dumping ground for Aerosmith, Nickleback, Bon Jovi, Ocean Colour Scene, Paul Weller, The Fray, etc. In other words acts Radio 1 after 7PM Monday to Thursday would not be seen dead playing. But Radio 2 would embrace like a Uncle putting on a cardigan in Autumn he has not warn since Spring. Okay, so where would "Goth" and "Industrial" fit into your 'four quarters' rule mate...? I might want to do a "Grim's Top 30 or 40 Goth tunes" at one point in the future, where would you suggest I put it....? As it is just now, it slots into the Metal/Punk Forum cos it kinda straddles both camps, but your suggestion would pretty much kibosh everything....
April 17, 200718 yr Does there get to be a sub-forum for Mod music, or does that fit okay with Alternative? got one already... its called RETRO.. :)
April 17, 200718 yr Author Indie/ Alternative- Kooks, Nickel Back, Oasis etc Jesus - I'm astounded at what people consider to be alternative these days. I would refuse to go into a subforum that catered for that. I was thinking more along the lines of one for The Long Blondes, We're From Barcelona, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Arcade Fire - you know...things which aren't resident in the top 10. Oasis I can just about accept as they were once relevant, but The Kooks are a product of post-Libertines w*** and Nickelback are the least alternative thing I can think of - Bon Jovi meets Pearl Jam - absolute gash.
April 18, 200718 yr Does there get to be a sub-forum for Mod music, or does that fit okay with Alternative? got one already... its called RETRO.. :) but what happens when another Mod revival happens??? seeing as it has been said everything goes round and round like groundhog day and as you have stated thats its a forum for things before April 1997 (even though George Micheal's outside was released October 1998 and Dermot Morgan died in 28 February 1998) I've looked at the excellent All Music Guide for reference. 1. Alternative/Indie Rock/Experimental - so as well as including the jangly post Brit-pop & US College Rock bands they would include the likes of Radiohead, Muse & Arcade Fire in this category. 2. Hard Rock - In a nutshell these are the acts that are largely covered by John's current OF - Metal, Grunge, Thrash & Industrial Rock acts. This would also cover classic Blues Rock/Heavy Metal & Punk/Garage Rock acts like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Stooges, Sex Pistols, Clash, AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Guns'N'Roses, etc - although one could argue they belong in the retro forum. 3. New Wave Punk/Emo - This is a genre for all the acts that certainly their chief writer is not impressed with (& certainly I agree with him), i.e. all those fake USA (wannabe) acts who pretend to be punk acts but sound like Busted or a rubbish Clash or Smashing Pumpkins turned up to 11 (i.e. Green Day, Offspring, MCR, LostProphets, P!ATD, FOB, etc.) 4. Soft Rock (AOR) - A dumping ground for Aerosmith, Nickleback, Bon Jovi, Ocean Colour Scene, Paul Weller, The Fray, etc. In other words acts Radio 1 after 7PM Monday to Thursday would not be seen dead playing. But Radio 2 would embrace like a Uncle putting on a cardigan in Autumn he has not warn since Spring. The only thing you have to rememeber is that acts and genre's definitions change over time and between countries and so you have to be sure who you are 'narrowcasting' to. Esp if you are not gonna have the indie and metal areas covering a wide range (they have to be equal so if ones perpectives is narrow so does the other its only fair!!!) Also you have to remember that Alternative is not just rock, but encompasses twee pop things and certain electronica too!! while for seeing how some britpop indie things are now totally mainstream and how the dadrockers fit in have a look at this list: Essential Songs: 2cd track listing Disc One 1. Patience-Take That 2. Never Be Lonely-The Feeling 3. You Give Me Something-James Morrison 4. Put Your Records On-Corinne Bailey Rae 5. Last Request-Paolo Nutini 6. Rehab-Amy Winehouse 7. No Tomorrow-Orson 8. Mr Brightside-The Killers 9. Nature's Law-Embrace 10. Say What You Want-Texas 11. Lovesong-The Cure 12. Never Tear Us Apart-INXS 13. Wild Wood-Paul Weller 14. Fields Of Gold-Sting 15. Nightswimming-R.E.M. 16. Your Song-Elton John 17. JCB Song-Nizlopi 18. Heartbeats-Jose Gonzalez Disc Two 1. America-Razorlight 2. Chasing Cars-Snow Patrol 3. Is It Any Wonder?-Keane 4. Wisemen-James Blunt 5. Shiver-Lucie Silvas 6. Everybody's Gone To War-Nerina Pallot 7. Do You Remember The First Time?-Pulp 8. Going Underground-The Jam 9. I Don't Like Mondays-The Boomtown Rats 10. Sowing The Seeds Of Love-Tears For Fears 11. Wild World-Cat Stevens 12. The Closest Thing To Crazy-Katie Melua 13. High And Dry-Jamie Cullum 14. You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome-Madeleine Peyroux 15. The Look Of Love-Dusty Springfield 16. I Heard It Through The Grapevine-Marvin Gaye 17. It's A Man's Man's Man's World-James Brown 18. What A Wonderful World-Louis Armstrong ESSENTIAL SONGS - SPRING COLLECTION (2CD) - Various Tracklisting: CD 1: Shine - Take That Grace Kelly - MIKA Ruby - Kaiser Chiefs Before I Fall To Pieces - Razorlight You Do Something To Me - Paul Weller Wonderful Life - Black Passing Stranger - Scott Matthews (Radio Edit) What You're Made Of - Lucie Silvas (Radio Edit) Friday I'm In Love - The Cure Linger - The Cranberries There She Goes - The La's Little By Little - Oasis CD 2: Wonderful World - James Morrison You Know I'm No Good - Amy Winehouse (Radio Edit) Starz In Their Eyes - Just Jack (Radio Edit) When You Were Young - The Killers Bright Idea - Orson (Radio Edit) Land of a Thousand Words - Scissor Sisters Lifted - Lighthouse Family Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears Song For Whoever - The Beautiful South Lovefool - The Cardigans (Radio Edit) The Riverboat Song - Ocean Colour Scene Chelsea Dagger - The Fratellis (Radio Edit) Lonely At The Top - The Ordinary Boys Luka - Suzanne Vega Daniel - Elton John Nine Million Bicycles - Katie Melua Caravan Of Love - The Housemartins Songbird - Eva Cassidy Maybe instead of having a dadrock you could just have a Ken Bruce forum and put all the adult stuff in there like Adult R&B like Beverley Knight???
April 18, 200718 yr Jesus - I'm astounded at what people consider to be alternative these days. I would refuse to go into a subforum that catered for that. Yeah man there is so much good stuff out there but obv 99.9% of people on buzzjack are sucked into that whole cycle of not being at all intrested in music but really celebrity and only knowing stuff from massive radio and press, the usual airplay-keeping the advertisers happy with that computer hit predictor software that develop the same kinda playlist on the majority of radio station etc thing rather tan going and finding a great band online/at the su/gigs/festivals etc as for Oasis if they didnt have their own area it would be mainstream rock all the way now for them
Create an account or sign in to comment