don't take Wikipedia as gospel, Vic... ANYONE can update and alter the statements on there, remember.

 

And Maggie not a murderer? Err... STARVING people to get them back to work, FREEZING pensioners in their own houses, OUTLAWING homosexuals (I've already quoted you the gay suicide rates after her Section 28).... she's a f***ing MASS murderer, Vega - and you have blood on your hands for helping the nasty spiteful cow on her way.

 

You mention the Falklands as if it was a war we should've entered - IT WASN'T!!!! It was a war we fought SOLELY because Thatcher would have LOST the forthcoming general election by a landslide.... we fought and of course, against the Argies, we won - and Britain likes nothing better than a good war and a strong leader which, for al her faults, she was - much akin to Hitler, actually.

 

another spot on post... 100% agree.

It was British territory, they were British citizens so they were entitled to the same defence as if they lived in London or anywhere else on the British mainland, just because it was not a well known place does not make their lives any less valuable than British citizens living in Britain. Just because they live far away does not mean that they should be shat upon by their sovereign country, diplomacy failed so we had to recover our soil again and Port Stanley is an much British soil as Portsmouth is, yes the timing of it helped with regards election but no one forced Galtieri to go try steal our soil and put our citizens in danger

 

so if the argies collonated the channel islands it would belong to them?.... lol... or skoma, no one lives there do they... or rockall...

Tony Blair has been a total disaster for this country and for the Labour Party in general, what happened at the polls last week is the final nail in his coffin, the final damning indictement of the lies, the spin, the broken promises, the betrayal of the ordinary working class people in this country... If the Labour Party does not heed the unbelievable sucker punching it got in Scotland (Scotland effectively telling Nu Labour in no uncertain terms to "Fukk off!!", a disaster when you consider that Scotland has continually supported Labour for over 50 years...), Wales and the South of England last week and radically reform the party, then they are heading for a total humiliation in the next General election... The Blair years has seen a decline in Labour Party membership to the tune of something like over 150,000, absolutely unprecedented....

 

For my mind, it's total semantics as to who is worse - Thatcher or Blair, both were liars, both were mass murdering war criminals, both presided over parties so unbelievably tainted with sleaze and corruption, both emphatically failed the people of this country... It's a bit like arguing over who's a worse serial killer - Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy....

 

Yes, Tony Blair managed to do one or two good things, but I'm sorry, these good things are completely negated by the sleaze, the corruption, the 'cash for honours' scandal, the illegal war in Iraq, the death of David Kelly, the erosion of civil liberties......

 

Good riddance B-Liar, your closing speech was absolutely toe-curling and when you went on about Britain being the "greatest country in the world", well that just made me fukkin' angry.... Angry because we actually could be without w*n**rs like you, Major and Thatcher and all the other pigs with their snouts in the trough fukkin' things up, arse-licking to the fukkin' fascists in Washington and making people be embarrassed or downright ashamed to be British.... <_< <_<

 

And yes, I am ashamed to be British, and it's because of Politicians like Blair.... <_< <_<

 

 

scott... youd NEVER be happy m8 :).... blair HASNT been a 'disaster' for this country at all , thats bollox. he might have fallen short in many areas but we as individuals and as a country are far better off then we were ten years ago. ' spin' is part of the business now, itll be there no matter whos in charge.

 

im pretty satisfied with the blair administration, iraq being the only area that im not pleased with, but on finances, education and even the nhs theyve done pretty good.

 

of COURSE they got a drumming in the mid term polls... every government does! however it wasnt as bad as they expected! lol..

so if the argies collonated the channel islands it would belong to them?.... lol... or skoma, no one lives there do they... or rockall...

 

The Falklands was discovered by a BRITON about 300 years ago, it was originally British territory from the point that it was discovered so I fail to see why it should be considered Argentine when it was not discovered by an Argie, perhaps you can enlighten me. Spain invaded the Falklands and then gave it to Argentina then we reclaimed it. Under what you are claiming maybe we should be taken over by the French as William The Conquerer once invaded Britain and took control ?

 

The Falkland Islanders themselves voted for British control, they consider themselves to be British they do not want Argentinian control.

 

I maintain that the Falklands is as much part of Britain than the UK is

Edited May 11, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

scott... youd NEVER be happy m8 :).... blair HASNT been a 'disaster' for this country at all , thats bollox. he might have fallen short in many areas but we as individuals and as a country are far better off then we were ten years ago. ' spin' is part of the business now, itll be there no matter whos in charge.

 

im pretty satisfied with the blair administration, iraq being the only area that im not pleased with, but on finances, education and even the nhs theyve done pretty good.

 

of COURSE they got a drumming in the mid term polls... every government does! however it wasnt as bad as they expected! lol..

 

You're easily pleased Rob... The people of this country should not have to put up with second best, end of story. We put up with 18 years of disastrous Tory rule, we demanded a real Labour Govt to sort things out, what we got was a bunch of spin-merchants and sell-outs, even Robin Cook got fed up. They had a huge majority and a very real mandate to effect genuinely radical changes, instead what we got were half-measures and the things we elected them to sort out (education, NHS, etc...) are still areas which are in crisis, even the ban on Foxhunting which you guys keep trumpeting is a bit of a cop-out, people are finding ways round it pretty easily... We deserve better than than a facscimile "Labour" Govt and if John Smith hadn't died then I reckon things would've been a lot different....

 

You can't just write-off what happened last week mate, it was a disaster, especially in Scotland.... The Scots have always supported Labour for the most part, you seem to forget that in the '97 election Scotland wiped the Tories off the Political map North of the Border, the Tories ended up having NOT A SINGLE SCOTTISH MP in Westminster.... Everything went to Labour.... All that goodwill and support squandered by B-Liar.... <_<

The Falklands was discovered by a BRITON about 300 years ago, it was originally British territory from the point that it was discovered so I fail to see why it should be considered Argentine when it was not discovered by an Argie, perhaps you can enlighten me. Spain invaded the Falklands and then gave it to Argentina then we reclaimed it. Under what you are claiming maybe we should be taken over by the French as William The Conquerer once invaded Britain and took control ?

 

The Falkland Islanders themselves voted for British control, they consider themselves to be British they do not want Argentinian control.

 

I maintain that the Falklands is as much part of Britain than the UK is

 

If the Falklanders want to be "British" so much, then why the fukk are they living on a rock just a few hundred miles off the coast of South America then....? They could always come home, and actually be British and actually take part in the system instead of exiling themselves thousands of miles away from the country they supposedly "love" so much.... The Argies gave the Islanders the option to 'go home', why not just take it...?

 

I dont see it as a reason to fight a war.... And it was done for entirely cynical reasons - to get Maggie a second term....

 

America was a British territory at one point as well, until we got booted out by George Washington and Paul Revere....

If the Falklanders want to be "British" so much, then why the fukk are they living on a rock just a few hundred miles off the coast of South America then....? They could always come home, and actually be British and actually take part in the system instead of exiling themselves thousands of miles away from the country they supposedly "love" so much.... The Argies gave the Islanders the option to 'go home', why not just take it...?

 

I dont see it as a reason to fight a war.... And it was done for entirely cynical reasons - to get Maggie a second term....

 

America was a British territory at one point as well, until we got booted out by George Washington and Paul Revere....

 

The indigenous Falkland islanders were originally Scottish settlers so given your heritage you of all people should be defending them and their rights

 

There would have been no war but for Galtieri but wars do not automatically lead to big public support as we have witnessed with Iraq so any boost was minimal really IMHO mate

so any boost was minimal really IMHO mate

 

What absolute rubbish... You clearly dont remember the "Scum" headlines do you...? "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Gotcha" at the warcrime of the sinking of the Belgrano... What feelings do you think those were supposed to ellicit...?

 

What absolute rubbish... You clearly dont remember the "Scum" headlines do you...? "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Gotcha" at the warcrime of the sinking of the Belgrano... What feelings do you think those were supposed to ellicit...?

 

I also remember the "Up Yours Delors" headline too where they urged Sun readers to congregate on the white cliffs of Dover and give France a V sign in protest of Delors but very few bothered turning up so I think you are over playing the influence of The Sun

I also remember the "Up Yours Delors" headline too where they urged Sun readers to congregate on the white cliffs of Dover and give France a V sign in protest of Delors but very few bothered turning up so I think you are over playing the influence of The Sun

 

Errm, slightly different, as I recall we weren't actually at war with France at the time.... :P and the whole suggestion was something just so completely silly and pointless...

like it or not (and I don't) - The Sun is by far the most politically influential newspaper in Britain....

like it or not (and I don't) - The Sun is by far the most politically influential newspaper in Britain....

 

hmmm do people really read an editorial on election day and vote just because the editor tells them to vote that particular way ? surely only someone with a single digit IQ would be so influenced by a newspaper editor

hmmm do people really read an editorial on election day and vote just because the editor tells them to vote that particular way ? surely only someone with a single digit IQ would be so influenced by a newspaper editor

 

unfortunately - yes they do.

 

The Sun has a colossal circulation, among them the 'white van men', the working classes... the people who decide the future for Britain.

 

When The Sun wholeheartedly backs someone, as they did with Thatcher and Mr Blair - they're almost certain to win.

 

It's not something I'm particularly fond of - but it's the way it is unfortunately.

hmmm do people really read an editorial on election day and vote just because the editor tells them to vote that particular way ? surely only someone with a single digit IQ would be so influenced by a newspaper editor

Sadly I believe they do. Same with watching poor biased Tv, you've think people would see through it, but no. It's in the media it must be true. :cry:

The Falklands was discovered by a BRITON about 300 years ago,

 

utter nonsense! the south americans knew of the malvinas long before 'we' discovered it! but as their mainland was a much better place to settle with large tracks of fertile land available they just didnt settle the islands... abit like us not perminantly settling rockall, skoma etc. theres no way you can geographically call the malvinas 'ours', we stole them . there are no 'indigenous' islanders, they are british descendants we put there.

You're easily pleased Rob... The people of this country should not have to put up with second best, end of story. We put up with 18 years of disastrous Tory rule, we demanded a real Labour Govt to sort things out, what we got was a bunch of spin-merchants and sell-outs, even Robin Cook got fed up. They had a huge majority and a very real mandate to effect genuinely radical changes, instead what we got were half-measures and the things we elected them to sort out (education, NHS, etc...) are still areas which are in crisis, even the ban on Foxhunting which you guys keep trumpeting is a bit of a cop-out, people are finding ways round it pretty easily... We deserve better than than a facscimile "Labour" Govt and if John Smith hadn't died then I reckon things would've been a lot different....

 

You can't just write-off what happened last week mate, it was a disaster, especially in Scotland.... The Scots have always supported Labour for the most part, you seem to forget that in the '97 election Scotland wiped the Tories off the Political map North of the Border, the Tories ended up having NOT A SINGLE SCOTTISH MP in Westminster.... Everything went to Labour.... All that goodwill and support squandered by B-Liar.... <_<

 

 

its no so much a case of being 'easily pleased' m8, ive been voting for 16 years longer then you and ive seen too many election promises unfulfilled over the term of office, therefore i never did expect too much from blair. it would be foolish to believe that any government would deliver 100% of what their manifesto says, it will never happen.

 

i agree we deserve better, but realistically it will never happen, second best is all we will get as there are too many groups of people who need to be pleased. i thgink they did the best they could banning foxhunting as they did, it was always going to be a very contencious issue with a huge support for it. that could have brought the government down, but it was handled as good as it could have been and the ban is now in place :)

 

tbh m8, i dont think any government will satisfy you, you 'out grumpy' me !!!! lol.

its no so much a case of being 'easily pleased' m8, ive been voting for 16 years longer then you and ive seen too many election promises unfulfilled over the term of office, therefore i never did expect too much from blair. it would be foolish to believe that any government would deliver 100% of what their manifesto says, it will never happen.

 

i agree we deserve better, but realistically it will never happen, second best is all we will get as there are too many groups of people who need to be pleased. i thgink they did the best they could banning foxhunting as they did, it was always going to be a very contencious issue with a huge support for it. that could have brought the government down, but it was handled as good as it could have been and the ban is now in place :)

 

tbh m8, i dont think any government will satisfy you, you 'out grumpy' me !!!! lol.

 

It aint good enough though mate.. And considering that Blair just did more-or-less everything that thatcher did (unforgivable from a so-called "Labour" Man), then it just makes it even worse... Tony Blair wants to be remembered, well he certainly will be, he'll be remembered as the man who murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis for no good reason and was responsible for Iraq descending into a sectarian civil war.... That's his "Legacy".... I seriously want him locked up for War Crimes....

I don't think any one of the three main parties would have done anything any differently regarding Iraq, though, Scott, regardless of what they say.

I don't think any one of the three main parties would have done anything any differently regarding Iraq, though, Scott, regardless of what they say.

 

Well, considering the Lib Dems actually voted against the war (Charles Kennedy being the only one of the then three leaders to actually have the guts to take the risk....) I reckon you're kinda wrong on that one mate.... Kennedy may have given a bit of public support to Bush just for the sake of maintaining good relations, but he would NOT have sent UK troops to Iraq, in much the same way that Harold Wilson did in the 60s with Vietnam...

good riddance, i just can't believe what i saw happening with the Iraq situation, it was all about doing what the Bush administration wanted to do, he didn't care about us and this country he made us look weak, making us look to the rest of the world like the UK was another state of USA, he would have gone into more wars if Bush wanted to invade north korea and iran you know we would be there too. its outrageous the way he acted and lied to us over Iraq....tony blair is a poodle no question and a coward he should have stood up to Bush