United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

The work in developing a Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoplesstarted in conjunction with the establishment of the UN Working Group on Indigenous Populations in 1982.

 

After 24 years of intensive work, the Draft Declaration was adopted by the newly established United Nations Human Rights Council in June 29th 2006. The Declaration is now in the hands of the UN General Assembly for adoption before the end of 2006.

 

Article 8

1. Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subjected to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.

 

2. States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of, and redress for:

 

(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;

 

(B) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;

 

© Any form of forced population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;

 

(d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;

 

(e) Any form of propaganda designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed against them.

 

Article 9

Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right to belong to an indigenous community or nation, in accordance with the traditions and customs of the community or nation concerned. No discrimination of any kind may arise from the exercise of such a right.

 

Article 10

Indigenous peoples shall not be forcibly removed from their lands or territories. No relocation shall take place without the free, prior and informed consent of the indigenous peoples concerned and after agreement on just and fair compensation and, where possible, with the option of return.

 

Article 11

1. Indigenous peoples have the right to practice and revitalize their cultural traditions and customs.

This includes the right to maintain, protect and develop the past, present and future manifestations of their cultures, such as archaeological and historical sites, artefacts, designs, ceremonies, technologies and visual and performing arts and literature.

 

2. States shall provide redress through effective mechanisms, which mayinclude restitution, developed in conjunction with indigenous peoples, with respect to

their cultural, intellectual, religious and spiritual property taken without their free, prior and informed consent or in violation of their laws, traditions and customs.

 

 

 

i guess this doesnt apply to the uk!...lol.. we the indigenous people have to welcome in anyone who wants to settle here, our traditional religion can be riddiculed but we cant upset others belief system. our way of life has to adopt to accomodate theirs.. homeless young eastern eupopeans are queue jumping the system and are getting housing before our own people... oh and we are paying for it!

 

at the school where i work, the eastern european kids are allowed to get away with anything... not wearing uniform, wearing jewelry, mobile phones, no wonder theres building resentment. the pc brigade are responsable for this...

Yes, quite interesting.

 

Fascinating article Rob but I see very very little that applies to us

 

I am not aware of indigenous Britons (if there is such a thing) being forced from their land and territories, having their land seized, christmas and other festivals cancelled, being forced to celebrate ramadan, traditional british cultures being taken away and so on, sorry mate but you sound like a Daily Mail journo here.

 

And if you were to do a family tree like with everyone else in this country you are likely to find you have Norwegian blood, Danish blood, German blood, French blood and so on as this country has been invaded god knows how many times in history and taken over, a true Englishman simply doesn't exist

Fascinating article Rob but I see very very little that applies to us

 

I am not aware of indigenous Britons (if there is such a thing) being forced from their land and territories, having their land seized, christmas and other festivals cancelled, being forced to celebrate ramadan, traditional british cultures being taken away and so on, sorry mate but you sound like a Daily Mail journo here.

 

And if you were to do a family tree like with everyone else in this country you are likely to find you have Norwegian blood, Danish blood, German blood, French blood and so on as this country has been invaded god knows how many times in history and taken over, a true Englishman simply doesn't exist

 

The FULL TRUTH....

 

Fascinating article Rob but I see very very little that applies to us

 

I am not aware of indigenous Britons (if there is such a thing) being forced from their land and territories, having their land seized, christmas and other festivals cancelled, being forced to celebrate ramadan, traditional british cultures being taken away and so on, sorry mate but you sound like a Daily Mail journo here.

 

And if you were to do a family tree like with everyone else in this country you are likely to find you have Norwegian blood, Danish blood, German blood, French blood and so on as this country has been invaded god knows how many times in history and taken over, a true Englishman simply doesn't exist

 

 

seeing as its over a thousand years since these islands were conquered, i think its quite in oreder to call 'us' indiginous!

 

the point is that whilst we are not being 'invaded' by force, the population of this tiny isle is being swollen by mass immigration that will have an effect on our traditional culture, and yes it does exist outside of london!

 

immigrants ARE coming here and are living off hand outs that quite frankly they are not (or shouldnt) be entitled too.

 

we can call christianity and catholicism, ridiculing it and criticising it but we darent do the same to islam or even judeaism!

 

the eastern european kids at sinfin community school get away things that the english (white, black and asian) cant... they are given special dispensation. this stupid pc notion is causing discrimination and resentment.

 

there ARE areas in london... islington, where crimbo decorations were taken down due to complaints against them from muslims..

 

this un charter is all well and good, and hopefully will prevent real indiginous nations being changed... but there is a real concern amongst average englishmen that our culture is being erroded, and we do resent being mugs to people who come here out of free will.

 

personally im not bothered either way about immigration as long as people who chose to come here abide by our laws.. the australian pm had the right idea refering to immigrant muslims and the sharia laws " if you want to come here and want to live by those rules, then maybe australia ISNT the place for you".

The FULL TRUTH....

 

 

poor reply!

poor reply!

 

Well, Craig pretty much said it in a nutshell mate, no need to add to it really...

 

But if you really want me to....

 

You cannot compare what is happening in UK now with what WE did in India, Arabia, the US and about half of Africa, AT ALL (which is kinda what the spirit of the UN Declaration actually is - Anti-Imperialism).... I'm not aware of my whole existence being 'taken over' by immigrants, I'm not aware of the entire ruling system being replaced by an immigrant force, I am not aware of anyone being forced off their land by immigrants so they can dig for oil or gold or diamonds.... In short mate, you are talking rubbish... I think you'll find that the mainly white, middle-class do-gooder t**** from Islington Council made that particular decision, it had damn all to do with any Muslims because at the end of the day, immigrants and Muslims have no effective power to change anything, they are barely represented in Parliament or even at a Local Govt level, the Jewish community has far more influence than Muslims or EE immigrants do...

 

As for that t*** in Australia, fukk him and the prison boat his criminal ancestors sailed in on...Who the hell says that Australia should even BE a white, Christian country anyway...??? Why, because WE dumped all our criminals on it a couple of hundred years back, and WE massacred hundreds of thousands of Aborigines..... Australia is a country founded on immigration, why can't Muslims go there and set up their own ways....? We bloody well did, we forced ourselves upon the REAL indigenous Australians, so now the likes of the Aussie PM are sh!t scared that another lot are gonna come in and "take over"... How ironic, and poetic..... :lol:

lol.. i think you missed what i was suggesting scott... :) my reply to craig said it all really.

As for that t*** in Australia, fukk him and the prison boat his criminal ancestors sailed in on...Who the hell says that Australia should even BE a white, Christian country anyway...??? Why, because WE dumped all our criminals on it a couple of hundred years back, and WE massacred hundreds of thousands of Aborigines..... Australia is a country founded on immigration, why can't Muslims go there and set up their own ways....? We bloody well did, we forced ourselves upon the REAL indigenous Australians, so now the likes of the Aussie PM are sh!t scared that another lot are gonna come in and "take over"... How ironic, and poetic..... :lol:

 

well im not a fan of his at all, but in this case he is spot on. ANY person wanting to relocate in another country should be expected to follow the laws of that country... or not bother coming. there is no simularity between todays world and the empire days of george and victoria... that was dodgy at best, wrong by most peoples judgement (but in saying that, we are judging it by todays standards, we have moved on a long way since then but maybe by victorian standards it was a perfectly legal act).

well im not a fan of his at all, but in this case he is spot on. ANY person wanting to relocate in another country should be expected to follow the laws of that country...

 

...Which means the white Australians should be following the tribal laws, customs and religions of the Aborigines then, yeah...? Not some b/astardised version of UK law and religious belief... And the US should be following the laws of the Native Americans - the Navajo, the Sioux, the Cherokee..... All things being fair and equal.... White Australians and white Amercians are NOT the indigenous peoples of those countries, yet they are the ones who find themselves in charge merely through aggressive, war-like power-grabbing... So, for them to turn around an object when someone else wants a piece of the pie and will resort to the SAME sorts of aggression is a mite hypocritical in my book.... Now the white Americans and Australians know how the Africans, Aborigines and Indians felt... Hell mend them....

 

thats a daft argument scott as like ive already said.... theres absolutely no comparisson between colonial times and now! we have moved on, whites may not be the indiginous people of australia but rightly or not they are now the people in charge, you cant undo 200 years of history, its done, over with.

 

do you really believe that anyone can come here and live by whatever laws they chose?.... lol...

thats a daft argument scott as like ive already said.... theres absolutely no comparisson between colonial times and now! we have moved on, whites may not be the indiginous people of australia but rightly or not they are now the people in charge, you cant undo 200 years of history, its done, over with.

 

do you really believe that anyone can come here and live by whatever laws they chose?.... lol...

 

No, because unlike Austrailia and the US, we are not an artificial nation construct... This country has thousands of years of history that Oz and the US simply hasn't... These are countries built up on immigration, so if one bunch of immigrants wants to follow their own set of rules in US or Oz, then I think they should be allowed to, because these nations are constructs like I say, they wouldn't even exist as nation States without the outside European influences.. So, there is really no reason why another national influence cannot take root in these States as far as I'm concerned... And geographically, Australia and New Zealand are closer to Japan and SE Asia than Europe anyway.... On another thread you basically said that The Falklands should "belong" to Argentina due to its geographical location which puts it close to Argentina/South America.... I see no reason why a Japanese/Asian influence cannot be allowed to flourish in Australia....

 

And I totally disagree with you that things have "moved on"... We've seen examples of US Imperialism/Colonialism in Afghanistan and Iraq... And before this in Grenada, Vietnam and Panama... And I would argue Puerto Rico as well. It wears a different disguise now, and is a lot more subtle, but it is Imperialism nontheless.... The major difference being that it is Multinationa Corporations that are directing it, with Presidents and Prime Ministers being mere puppets....

 

I live/exist in Islington and I've heard nothing/seen nothing about Christmas decorations being removed. Islington doesn't even have a large Muslim community :lol:

I live/exist in Islington and I've heard nothing/seen nothing about Christmas decorations being removed. Islington doesn't even have a large Muslim community :lol:

 

my daughter was living there two years ago and thats what happend at crimbo, and sure enough when i went down to collect her at crimbo there were no lights up.

No, because unlike Austrailia and the US, we are not an artificial nation construct... This country has thousands of years of history that Oz and the US simply hasn't... These are countries built up on immigration, so if one bunch of immigrants wants to follow their own set of rules in US or Oz, then I think they should be allowed to, because these nations are constructs like I say, they wouldn't even exist as nation States without the outside European influences.. So, there is really no reason why another national influence cannot take root in these States as far as I'm concerned... And geographically, Australia and New Zealand are closer to Japan and SE Asia than Europe anyway.... On another thread you basically said that The Falklands should "belong" to Argentina due to its geographical location which puts it close to Argentina/South America.... I see no reason why a Japanese/Asian influence cannot be allowed to flourish in Australia....

 

And I totally disagree with you that things have "moved on"... We've seen examples of US Imperialism/Colonialism in Afghanistan and Iraq... And before this in Grenada, Vietnam and Panama... And I would argue Puerto Rico as well. It wears a different disguise now, and is a lot more subtle, but it is Imperialism nontheless.... The major difference being that it is Multinationa Corporations that are directing it, with Presidents and Prime Ministers being mere puppets....

 

 

oz n america might be built on immigration, and they are much younger nations then us... but there is now an established system of government and its up to them and the populace to determine their laws.

 

i had us in mind though, whoever wants to come here should abide by the laws of this country. when in rome....

 

i take your point about colonialism though..

oz n america might be built on immigration, and they are much younger nations then us... but there is now an established system of government and its up to them and the populace to determine their laws.

 

With regards to the US in particular, I often wonder just how it was that White people managed to gain control and determine the laws of that nation anyway, look at the amount of people of Hispanic/African/Chinese descent there... In many US cities, Spanish is as widely spoken as English, and yet the Hispanic community has very little representation at a Senate or Congress level in relation to its size... This is a gross distortion IMO....

 

I'm with the Aussie on this one.... I'm finding Muslims thronging in large communities (ghettoes?) more and more oppressive with their jaw-dropping views on women's rights and homosexuality.

I'm with the Aussie on this one.... I'm finding Muslims thronging in large communities (ghettoes?) more and more oppressive with their jaw-dropping views on women's rights and homosexuality.

 

This post is crude stereotyping at best and downright racist at worst

 

It is a ridiculous assumption to assume every muslim reads the koran and shares every view of the koran

 

You lot are Christians are you honestly saying that everyone in this thread reads the bible every day and prays to god and believes everything in the bible ? bollocks mate

 

The koran may be homophobic but the idea that every muslim migrant is a fanatical koran reader is rubbish, I am jewish and don't live on kosher meat ! I eat bacon sandwiches and bloody love them but my parents being jewish I automatically was bought up as a jew but do I share every belief of the jewish faith ? like f*** I do so it is ridiculous to believe that every muslim migrant is a fanatic who hates homosexuals and loves sharia law and wants to stone women, I know many muslims and NOT ONE is any of those things.

 

Labelling everyone in a religion over the actions of a fanatical minority is wrong

Edited May 23, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

my daughter was living there two years ago and thats what happend at crimbo, and sure enough when i went down to collect her at crimbo there were no lights up.

N1 has the most amazing Christmas lights up every year :wacko:

 

And I reiterate; Islington has a tiny Muslim community!!

N1 has the most amazing Christmas lights up every year :wacko:

 

And I reiterate; Islington has a tiny Muslim community!!

 

Let's say for arguments sake that Rob is right and there are no christmas displays if that is the case it is NOT because of muslims complaining and demanding christmas celebrations be banned as Scott rightfully said it is WHITE middle class do-gooders who are making decisions because they THINK that muslims MIGHT be offended.

 

No one should blame the muslims blame the middle class white do-gooders the same people who ban words like manhole at councils because they think women MIGHT be offended by the term

Edited May 23, 200718 yr by Vic Vega