It does seem she's gone a bit loopy loop doesn't it? :(

Such a shame because I've always had upmost respect for this woman and idolised her for such a long time - I'd hate to think that's what she's really like. But like Natalie said - I see her AS Evanescence - she can get any old Tom. Dick or Harry to play the instruments or whatever but they could never replace her but still that doesn't give her the right to behave towards other people like that.

Really disappointed in some respects but then we don't really know the full story - someone says this, someone else says that so I guess we can all draw our own conclusions.

I can't say whether or not who's to blame in this because we still don't have the main story. One story says Rocky left in January and would finish the tour, and John was still fired for no reason, and the other says Rocky walked out in protest. I'm still really interested to find out why she fired him.

 

Rocky has acted immaturly with the 'Evanescence Sucks' but John hasn't exactly been completely childish or anything. His blog seemed as though he was really disheartened, and I don't think there was anything wrong in what he said. Sure, he called her 'Shallow', but it does seem that way from the recent interview when it was basically all 'me, me, me'. And IF He was fired for no good reason and without warning, I don't think it's unreasonable for him to be at least a bit hurt or angry? He put a lot of effort into the band, and I'd be pretty pissed to be kickd out of something I felt passionately about. BUT, we don't know the whole story..

 

Her statement was okay, but it was very vague. Told us nothing about what had happened, but there might be legal restrictions or something, I don't know. But as she's Evanescence now I thought she could have said what she wanted and do what she wanted. To be honest, her sister Lori made a better job of explaining to the fans.

Well this is ridiculous, Evanescence is Amy's band, she owns Evanescence it's her record contract. She's not power hungry, she's a business woman in control of her career.

 

Amy and Terry wrote 90% of the new album which everyone loves and they're both still in the band. We will never know why John got fired but it's not like it was for no reason, no one calls one of their fellow bandmates out of the blue and kicks them out.

 

None of the Evanescence line ups are the same as the day the band was founded, but they don't suck and looks like they've found new musicians to fill the gaps already. None of the dates are being cancelled. None of them! I believe the reason the Manchester show was cancelled last time was because of John aswell...

 

John goes on about loyalty yet he's the first one to bring out petty insults. He's out calling Amy 'shallow' yet he's the biggest baby in it all. Rocky puts up on his Myspace 'Evanescence sucks' well dude sophisticated comeback! Amy's statement isn't insulting or in anyway childish which shows who's been big in all of this.

 

I can wholly admit right now, I only like Evanescence for Amy (she's right when she says people only usually go to see her). I also like Terry and Tim but it's not like their in the league of Amy in my eyes. I'm just saying what I think, don't jump down my throat here. I still respect her, I don't think she'll come out any worse because of this. It's not like she's not thinking of her fans. I'm a fan I freakin' love her and the band is still going on so happy days really.

 

So, Evanescence is Amy's band then...? Well, okay fine, if she wants to run it as a business and just have the musicians clock in and out and the beginning and end of every day that's her prerogative I suppose, she IS running a 'business' after all.... Sorry, but call me old-fashioned, when did creating music become a 'businesss' or a 'career'....? Musta missed that meeting... It is an incredibly shallow way of looking at it if you ask me, I'm with John and Rocky on this, in the past you could point to Ben Moody and say he was the 'bad' one, but now, with so many comings and goings, it's getting a shade ridiculous and it's not just a case of one-way traffic. She's almost as nuts as Billy Corgan or Trent Reznor, but at least they actually gave the world some genuinely groundbreaking music out of the obsessive control freakery, but Corgan ended up driving so many people away from him, and now his attempts to recreate the Smashing Pumpkins without D'arcy or James Iha is a touch on the pathetic side tbh, I can see Ev heading the same way, just grinding away going through the motions, a shadow of former glories like Corgan..... Evanescence has yet to produce anything to match up to "Siamese Dream", "Pretty Hate Machine", "Year Zero", "Machina/Machines of God" or "Mellon Collie and Infinite Sadness", so I reckon Amy should be taking in a few other people's ideas as well tbh, cos she aint a Corgan or a Reznor, nowhere even close....

 

None of the dates are being cancelled. None of them! I believe the reason the Manchester show was cancelled last time was because of John aswell...

 

That's a slight untruth there Natalie, wasn't it the case that John's other half was actually having their child...?? I think I asked this at the time, but I think the question is worth asking again - just what fukkin' idiot scheduled the tour for roundabout the time when a band-member was about to have their first child ffs....? Real sensitive of the record company and Amy, I must fukkin' say..... <_<

 

And, oh great, Amy's drafted in a couple of random session musos for Download.... Whoop-de-doo, the crowd'll really respond well to that..... She'll probably kick those guys out a couple of weeks later for, I dunno, looking at her the wrong way or summat, maybe changing the chord progressions just a tad....? Improvising a bit onstage....?

She was also pretty stingy when it came to helping out the official forum, EvBoard.

 

The owner E-mailed her asking if she wouldn't mind supporting the board as they were getting low on funds and couldn't keep the board running.

 

Amy meant to send an e-mail to her manager, but sent it back to the owner of the board by accident saying;

"Would you deal with this, kind sir? I'm about to rip a new one into this guy"

 

Pretty horrible considering he's helped bring together a huge fanbase for the band. Even if she couldn't actually afford to help out the board, she could have been a little more diplomatic about it. I'd be greatful to anyone who was running a board like that.

 

She obviously had the funds though. A week later, her thanks to the owner, was to create 'EvThreads', completely deserting the original board the owner spent a lot of time and money maintaining. She now owns EvThreads. I guess she just wants control of everything.

She was also pretty stingy when it came to helping out the official forum, EvBoard.

 

The owner E-mailed her asking if she wouldn't mind supporting the board as they were getting low on funds and couldn't keep the board running.

 

Amy meant to send an e-mail to her manager, but sent it back to the owner of the board by accident saying;

"Would you deal with this, kind sir? I'm about to rip a new one into this guy"

 

Pretty horrible considering he's helped bring together a huge fanbase for the band. Even if she couldn't actually afford to help out the board, she could have been a little more diplomatic about it. I'd be greatful to anyone who was running a board like that.

 

She obviously had the funds though. A week later, her thanks to the owner, was to create 'EvThreads', completely deserting the original board the owner spent a lot of time and money maintaining. She now owns EvThreads. I guess she just wants control of everything.

 

Jeez, what an ungrateful little cow.... <_< If this is the respect she shows for her most ardent fans.......

 

It all sounds like Amy is suffering from a mental condition known as Axlroseitis. <_<:lol:

It all sounds like Amy is suffering from a mental condition known as Axlroseitis. <_<:lol:

 

 

Brilliant diagnosis Doctor Thisispop..... :lol: Could not agree more... Axl's own petty self-importance and inflated ego ended up totally destroying one of the best US Hard Rock bands of the 80s.... I get the distinct feeling that the same is gonna happen here......

 

Be prepared to wait the next 12 years for the third "Evancescence" album folks....... Possible title - "Iranian Democracy" perhaps....?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

God i love evanescence and Amy, but she sounds like shes gone mad, hmm.

Creating music is not a business it's a passion but getting your music out there and making money from it is a career and a business earner.

 

And yes you could say John's other half was having their child but why agree to go on tour when you know there's a possibility your wife will go into labour. It can be looked at in more than one way there!

 

Amy's not gone mad, it's her decision who to employ and if John and Rocky were so passionate about Evanescence why did they go on stage in Machina shirts all the time. Bit of an unsubtle plug... As for the board issues, that's pretty much for the owner and Amy to judge. I mean you could understand she'd be a little annoyed if someone started emailing asking for money, she did in the end pay for a new board and put the same guy as admin, so don't know why that's a massive deal here.

 

I bet if you asked half of the audience at Download to name all the members of Evanescence past/present they wouldn't come up with anyone but Amy. Simple as in my mind. I'm not saying the rest of the guys don't matter but looking at the bigger picture if it was time for them all to part ways then so be it I don't personally think it will have a massive effect at the end of the day.

Amy's not gone mad, it's her decision who to employ and if John and Rocky were so passionate about Evanescence why did they go on stage in Machina shirts all the time. Bit of an unsubtle plug...

 

So they wore Machina T-shirts, big effin' deal, is it gonna affect Evanescence's sales...? Members of bands have always gone on stage wearing other band's T-shirts, it's a Rock/Metal tradition, the guys in Slayer used to wear Iron Maiden and Venom tops.. I dont see it as being any different to Maynard James Keenan going out playing for A Perfect Circle and wearing a Tool shirt, or vice versa... He's in both bands, he shows an equal committment to both, it is possible you know.... Plenty of musicians in bands have more than one thing going (Maynard being one example, but there are others like Devin Townsend who has two completely separate bands as well - Devin Townsend Band and Strapping Young Lad), and it does not cause any conflicts. I say again, she is being totally unreasonable here and acting like they were cheating on her with another woman.... Silly bint..... And just how much control would John actually have on when the touring schedule would be...? Not a whole lot I reckon, seeing as how he was obviously treated as a totally subservient 'hired hand' and probably not even allowed much say....

 

I'm thinking that most folks at Download coud at least name Ben Moody.... And, just cos she's the public image of Evanescence it does not give her the right to act in this totally unreasonable manner... When Tarja from Nightwish started coming over all "Diva", she got sacked and, as much as I love Tarja, rightly so, in the end she thought she was bigger than the band, she wasn't; Axl Rose also thought he was bigger than everyone else in G N R, and well, we all know what happened there... At the end of the day, arrogance and egotism makes you very lonely, Amy may end up being as much of a pariah as Axl is if she aint careful.... Terry was a major contributor to the sound of "The Open Door", as much as Amy I reckon, so he should be getting credit for it, end of story...

 

Amy should really learn to be more like Cristina Scabbia of Lacuna Coil, be the public face or spokesperson for the band, sure, but give the other guys in the band the credit they are due.... Four albums and a mini album to their credit, and LC's line-up is more-or-less the same as it was over a decade ago, the band even survived Cristina and Andrea's relationship split... Ponder that one a while.... Clearly no "divas" or big egos in that band....

Clearly no "divas" or big egos in that band....

She is rocks answer to Mariah Carey! :o :P

She is rocks answer to Mariah Carey! :o :P

 

Trust Kelly to get Mariah in there somewhere.... :lol: :P

 

Nah, I dont find Amy anywhere near as exruciating to listen to as Mariah.... :lol: :lol:

 

But, in terms of general behaviour, yeah, there is deffo a bit of "Diva" about what Amy is getting up to...

 

Oh my, found some things out about this!

 

Turns out Amy got word from her record label that an email was sent to Ben Moody by John saying he wasn't happy in the band with certain decisions that were made. This left Amy feeling really gutted as he/Rocky didn't bring the issues up with her and went behind her back. So she saved John the trouble of quitting by firing him first.

 

He got what he deserved in my mind! One of Amy's friends was on Evthreads saying she can't wait to watch Machina flop and truth be known neither can I!

 

This was also posted by David Hodges -

 

"things are never perfect; we all have learned a lot in the last many years. and while i haven't been around for all of it, i know everyone involved along the way enough to know that you should not be pointing your blame at amy. that's ridiculous. she is a beautiful person and an innovative artist. you can choose to disagree with me if you want, but you're probably ill-informed"

 

 

He got what he deserved in my mind! One of Amy's friends was on Evthreads saying she can't wait to watch Machina flop and truth be known neither can I

 

If you mean CloudTen, that wasn't a friend of Amy's. They claimed the weddig ceremony was at 5.30, when it was in fact at 1, and they said Amy was marrying Oliver Goodwill who was in the CMWYS video.

 

The e-mail business was made up by them too, and were banned.

Edited May 13, 200718 yr by EvMark

Oh no I'm sure it was someone else that said it (I think I would have realised there were spinning us a story if it was whoever you're talking about), there are allsorts of imposters on EvThreads. There were on EvBoard too and it often got quite hilarious!

Edited May 13, 200718 yr by NatalieMT

Oh my, found some things out about this!

 

Turns out Amy got word from her record label that an email was sent to Ben Moody by John saying he wasn't happy in the band with certain decisions that were made. This left Amy feeling really gutted as he/Rocky didn't bring the issues up with her and went behind her back. So she saved John the trouble of quitting by firing him first.

 

He got what he deserved in my mind! One of Amy's friends was on Evthreads saying she can't wait to watch Machina flop and truth be known neither can I!

 

This was also posted by David Hodges -

 

"things are never perfect; we all have learned a lot in the last many years. and while i haven't been around for all of it, i know everyone involved along the way enough to know that you should not be pointing your blame at amy. that's ridiculous. she is a beautiful person and an innovative artist. you can choose to disagree with me if you want, but you're probably ill-informed"

 

Yeah cos I'm really gonna believe what is said on some Amy Lee love-in board or record company propaganda..... Some independent verification of these "facts" please.....

 

And frankly I think your attitude towards Machina is a bit lame, you aint basing it on the actual music.....

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again - you can probably say one person is wrong, but not three, not when they're pretty much ALL saying the same thing.... She's turning into a female Axl....

None of the Evanescence forums are Amy Lee "love-in" boards as you did so put it. Infact I think you'll find a lot of fans on there are quite quick to judge Amy when things happen and many were angry at her for what has supposedly gone on. As many of you were here too.

 

I think all you need though is this quote by David Hodges, as I posted earlier.

 

http://tyboard.com/viewtopic.php?p=21659#21659

 

"things are never perfect; we all have learned a lot in the last many years. and while i haven't been around for all of it, i know everyone involved along the way enough to know that you should not be pointing your blame at amy. that's ridiculous. she is a beautiful person and an innovative artist. you can choose to disagree with me if you want, but you're probably ill-informed"

 

We are all very ill informed, so I don't think it's totally necessary to deem Amy as the 'crazy' one and go on a spree hoping to rip her apart and tell her she can't act how she supposedly has. Sometimes people are too opinionated for their own good, including myself.

 

None of the Evanescence forums are Amy Lee "love-in" boards as you did so put it. Infact I think you'll find a lot of fans on there are quite quick to judge Amy when things happen and many were angry at her for what has supposedly gone on. As many of you were here too.

 

I think all you need though is this quote by David Hodges, as I posted earlier.

 

http://tyboard.com/viewtopic.php?p=21659#21659

 

"things are never perfect; we all have learned a lot in the last many years. and while i haven't been around for all of it, i know everyone involved along the way enough to know that you should not be pointing your blame at amy. that's ridiculous. she is a beautiful person and an innovative artist. you can choose to disagree with me if you want, but you're probably ill-informed"

 

We are all very ill informed, so I don't think it's totally necessary to deem Amy as the 'crazy' one and go on a spree hoping to rip her apart and tell her she can't act how she supposedly has. Sometimes people are too opinionated for their own good, including myself.

 

Well, the questions have to be asked why there is so much of this BS going on in the band, I dont believe for a minute that Amy is as blameless as Hodges makes out... I do think it;s a fundamental lack of respect really... Look at U2, four guys who've been this tight little group of friends since the late 70s, how have they managed to keep going...? I'm damn sure that there have been disagreements along the way, things and decisions made that one or other member hasn't been happy about, but I think here what you have is the fact that these guys do respect one another utterly, I dont get the impression that Amy respects anyone else in her band, that they are just 'interchangeable'.. Wrong attitude for a band dynamic.. If she wants to do a "Kelly Clarkson" and go solo with a bunch of session musos backing her, than fine, but dont ever call yourself a 'band' because a 'band' is all about members actually respecting one another and not kicking people out just cos they aint happy about one or two things...

 

Evanescence are NOT a band, they are Amy Lee and a bunch of interchangeable session musos.... If that;s what you want then fine, but I dont see the point in even pretending to be a band when it's clear that you want to be a solo act and be in control everything....

Trust Kelly to get Mariah in there somewhere.... :lol: :P

Well I thought it was relevant. :P