I'm with the Aussie on this one.... I'm finding Muslims thronging in large communities (ghettoes?) more and more oppressive with their jaw-dropping views on women's rights and homosexuality.

I live incredibly close to Brick Lane which [in the surrounding area included] has one of the biggest Muslim communities in the UK and I can't agree with a word of what you're saying. They most certainly don't live in ghettos. Sadly they do live in much poorer-quality housing which undoubtedly stems from the fact many of them are 2nd generation migrants who have yet to fully establish themselves here but they most certainly aren't oppressive. YES they take different views to us on many issues; both of you're aforementioned examples but that hasn't inflicted on me and my life in any way. You simply state flaws within a group of people to try and make a point that there is a problem with his country and migrants by taking cheap pot shots at them.

 

Let's not forget that racism and homophobia is still RIFE in part os this country. Back where I have family in the Welsh Valleys is a clear cut example of that but seeing as they're white and "proper" British citizens should their homophobia/racism/and even still sexism be made a point of?

Let's say for arguments sake that Rob is right and there are no christmas displays if that is the case it is NOT because of muslims complaining and demanding christmas celebrations be banned as Scott rightfully said it is WHITE middle class do-gooders who are making decisions because they THINK that muslims MIGHT be offended.

 

No one should blame the muslims blame the middle class white do-gooders the same people who ban words like manhole at councils because they think women MIGHT be offended by the term

It is sadly most likely going to be White Middle-Classers doing it I agree. Islington is alas full of them :(

 

But its still notable that 90% or more of all these cases where people blame Muslims for "attacking" "our" holidays by requesting Christmas decorations be removed are really nothing to do with Muslims and rather bureaucracy of the state but Daily Mailers still fail to see it.

the point is that muslims are an insular group, ok, gotta be expected, but they have strong unified views on religion... this fuels their belief in their chosen system of living.... fair enough.. but.. this will lead to trouble as this minority (but vocal) group try to change laws of the land. they may be 'no trouble', but their views on women and homosexuality are archaic. we have moved on from that... largely... i see this area as a scource of future conflict, and it is a problem for the indiginous population.. us whites.

 

whilst multiculturalism is ok on paper... it cant become the uk's population, we have to retain our identity.

N1 has the most amazing Christmas lights up every year :wacko:

 

And I reiterate; Islington has a tiny Muslim community!!

 

 

im telling you what i saw and what i was told.... 05 there was NO crimbo lights up in islington.

the point is that muslims are an insular group

 

All creeds and colours stick together mate its human nature

 

You go to Golders Green you will hardly see a non Jew you go to Brixton you will hardly see a white face you go to Southall you will hardly see a non asian you even go to Spain and you will see the expats stick together in their own little community so why is it bad when muslims do ?

 

And what exactly is a muslim how would you point one out in the street ? there are oriental muslims (malaysians for instance) there are black muslims (many jamaicans are muslims) there are many black african muslims (many of the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers were from Sudan) there are many white muslims, there are many Iraqi christians and Indian hindus who probably get attacked in this country by BNP supporters because they are assumed to be muslims

 

I don't know what muslims you know mate but I know probably hundreds in my lifetime from my days with Binatone and other people I have worked for, I have had many in depth discussions with them socially about life and everything and not even one has been obsessed with religion and not one ever expressed comfort with sharia law or abuse of women

 

EVERY religion has its fanatics, Bush is as bad for christianity as Bin Laden is for Islam

 

From your post it sounds like you want everyone with a non white face to be kicked out of this country :manson: the posts that you and Russ have come up with in the last 2 days would have Nick Griffin doing a dance of joy if he read them :rolleyes:

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the point is that muslims are an insular group, ok, gotta be expected, but they have strong unified views on religion... this fuels their belief in their chosen system of living.... fair enough.. but.. this will lead to trouble as this minority (but vocal) group try to change laws of the land. they may be 'no trouble', but their views on women and homosexuality are archaic. we have moved on from that... largely... i see this area as a scource of future conflict, and it is a problem for the indiginous population.. us whites.

 

whilst multiculturalism is ok on paper... it cant become the uk's population, we have to retain our identity.

 

Jesus, mate, have you been taken over by Nick Griffin or summat.....? I cannot believe that I am reading this from you... You make a hell of lot of incredibly lazy assumptions, for a start, you assume that no "indigenous" white Brit is in fact themselves a Muslim - WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! And just what is an "indigenous" Brit anyway...? I mean, as far as I'm concerned if you're bloody well born and bred here then you ARE British, regardless of race, colour, creed.... You talk about Muslims being "insular", well, frankly, I've never met a more insular group of people in this country than those who live in small towns and villages, and they all tend to be WHITE... A black or Asian face turns up there, and it quite literally is "You aint from round here, are you boy...?", and don't even try to be gay in places like that either, lest the village idiots turn up with burning torches and pitchforks.... :lol: And what are you gonna say about the folks in places like Chinatown who have been part of the British community for hundreds of years... Or, indeed, as Craig has quite rightly pointed out, the Jews in Golders Green...?

 

I think it's exactly statements like this that are contributing to whatever problems exist....

As for the whole "Christmas Decorations" thing, well, I dont think you have to be a devout muslim to have serious objections to the fact that the fukkin' things seem to get put up in shops and streets earlier and earlier every sodding year..... <_< I find it incredibly offensive personally, to have Christmas rammed down my throat in sodding OCTOBER before we've even had Halloween!!!!! But I suppose it's okay for me to object innit...? Being an indigenous white person and all.....

Jesus, mate, have you been taken over by Nick Griffin or summat.....? I cannot believe that I am reading this from you... You make a hell of lot of incredibly lazy assumptions, for a start, you assume that no "indigenous" white Brit is in fact themselves a Muslim - WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! And just what is an "indigenous" Brit anyway...? I mean, as far as I'm concerned if you're bloody well born and bred here then you ARE British, regardless of race, colour, creed.... You talk about Muslims being "insular", well, frankly, I've never met a more insular group of people in this country than those who live in small towns and villages, and they all tend to be WHITE... A black or Asian face turns up there, and it quite literally is "You aint from round here, are you boy...?", and don't even try to be gay in places like that either, lest the village idiots turn up with burning torches and pitchforks.... :lol: And what are you gonna say about the folks in places like Chinatown who have been part of the British community for hundreds of years... Or, indeed, as Craig has quite rightly pointed out, the Jews in Golders Green...?

 

I think it's exactly statements like this that are contributing to whatever problems exist....

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5 generations m8 before you are considered 'indiginous'.... its about having roots... tradition. this is whats at threat over the coming years. theres nowt wrong with being a traditional white englishman, though some treat it like a disease.... <_<

 

your view of the traditional english is rather odd.... they used to be suspicious of people from the next village let alone anyone whos not white! lol.

As for the whole "Christmas Decorations" thing, well, I dont think you have to be a devout muslim to have serious objections to the fact that the fukkin' things seem to get put up in shops and streets earlier and earlier every sodding year..... <_< I find it incredibly offensive personally, to have Christmas rammed down my throat in sodding OCTOBER before we've even had Halloween!!!!! But I suppose it's okay for me to object innit...? Being an indigenous white person and all.....

 

 

the lights were taken down after complaints from ethnic groups.... i hate crimbo too... but its OUR tradition wether i like it or not.

 

not many muslims in islington?.... christ theres hardly a white face there! all the food outlets are from all over the world... but theres no chippy! lol. maybe not all muslim, but they aint white christian either!

 

and scott... ive never known a scottsman from north of the boarder say anything nice about the english :).... so i wouldnt expect any sympathy for the 'traditional englishman' from you m8!

the lights were taken down after complaints from ethnic groups.... i hate crimbo too... but its OUR tradition wether i like it or not.

 

not many muslims in islington?.... christ theres hardly a white face there! all the food outlets are from all over the world... but theres no chippy! lol. maybe not all muslim, but they aint white christian either!

 

and scott... ive never known a scottsman from north of the boarder say anything nice about the english :).... so i wouldnt expect any sympathy for the 'traditional englishman' from you m8!

 

I'm sorry mate, but I just dont believe that for a minute.... It would be the first time EVER that a bunch of politicians actually listens to their constituents..... :lol: :lol: And, it doesn't alter the fact that it;s still the white, middle-class do-gooders actually making the decision, they could easily have just ignored these "complaints", if they even exist, which I frankly doubt....

 

And I happen to know for a fact that there is at least one chippie in the Essex Road.... :P

 

I don't mind the English, I just mind the bigoted, idiotic "Wave-The-George-Cross" types.... Mainly cos they're all too stupid to realise that St George was about as English as Goat Curry.... :lol: :lol:

 

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5 generations m8 before you are considered 'indiginous'.... its about having roots... tradition.

 

So, you're with that idiot on that Channel 4 documentary who says that people like Ian Wright, Kelley Holmes, Daley Thomson or Linford Christie aren't "English" enough then I take it....? <_< So, everything those guys achieved for this country counts for nowt, just because their folks are from the Caribbean.....?

 

Absolute garbage mate, and you fail to take into account kids born from Asian/British or Afro-Caribbean/British mixed parentage as well, where do they fit into your narrow definition of "Englishness"....? If you're born here, then obviously you have roots here as well as wherever your parents come from..... So, does that mean if me, a Scotsman and my Polish girlfriend decide to have kids in London, then they aint gonna be "British" enough for you merely by virtue of the fact that they would have some Polish DNA in them....? Nonsense, they would have TWO traditions, not just the one, it's the same for the kids of immigrants born and raised here....

 

Being "British" or "English" does NOT mean the same thing as it did a hundred years ago, or even 20 years ago, it's far more fluid now, look at the amount of "English" footballers who played for Republic of Ireland, and one white Englishman played for Trinidad and Tobago in the last world cup because of a distant relative coming from the Islands.... Get with the progamme mate.... And stop listening to fascistic turds like Nick fukkin' Griffin and the Nazi BNP fukkers.....

ARGH again, Islington isn't a mainly "minority" area :/

 

I walk up Upper St near every day and the VAST majority of people there are white. By the Green its the same! Its not until you're in Hackney and Stokey/Newington Green you meet the "minorities".

 

And guess what, they actually have some of the poorest quality housing I've ever encountered.

ARGH again, Islington isn't a mainly "minority" area :/

 

I walk up Upper St near every day and the VAST majority of people there are white. By the Green its the same! Its not until you're in Hackney and Stokey/Newington Green you meet the "minorities".

 

And guess what, they actually have some of the poorest quality housing I've ever encountered.

 

I used to live in Hackney, I can vouch for much of what you say...

 

But, the quality of housing in Hackney isn't ALL bad tbh.... There's just a lot of extremes going from the pretty lush to the downright awful..... Tower Hamlets and Mile End are way worse than Stokey or Central Hackney.......

I'm sorry mate, but I just dont believe that for a minute.... It would be the first time EVER that a bunch of politicians actually listens to their constituents..... :lol: :lol: And, it doesn't alter the fact that it;s still the white, middle-class do-gooders actually making the decision, they could easily have just ignored these "complaints", if they even exist, which I frankly doubt....

 

And I happen to know for a fact that there is at least one chippie in the Essex Road.... :P

 

I don't mind the English, I just mind the bigoted, idiotic "Wave-The-George-Cross" types.... Mainly cos they're all too stupid to realise that St George was about as English as Goat Curry.... :lol: :lol:

 

 

st george was a FICTIONAL character... so in that case you can tailor 'him' to be whatever you want to. i see nothing wrong with national pride and if people want to wave the george cross then let them! are you so quick to criticise the scots waving st andrews flag?.. another mythical character?...

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Being "British" or "English" does NOT mean the same thing as it did a hundred years ago, or even 20 years ago, it's far more fluid now, look at the amount of "English" footballers who played for Republic of Ireland, and one white Englishman played for Trinidad and Tobago in the last world cup because of a distant relative coming from the Islands.... Get with the progamme mate.... And stop listening to fascistic turds like Nick fukkin' Griffin and the Nazi BNP fukkers.....

 

 

but thats the very point!!!! we ARE losing our identity! our nation was built on generations of people farming, fighting, dying for the country we became and now our identity thats over a thousand years old is being altered at an alarming rate.

 

ive NEVER listend to griffin or the bnp, ive never read or heard one artical by them... i go on what i know, what i see.

ARGH again, Islington isn't a mainly "minority" area :/

 

I walk up Upper St near every day and the VAST majority of people there are white. By the Green its the same! Its not until you're in Hackney and Stokey/Newington Green you meet the "minorities".

 

And guess what, they actually have some of the poorest quality housing I've ever encountered.

 

 

the first time i crawled through islington i was surprised by the number of ethnic food outlets and the lack of 'johnny english'... maybe they all hid when i went there! lol..

st george was a FICTIONAL character...

 

...Based upon a factual person though mate, and that factual person was NOT an Englishmanm, NOT Anglo=Saxon.... It has been established that he was probably Palestinian or Turkish...... Mind you, a lot of your fellow countrymen do have Turkish, Arabic and Romany blood flowing through their veins, as that very Channel 4 documentary proved..... So, I suppose it IS appropriate for you lot to have a NON-English Patron then..... :P :lol:

but thats the very point!!!! we ARE losing our identity! our nation was built on generations of people farming, fighting, dying for the country we became and now our identity thats over a thousand years old is being altered at an alarming rate.

 

So what...? Is it really any different to what the Romans, Normans (from FRANCE) or the Saxons (from GERMANY) did to 'alter' the identity of the country...? I dont think so....

the first time i crawled through islington i was surprised by the number of ethnic food outlets and the lack of 'johnny english'... maybe they all hid when i went there! lol..

 

Dunno how it could've possibly surprised you tbh mate..... What did you expect in a Cosmopolitan district like ISLINGTON??? Greasy Spoons??? Jesus Christ, it's where all the hoi palloi and MEEEEDJAAAAAHH types like Johanathan sodding Ross live...... :lol: :lol:

 

Frankly, I dont have a problem with "ethnic" food outlets.... I dunno what yours is.... I detest much of British cuisine tbh, especially c**p like Haggis, tripe (well named if you ask me....), black pudding.... UGH :puke2: Sorry, but give me a decent Indian, Chinese or Thai any day.... And if you really wanna complain about the traditional British "caffs" disappearing mate, you would do well to direct your criticism to places like McDonalds, Starbucks, etc..... THAT'S the real reason why our traditional British "caff" culture is being destroyed, not because of Chinese or Indian restaurants, or Kebab shops....

but thats the very point!!!! we ARE losing our identity! our nation was built on generations of people farming, fighting, dying for the country

 

Erm, in case you hadn't noticed, people ARE still dying for this nation (and well, you cant exactly blame modern Factory Farming processes on ethnic minorities ffs.... :lol: ), aint you watching the news from Iraq.....? :huh: And a fair few doing the fighting and dying are ethnic minority soldiers.... My cousin served with two Asian lads whom he respected greatly.... And it made him incredibly angry to hear about reports of racist bullying... That's another thing actually while we're on the subject, how can ethnic minorities be criticised for not 'putting in' for their nation when it's a fact that when they DO join the armed forces and the police force to actually serve the community, they are subjected, in many cases, to the most vile prejudices and racism....? Why should a young BRITISH Asian or Black person subject themselves to it....?

 

Again, it OUR FAULT and we need to sort it instead of pussyfooting around and just paying lip-service....... <_< If you want Asian and Black folks to 'put in', they have to be respected as full equals. It may be enshrined in law, but 'on the ground' as it were, it is still very much an early 1970s attitude that is prevailing, it's just hidden now (well, not so much 'hidden' in certain areas of the media <_< ).... I work with a couple of Muslim lads, born and bred here, but they dont feel "British", why, because, as they put it "We're not accepted by your country even though we were born here"..... Fukkin' depressing if you ask me, and it's probably this general lack of acceptance (and it is a lack of acceptance, the Govt can say what the hell it likes....) that leads to many young Muslims over-asserting their Islamic or ethnic identity.....