May 29, 200718 yr Author [quote name='MUSHYMANROB' date='May 29 2007, 05:24 PM' post='1110157' again i dont believe that in this day and age the police will pick on ethnic minority groups at a disproportionate rate... its far more difficult nowdays for the police to be openly racist. Tell that to the parents of Stephen Lawrence mate... Or the families of at least a dozen black men who have all died "mysteriously" in police custody over the past 6 or 7 years.... Coroners courts find "wrongful death" verdicts and that there is a case to answer, no coppers get prosecuted by the CPS.... You cannot trust the system.....
May 30, 200718 yr whether we like it or not... the facts are there... almost ALL gun and knife crime in the UK is committed by blacks - against blacks ALL 'terror' suspects are Muslims much of the current street crime - car crime, muggings, rape.... committed by immigrants. Scott, as much as I'd love to believe the white Brits are to blame, and I'm not saying they're entirely blameless... the figures speak for themselves.
May 30, 200718 yr Author almost ALL gun and knife crime in the UK is committed by blacks - against blacks ALL 'terror' suspects are Muslims much of the current street crime - car crime, muggings, rape.... committed by immigrants. 1 and 3. Complete and utter c**p mate, take a trip to Glasgow, Paisley or Edinburgh sometime. Not many black people in any of these cities, but neighbourhoods such as Parkhead, Westerhailes and Partick are absolutely rife with street crime, violence, drug-crime and muggings, most of which is committed by the indigenous whites . You're taking a look at the ethnic neighbourhoods (much like the Police and the media do...) only and coming up with 2 and 2 equalling 5..... 2. Happen so, but look at the grievous errors that were made in the past when we assumed that Irish = Terrorist.... Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, The Maguires. Ring a bell does it...?
May 31, 200718 yr 1 and 3. Complete and utter c**p mate, take a trip to Glasgow, Paisley or Edinburgh sometime. Not many black people in any of these cities, but neighbourhoods such as Parkhead, Westerhailes and Partick are absolutely rife with street crime, violence, drug-crime and muggings, most of which is committed by the indigenous whites . You're taking a look at the ethnic neighbourhoods (much like the Police and the media do...) only and coming up with 2 and 2 equalling 5..... 2. Happen so, but look at the grievous errors that were made in the past when we assumed that Irish = Terrorist.... Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, The Maguires. Ring a bell does it...? you are still living in the past scott... its 2007 not 1977! you cant judge nineteen seventies standard by todays society... im with russ on this... MOST being the salient point... everytime theres a shooting in nottingham its ALWAYS a black person and its related to drugs. your example of glasgow isnt reprisentitive of the rest of the country. like it or not, ethnic groups DO commit crime and id suggest that % of the population wise that in inner cities crime is commited by a higher % then the national % of ethnics.
May 31, 200718 yr You are old enough to remember the race riots Rob of Brixton, Toxteth, Handsworth and so on, do you want to see them again ? they happened because of stop and search and racial discrimination by the police. The police force is very racist mate and cops going into black areas and starting to harrass people will lead to race riots, the black community and the police need to work together and cooperate together and heavy handed policing like stop and search will end in petrol bombs and blood
May 31, 200718 yr Author you are still living in the past scott... its 2007 not 1977! you cant judge nineteen seventies standard by todays society... im with russ on this... MOST being the salient point... everytime theres a shooting in nottingham its ALWAYS a black person and its related to drugs. your example of glasgow isnt reprisentitive of the rest of the country. like it or not, ethnic groups DO commit crime and id suggest that % of the population wise that in inner cities crime is commited by a higher % then the national % of ethnics. I can judge the way the police act by the way they acted in the past, because it is pretty obvious to me that their attitudes have NOT changed. I actually overheard a couple of station coppers refer to "Jungle Bunnies" the last time I was at Kings Cross... So DONT tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.... Giving Police powers such as this will lead to abuse of that power, simple as. Everyone with a black or Asian face, or anyone who "looks a bit out of the norm", with long hair or wearing "funny clothes" are gonna be fair game for those b/astards... The police already have powers to stop and search people if they have a "reasonable suspicion" that a crime has been committed or about to be committed, they DONT NEED any more powers, what they DO need to do is actually USE the powers they already DO have more effectively, when dealing with a cancer, a scalpel is a more effective tool than a sledgehammer mate... And again, you're talking about neighbourhoods with big ethnic population centres, distorting the point yet again... Like white people dont deal drugs or carry firearms or knives...? Bollocks.... Glasgow, Edinburgh, Paisley, Newcastle, Manchester, Blackpool, certain areas of Essex..... Do I really need to continue...? You look at the cases the media sensationalises which feature black suspects prominently... The media always seems to downplay the problems that exist in these other cities.... We're turning into America, we really are, where shows like "Cops" always concentrate on the crime committed by black Americans and NEVER on the crimes committed by white Americans... Michael Moore is absolutely spot on if you ask me....
May 31, 200718 yr blackpool?... m8 its the blacks in blackpool that deal the drugs, i know cos ive just been told so first hand! :P
May 31, 200718 yr Author blackpool?... m8 its the blacks in blackpool that deal the drugs, i know cos ive just been told so first hand! :P Well, I happen to know at least one white dealer from Blackie.... An old mate of mine who used to help me score good Es in the Rave days.... :P :P
June 1, 200718 yr scoring e's aint the same scene as heroine and crack coccaine though! they are the nasty ones that are primarily controled by black people..
June 1, 200718 yr scoring e's aint the same scene as heroine and crack coccaine though! they are the nasty ones that are primarily controled by black people.. Stopping and searching 100 blacks in the hope that 1 of them has crack cocaine on them is not the answer though, that leaves 99 pissed off blacks who have no faith in the police force and feel more and more isolated
June 1, 200718 yr Author scoring e's aint the same scene as heroine and crack coccaine though! they are the nasty ones that are primarily controled by black people.. And I suppose ordinary Cocaine isn't nasty....? :huh: I only said I scored Es off this bloke, I didn't say that was all he supplied..... I personally dont know a single black person who deals Coke, plenty of whites I know of, however, do..... Oh, but Coke's okay innit, all the Glamourous people like Kate Moss and Pete Doherty take that.... <_< <_< Oh, and now we have Crystal Meth coming in as well mate, which if anything is even nastier than Crack... Look at who controls and supplies that - in the US, mainly White trailer trash or biker gangs (Crystal Meth has been dubbed "The White Man's Crack" by US law enforcement agencies), the users over here, mainly white clubbers so far.... So, your point is a bit moot to be honest.... And rather racist as well, "Oh, the whites supply the nice, fluffy illegal drugs like E, LSD and weed and the blacks supply the nasty ones like Heroin and Crack" is basically your point, yeah.....? Absolute rubbish mate... Where do you think all the folks in Scottish, Welsh and Irish towns and cities with pretty much ZERO black people score Heroin from....? The tooth fairy...? Read your Irvine Welsh mate.... Wouldn't matter a jot if there were no black people or immigrants living in UK, we'd still have the same drugs problem, the same level of violence, white dealers are NOT somehow more 'civilised' than black ones, that is dangerous fallacy, the dealers I know/knew of are all tooled up with illegal firearms and are more than prepared to use them, it's just a fact of life... The "Madchester" drug turf wars in the early 90s were mainly being fought out between white dealers, people were shooting each other in the streets... No one was talking about a sweeping "Stop and Search" policy then, cos they knew it would be a mistake.... Well, it's still a mistake... And do you realise what Ecstacy can actually do to you....? I stopped taking it for a reason you know.... The only way to stop drug violence in my view is to completely legalise ALL drugs, take them out of the hands of the gangsters and for the State to regulate and control supply, and to hell with what the Tabloids think...
June 1, 200718 yr Author Stopping and searching 100 blacks in the hope that 1 of them has crack cocaine on them is not the answer though, that leaves 99 pissed off blacks who have no faith in the police force and feel more and more isolated Absolutely mate.... And it's mainly white people who are dealing Coke and Crystal Meth (Cocaine is in more common use than Crack these days, mainly as a "party" drug, FACT, and Crystal Meth is becoming more and more popular amongst Clubbers, FACT..), so let's see the Police stopping and searching the same amount of whites as blacks.... Aint gonna happen is it, cos the police are racist.... <_<
June 1, 200718 yr Aint gonna happen is it, cos the police are racist.... <_< Exactly, I have no doubt that the police are by and large racist and giving them extra powers will lead to it being abused by officers who have their own racial agenda Britain is 90% white if not more but I bet at least 90% of those that will be stopped will be black and asian Similar to your experience outside a railway station I have heard police officers openly talking about "coon's" before for instance, the police can't be trusted when it comes to race relations, too many bad apples Edited June 1, 200718 yr by Vic Vega
June 1, 200718 yr Author Exactly, I have no doubt that the police are by and large racist and giving them extra powers will lead to it being abused by officers who have their own racial agenda Britain is 90% white if not more but I bet at least 90% of those that will be stopped will be black and asian Similar to your experience outside a railway station I have heard police officers openly talking about "coon's" before for instance, the police can't be trusted when it comes to race relations, too many bad apples Actually, thats's a very salient point... Seeing as how ethnic minorities only make up 10% of the population, that means for every 10 ethnic minority people they stop, the police will have to stop 90 indigenous whites to balance the whole thing out and keep it in proportion.... THAT aint gonna happen is it....? :lol: :lol:
June 2, 200718 yr why shouldnt the police stop blacks if its in an area where its predominantly blacks causing trouble?... as i see it the police are p***ing about chasing people for throwing a tin of beans, or cutlery and other such trivia instead of tackling crimes that effect us all. im not bothered who is what colour, im all for the police doing their job and removing threats to law abiding citizens whoever the perpetrators are. again i stress that this is 2007, where the police have to tread very carefully unless they upset someone.. it AINT THE 70'S where racist police could pick on blacks, gays or whoever. and if they did? theyd never get away with it! nah... times have changed and if your police force is anything like mine the chances are that the officer will be black or asian!!!!! it aint a white force now!....
June 2, 200718 yr Author why shouldnt the police stop blacks if its in an area where its predominantly blacks causing trouble?... as i see it the police are p***ing about chasing people for throwing a tin of beans, or cutlery and other such trivia instead of tackling crimes that effect us all. im not bothered who is what colour, im all for the police doing their job and removing threats to law abiding citizens whoever the perpetrators are. again i stress that this is 2007, where the police have to tread very carefully unless they upset someone.. it AINT THE 70'S where racist police could pick on blacks, gays or whoever. and if they did? theyd never get away with it! nah... times have changed and if your police force is anything like mine the chances are that the officer will be black or asian!!!!! it aint a white force now!.... Well, we'll see what happens then yeah, we'll see if the coppers stop as many white chavs in Essex, Parkhead or Moss Side as they do blacks in Peckham or Brixton.... And if they dont, well I'll be right wont I....? And besides, you're totally missing the point again.... The Police actually already have the powers to stop and search people who cause problems in an area.. Every good copper who patrols an area regularly KNOWS the faces who cause the most sh!t, they know who the dealers are, resources should be being targeted against THOSE and THOSE ONLY.... Should we give them the right to stop every single person in the country when they abuse the powers they already do have...? They send literally truckloads of coppers to Parliament Square to confiscate the anti-war placards of Brian Haw and arrest groups of students having sit-down, "cup-of-tea" protests, and two vanloads of built-like-brick-$h!thouse rozzers were clearly required to pick up a small slip of a girl reading out the names of dead soldiers at the Cenotaph weren't they...? <_< Oh, and let's not forget the Pensioner who was detained under the Anti Terrorism Act merely for protesting at Jack Straw's pile of garbage spoutings at the Labour Party Conference.... Oh, and who can forget the murder of Jean Charles De Menezes.....? You give the State more powers, they take more liberties from us.... And in the case of Jean Charles, sometimes our very lives.... The enemy IS the State as far as I'm concerned....
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