I didnt say Industrial I said Industrial Metal. And I believe that mainstream, polished bands are way better for overall enjoyment than the "underground" or lesser known bands. Ive tried that scene, It was like trying to force myself to like it. I would rather listen to watered down, mainstream bands. You wouldnt, thats your opinion, I have my opinion. No-one is right here, its a difference of opinions. Are you saying just because my favourite genre is industrial metal that I have to listen to those shjtty bands you just listed? The answer is No. Skinny Puppy and Neubauten, i have listened to. Its not my thing. Eisbrecher, Rammstein, The Birthday Massacre & Rob Zombie is what I listen to. They are industrial metal, so how can u possibly say I dont like industrial metal you idiot. I like what I want to like, but true to what I said and the artists I just listed, I listen mostly to industrial metal.

actually scott... i think nightmara is right here. they are allowed to like whatever appeals to them at this moment in time. maybe their tastes might get more sophisticated, maybe not (mine didnt...lol), but if they are getting pleasure in an honest way, out of a particular style of music then good for them!

I didnt say Industrial I said Industrial Metal. And I believe that mainstream, polished bands are way better for overall enjoyment than the "underground" or lesser known bands. Ive tried that scene, It was like trying to force myself to like it. I would rather listen to watered down, mainstream bands. You wouldnt, thats your opinion, I have my opinion. No-one is right here, its a difference of opinions. Are you saying just because my favourite genre is industrial metal that I have to listen to those shjtty bands you just listed? The answer is No. Skinny Puppy and Neubauten, i have listened to. Its not my thing. Eisbrecher, Rammstein, The Birthday Massacre & Rob Zombie is what I listen to. They are industrial metal, so how can u possibly say I dont like industrial metal you idiot. I like what I want to like, but true to what I said and the artists I just listed, I listen mostly to industrial metal.

 

Just so happens that I like White Zombie/Rob Zombie and Birthday Massacre too (frankly Birthday Massacre are a LOT better than the rubbish Marilyn Manson is inflicting us with these days, and they certainly are more deserving of fame than Evanescence...).... But I reckon that LP and MM are just watered down versions of what ole Rob was doing with "Sexorcisto" anyway, as well as ripping off Trent..... Rob Zombie is someone that I do regard with a great deal of respect, as I do Rammstein, but even they borrowed a lot from Ministry, KMFDM and NIN... And if you've got no room in your record collection for Ministry's "Psalm 69", "Land of Rape and Honey" or "The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste" (pretty much the (un)holy trinity of Industrial Metal....) or at least one or two KMFDM albums, then as far as I'm concerned you are not a real fan of Industrial Metal... It would be like a Punk saying they don't like "Never Mind The Bollocks" or a Goth saying they dont like "Floodland" or a Metal fan saying they dont like Black Sabbath, certain things are just fundamental... All genres have their 'essentials', and those are the ones for Industrial Metal....

 

I just dont get what you find so 'hard' about with Nine Inch Nails, I really don't, they're one of the easiest Industrial bands to get into.... They were my springboard into stuff like FLA, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Nitzer Ebb, etc..... I vivdly remember being an 18-year old NIN fan and being round one of my older mates' flats and him being a total Rivethead shoving a load of home-made tapes of Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Neubauten, Faust, Can, Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, KMFDM, etc... into my hands saying "If you like Nine Inch Nails, yer gonna LOVE this lot.....". He wasn't wrong....

actually scott... i think nightmara is right here. they are allowed to like whatever appeals to them at this moment in time. maybe their tastes might get more sophisticated, maybe not (mine didnt...lol), but if they are getting pleasure in an honest way, out of a particular style of music then good for them!

 

But he/she has no right to talk bollocks about NIN being 'over-rated', the lack of respect for a pioneer of the genre is something I take issue with rather than the personal likes or dislikes.... If they didn't exist, then they wouldn't be listening to the music they listen to cos all the band he/she has listed has borrowed heavily from NIN, Ministry, Skinny Puppy, etc.... It would be like John as a Metal fan dissing Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath or a Punk dissing The Sex Pistols or The Clash.... It's nonsense....

 

All of our fave bands wax lyrical about their influnces and they want their fans to listen to stuff that inspired them.... As a 14-year old Metal kid I got into stuff like Hendrix, Sabbath, Cream, Deep Purple, Zep and others because the bands that I was listening to at the time (Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, etc...) were all going on about how these bands inspired them....

it all depends if they are saying it as a generalisation, or as a personal opinion, i thought they were saying the latter in which case be it right or wrong its vallied. id sooner someone give an honest opinion on something they say something they dont really believe just to be 'in' 'hip' or 'right'.

I don't think Linking Park, Manson or Ev 'perfected' anything NIN did at all, they watered it down and made it commercial.... Have you heard Manson's past couple of albums - utterly WEAK..... And Linkin Park have just turned into another Good Charlotte/Fall Out Boy pissy, wanky little Emo band

 

this criticism is also given by the Guardan Guide singles reviews this week

Just so happens that I like White Zombie/Rob Zombie and Birthday Massacre too (frankly Birthday Massacre are a LOT better than the rubbish Marilyn Manson is inflicting us with these days, and they certainly are more deserving of fame than Evanescence...).... But I reckon that LP and MM are just watered down versions of what ole Rob was doing with "Sexorcisto" anyway, as well as ripping off Trent..... Rob Zombie is someone that I do regard with a great deal of respect, as I do Rammstein, but even they borrowed a lot from Ministry, KMFDM and NIN... And if you've got no room in your record collection for Ministry's "Psalm 69", "Land of Rape and Honey" or "The Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste" (pretty much the (un)holy trinity of Industrial Metal....) or at least one or two KMFDM albums, then as far as I'm concerned you are not a real fan of Industrial Metal... It would be like a Punk saying they don't like "Never Mind The Bollocks" or a Goth saying they dont like "Floodland" or a Metal fan saying they dont like Black Sabbath, certain things are just fundamental... All genres have their 'essentials', and those are the ones for Industrial Metal....

 

I just dont get what you find so 'hard' about with Nine Inch Nails, I really don't, they're one of the easiest Industrial bands to get into.... They were my springboard into stuff like FLA, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Nitzer Ebb, etc..... I vivdly remember being an 18-year old NIN fan and being round one of my older mates' flats and him being a total Rivethead shoving a load of home-made tapes of Ministry, Skinny Puppy, Neubauten, Faust, Can, Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, KMFDM, etc... into my hands saying "If you like Nine Inch Nails, yer gonna LOVE this lot.....". He wasn't wrong....

Ok look this is getting too far, im not spending half an hour a day replying to this topic. No matter what else came before, or after, fact is my favourite bands are Eisbrecher, Rammstein, Birthday Massacre and Rob Zombie. That means im listening to mostly industrial metal, and theres plenty more aswell. I think u listed KMFDM, I listen to them aswell. So I like industrial, but maybe not the industrial u like. Its like us both liking chocolate, but I prefer Rolos and you prefer Mars Bars.

Edited May 6, 200718 yr by Nightmara

Its like us both liking chocolate, but I prefer Rolos and you prefer Mars Bars.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol: what awful taste in chocolate you all have :puke2: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Its like us both liking chocolate, but I prefer Rolos and you prefer Mars Bars.

 

I'm more of a Thornton's man myself tbh.... :lol: :lol: Or a nice bit of Sainsbury's Belgian chocolate.....

 

All kidding aside though.... Fair enough if you;re not really into NIN or Skinny Pup, but I think you're a bit off to call them "$h!tty" or "over-rated".... At least give them the respect they're due, they created the music you listen to after all.... You came across like a 14 year old "Goffick", when I dont think in retrospect that was really your intent at all....

 

But surely you gotta like some Ministry, Pigface or Revolting Cocks.... A Rob Zombie fan really should....

lol im not a 14 year old goffick. Im 18 and pretty much have an extremely varied taste in music. Im not afraid to say I like Andrew WK or Bullet for my Valentine. My guitar teacher says ill grow out of these few "embarassing" bands, I suppose hes right :P. Andrew WK is like the party songs, he just gets me going on a friday night lol. How long have u liked The Birthday Massacre grim?

lol im not a 14 year old goffick. Im 18 and pretty much have an extremely varied taste in music. Im not afraid to say I like Andrew WK or Bullet for my Valentine. My guitar teacher says ill grow out of these few "embarassing" bands, I suppose hes right :P. Andrew WK is like the party songs, he just gets me going on a friday night lol. How long have u liked The Birthday Massacre grim?

 

Since I saw them at M'Era Luna Goth festival in Germany a couple of years back...

 

lol im not a 14 year old goffick. Im 18 and pretty much have an extremely varied taste in music. Im not afraid to say I like Andrew WK or Bullet for my Valentine. My guitar teacher says ill grow out of these few "embarassing" bands, I suppose hes right :P. Andrew WK is like the party songs, he just gets me going on a friday night lol.

 

yeah andrew wk is fun, however in the uk think he's def on the totally uncool list now, even tho his latest alb is supposed to be great (well for something thats total party dumbass tunes)

 

btw i always thought this cover design was awesome. totally cool design even tho it got complaints about it and had to be censored by some retailers.

 

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005RY7X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I'm starting to like them actually. :o

I agree. I heard one of thier songs, and it was good, but then al lthe rest where exactly the same. I downloaded three and I've got all the NIN I'll ever need

I agree. I heard one of thier songs, and it was good, but then al lthe rest where exactly the same. I downloaded three and I've got all the NIN I'll ever need

 

With all due respect, you're talking about ONE album here, correct.....? I would assume you're talking about downloads from "Year Zero"..... Well, considering that "Year Zero" is actually a CONCEPT ALBUM with a lot of recurring themes throughout it, the tracks are gonna have a fairly similarish, uniform sound to them..... And "Year Zero" is NOT the album that a novice to NIN should start off with tbh.... I would advise you listen to "Pretty Hate Machine", "Broken", "The Fragile" and "The Downward Spiral" and then attempt to listen to "Year Zero"...... THEN tell me that all NIN songs "sound the same"......

 

I've been a fan for a while. Well, for a while considering I'm only 15 years old (since I was 12). I think they're rated just right, for once. They're sure as hell not overrated. Their newer stuff doesn't appeal to me as much as the older (though it is what got me into them and it is good), but I don't think they're underrated either.

 

A genre defying band, really. That counts for a lot.

 

Just because you don't like them does NOT mean that you decide how much impact that have had, etc.

I think they are $h!t.

Trent is a damned fine producer but I can't stand his vocals and the lyrics are at horrendous at times.

 

In a Warm Place remains his most enduring piece. I'd rather listen to Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith and Devotion if I want this sort of thing.

:lol: what a bump!

Well since I'm here I'll add my two penneth worth.

 

 

Bought Pretty Hate Machine back in 1991, thought it was alright but had a few standout tracks. Broken was brilliant and to me remains his best work. Downward Spiral is good but has some pointless stuff on it. Ater that I'd describe Trent's career as patchy. And Tony's right about his lyrics. Sometimes they're too sixth form schoolboy.

So... Overrrated?

 

Yes.

 

Massively influential and kind of legendary? That too.

 

But much of the music doesn't match the reputation.