however must say one thing about the artists from these shows. At least they are not trying to be something that they are not, like a Carole King or a James 'noteviljazzfunkman' Taylor or Jackson Browne, when they are just a pop act like a Darius or a Jessica Garlick and have been equalily manufactured. James 'notdeadyet' Morrison compared to Will Young i actually think "He Ain't No Competition" :

 

Please don't call Darius 'just a pop act' as I happen to consider him to be 'a damn good songwriter' and he performs any genre of music from opera to rock as well as being a damn good musician. He may have well been brought to the public attention in two talent competitions showcasing 'pop' but that was 6 years ago!! :D

 

Julie

 

it's sad that so many people here on Buzzjack do actually go for the, as thisispop states, 'McDonalds' of 'talent' show excrement to actual, real, living musicians.

 

To the people on this thread who have stated Cocker is only famous for flashing his ass (he was quite right, too - a twice-arrested highly suspected paedophile parading round a stage surrounded by VERY young boys imitating Jesus - hmmmph... it beggars belief, really, doesn't it?) at the grotesque abomination that is Wacko Jacko.... well, you're either mentally challenged, 11 years old or don't have ANY idea of the history of Jarvis and his importance in bringing intelligence back to the charts. The shame is, most of the sheep only remember Common People.... when Pulp first released a single in 1983. It's sad that people on this thread only mention the 'hits' - but it's an indication of how deep people here actually delve for wonderful music..... "whatever's in the charts... well it must be good"... I worked in a record shop for long enough to know that 90% of the British record buying public will buy ANYTHING that's TV advertised, whatever it is... or whatever the record companies 'fix' to be number one... must be good then - buy it.

 

I think the people all rushing to comment on this thread simply don't go to gigs, don't actively seek out music. Don't really know that much about music... apart from their scary, blind obsessions with Cowell's tedious latest find.

 

They're more than happy lazing on their arses on the sofa waiting for the latest braindead reality 'talent' show to TELL you who is talented and asks for your money for the honour of voting these crummy acts through.

 

I agree, there has been a credible winner - ONCE. Will Young. And... that's it. NONE of the others, not Darius, Gates, Leona whatever her name is, Shayne Ward, NONE of these will be remembered or revered 5 years from now - it's simply boring, bland, staid, pre-packaged, homogenised, spoon-fed bull$h!t. But the lazy sofa-dwellers.... as we seem to have here.... that's all they'll ever know, all they'll ever want, all they'll ever buy.

 

To once again quote thisispop - personally, I'd rather a delicious, expensive, well-cooked banquet to a damp, flaccid, taste-free McDonalds.

 

Reality show fans..... well, they wouldn't.

Edited June 8, 200718 yr by russt68

To the people on this thread who have stated Cocker is only famous for flashing his ass (he was quite right, too - a twice-arrested highly suspected paedophile parading round a stage surrounded by VERY young boys imitating Jesus - hmmmph... it beggars belief, really, doesn't it?) at the grotesque abomination that is Wacko Jacko.... well, you're either mentally challenged, 11 years old or don't have ANY idea of the history of Jarvis and his importance in bringing intelligence back to the charts. The shame is, most of the sheep only remember Common People.... when Pulp first released a single in 1983. It's sad that people on this thread only mention the 'hits' - but it's an indication of how deep people here actually delve for wonderful music..... "whatever's in the charts... well it must be good"... I worked in a record shop for long enough to know that 90% of the British record buying public will buy ANYTHING that's TV advertised, whatever it is... or whatever the record companies 'fix' to be number one... must be good then - buy it.

 

well i suppose to a lot of people there is nothing beyond the top 20 and so only will know the big big hits/bother with the big big hits. however you could say looking at all the novelty records that have gone up the chart in like 50 years of chart, that #1 doesnt automaticly = a good lifechanging record (well it cant as the hits wouldny haver their $h!t #1 arvos on a saturday :lol: ).

 

there might be stuff in the early Pulp recording that eclipses stuff like Common People but obv what was the trend at the time was not insync with Jarvis. I suppose its like when new bands get compared to old bands that nobody but 1 person might know (note: was thinking more of the kitchens of distinction/interpol/editors ref rather than any band who might be like the twang :lol: ;lol: )

 

 

 

it's sad that so many people here on Buzzjack do actually go for the, as thisispop states, 'McDonalds' of 'talent' show excrement to actual, real, living musicians.

 

I think the people all rushing to comment on this thread simply don't go to gigs, don't actively seek out music. Don't really know that much about music... apart from their scary, blind obsessions with Cowell's tedious latest find.

 

Too right man!!! and probs why the indie and metal area are so slow in comparison to the pop factory line. Think most people are more intersted in celebrity of the artist rather than actually being a fan of music and really really being passionate about music in general and rather finding out music (from whatever genre, from where ever in the world and from whatever decade in pop history) they are just happy to endlessly listen to the same records on the hits and commercial radio over and over again. ffs must get so freaking boring doing the same thing over and over again. Obv there is a wealth of stuff out there and you gotta be directed by obv by the shows and the press that matter, not Simon and heat magazine.

 

Too right man!!! and probs why the indie and metal area are so slow in comparison to the pop factory line.Think most people are more intersted in celebrity of the artist rather than actually being a fan of music and really really being passionate about music in general and rather finding out music (from whatever genre, from where ever in the world and from whatever decade in pop history) they are just happy to endlessly listen to the same records on the hits and commercial radio over and over again. ffs must get so freaking boring doing the same thing over and over again. Obv there is a wealth of stuff out there and you gotta be directed by obv by the shows and the press that matter, not Simon and heat magazine

 

I'm not goiing to enter into any argument I have my opinion just as you all have and it's just as valid. I don't know how old you are tigerboy but would suggest that your opinion that anyone who maybe doesn't like or follow 'indie' or metal ot any genre you consider 'real' are totally ignorant of all other music is sadly shortsighted and ill-informed. A lot of Will's fans grew up with Northern Soul in it's infancy , the Beatles, Motown, etc. etc. and do not listen endlessly to commercial radio and have a very wide and varied music taste.

 

I don't know what your "wealth of stuff" is in reference to but I bet my musical wealth outweighs your's :lol:

Edited June 8, 200718 yr by munchkin

I'm not goiing to enter into any argument I have my opinion just as you all have and it's just as valid. I don't know how old you are tigerboy but would suggest that your opinion that anyone who maybe doesn't like or follow 'indie' or metal ot any genre you consider 'real' are totally ignorant of all other music is sadly shortsighted and ill-informed. A lot of Will's fans grew up with Northern Soul in it's infancy , the Beatles, Motown, etc. etc. and do not listen endlessly to commercial radio and have a very wide and varied music taste.

 

I don't know what your "wealth of stuff" is in reference to but I bet my musical wealth outweighs your's :lol:

 

TBH, I dont really have the issue with Will Young I once did.... He aint my thing and never ever will be, but he broke free of the vice-like grip of Cowell and actually managed to stand on his own two feet, so fair dos..... I still totally despise that version he did of "Light My Fire" mind..... :P A cover of a cover, a bit lame-o, you have to admit..... But still not quite as sh!t as Gareth Gates' truly abominable version of "Spirit In The Sky" though.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

TBH, I dont really have the issue with Will Young I once did....

 

i've got no probs with him, neither with Westlife or McFly (who are easy targets). At least they are not trying to be marketed as something they are not like a large % of the so-called singer/songwriters who use as many co-writers and producers as an R&B album.

 

He aint my thing and never ever will be, but he broke free of the vice-like grip of Cowell and actually managed to stand on his own two feet, so fair dos..... I still totally despise that version he did of "Light My Fire" mind..... :P A cover of a cover, a bit lame-o, you have to admit..... But still not quite as sh!t as Gareth Gates' truly abominable version of "Spirit In The Sky" though.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Light My Fire, oh look a 'James Morrsion' cover :lol: now if only he'd do 'You Give Me Something' it might improve the song :lol:

 

. I still totally despise that version he did of "Light My Fire" mind..... :P A cover of a cover, a bit lame-o, you have to admit.....

It depends on how that cover of a cover is done surely?..i like Will's version a lot..he did on the show right at the start of his career ..and he did it very well indeed..IMO of course.

 

Motorhead: Leaving Here

 

My very first public performance with Pulp was at Rotherham Arts Centre on July 5th 1980. Back in those days, we always used to start off by playing that song. Of course, Motorhead didn’t write it [the original is by 60s R&B combo The Birds], so our rendition of it was a cover version of a cover version – which was very Will Young of us. It was quite thin and tinny when we did it, but very enthusiastic too

lots of people do covers of covers..that alright isn't it?..if they do them well and put their own stamp on their version.

 

It depends on how that cover of a cover is done surely?..i like Will's version a lot..he did on the show right at the start of his career ..and he did it very well indeed..IMO of course.

 

well that was based on the José Feliciano reading of the song wasnt it??? so probs notstamping that much USP on it.

 

 

well that was based on the José Feliciano reading of the song wasnt it??? so probs notstamping that much USP on it.

 

My goodness... :lol: thanks for posting that version..yes indeed Will did wonders with that track. IMO.

i wonder how good Jarvis's version of the Motorhead song was?

 

well that was based on the José Feliciano reading of the song wasnt it??? so probs notstamping that much USP on it.

 

 

 

Wow thanks for that i have never heard this before but i always thought it would be good... for some reason :blink: ............ that was bad :lol:

well that was based on the José Feliciano reading of the song wasnt it??? so probs notstamping that much USP on it.

 

 

Totally mate... In my eyes, it's just lazy... You're not even doing a cover of the original song, just someone else's interpretation of it... I didn't like Jose's version, but hey, he actually did put his own style and stamp onto it, unlike Will, so he gets credit on that score at least....

 

Just to balance things out, I hated Marilyn Manson's reading of "Tainted Love" for similar reasons, he just copied Soft Cell's cover of it, more or less....

 

Totally mate... In my eyes, it's just lazy... You're not even doing a cover of the original song, just someone else's interpretation of it... I didn't like Jose's version, but hey, he actually did put his own style and stamp onto it, unlike Will, so he gets credit on that score at least....

 

Just to balance things out, I hated Marilyn Manson's reading of "Tainted Love" for similar reasons, he just copied Soft Cell's cover of it, more or less....

 

even tho i dont like that Marc Almond record (probs better in chanson mode???) at least he did something different with his synth reading of the song.

 

still think the Gloria Jones versh of the song is the best ever 'reading' of that material (and you dont see Peter Kaye doing his synth bleepy finger routein :lol: )

 

 

MM (like Girl Aloud) should stick to his own stuff and never be allowed to do covers as they always are a pale immitation.

 

however in comparison to Milk Inc's versh :lol:

 

OMG - I've only ever seen clips of that performance before, I've always wanted to see it all but never could find it on youtube. Jacko went completelly over the top to say the least, and I am a huge fan of his music. Btw, what part did Jarvis come in on? :unsure:

 

i just watched the whole thing and didn't even see him :mellow: :arrr:

i just watched the whole thing and didn't even see him :mellow: :arrr:

 

well i think the latest brits was the first that was live since about 20 years the press said. so if he is not on there he will have been editied out by itv.

Came to this thread late - just want to echo the sentiments expressed by the pro-Jarvis camp. To call the Michael Jackson incident the only thing Jarvis Cocker is famous for is a f***ing insult to a man and band who had been making fantastic music for many years beforehand. 'Common People' would not have been the success it was if it hadn't been for the likes of 'Babies' to cause their star to rise to the point where they just might be able to get daytime play for the first time in nearly a decade and a half. When the 'public' (or those who happily buy what they're force fed and make little or no effort to track down music they really want to hear - those who were still buying Jackson's awful music at the time) heard 'Common People' there was a massive rush - not only for the single but the back catalogue too.

 

...and what was the record that kept Common People off the top? Robson and f***ing Jerome and their f***ing Cowell cashcow.

 

So, do any of you lot reckon you could just watch the X Factor this year and not feel the need to buy the $h!tey badge of support that is the inevitable c**p Westlife / Mariah rejected b-side that this year's carbon copy chart star for a day releases in the wake of winning this p***-poor version of Opportunity Knocks?

 

It'll have an even bigger influence this year too. Every week the charts will be full of re-entries for the 'theme' of the week as fans download the originals from iTunes. Greedy pop stars from yesteryear will be queuing up to be the 'special guest' who has their back catalogue massacred by vacuous, gullible and incredibly desperate nobodies.

Came to this thread late - just want to echo the sentiments expressed by the pro-Jarvis camp. To call the Michael Jackson incident the only thing Jarvis Cocker is famous for is a f***ing insult to a man and band who had been making fantastic music for many years beforehand. 'Common People' would not have been the success it was if it hadn't been for the likes of 'Babies' to cause their star to rise to the point where they just might be able to get daytime play for the first time in nearly a decade and a half. When the 'public' (or those who happily buy what they're force fed and make little or no effort to track down music they really want to hear - those who were still buying Jackson's awful music at the time) heard 'Common People' there was a massive rush - not only for the single but the back catalogue too.

 

...and what was the record that kept Common People off the top? Robson and f***ing Jerome and their f***ing Cowell cashcow.

 

So, do any of you lot reckon you could just watch the X Factor this year and not feel the need to buy the $h!tey badge of support that is the inevitable c**p Westlife / Mariah rejected b-side that this year's carbon copy chart star for a day releases in the wake of winning this p***-poor version of Opportunity Knocks?

 

It'll have an even bigger influence this year too. Every week the charts will be full of re-entries for the 'theme' of the week as fans download the originals from iTunes. Greedy pop stars from yesteryear will be queuing up to be the 'special guest' who has their back catalogue massacred by vacuous, gullible and incredibly desperate nobodies.

 

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

 

The FULL TRUTH Award goes to RICHIE.....

 

Abso-fukkin'-lutely mate....

 

Came to this thread late - just want to echo the sentiments expressed by the pro-Jarvis camp. To call the Michael Jackson incident the only thing Jarvis Cocker is famous for is a f***ing insult to a man and band who had been making fantastic music for many years beforehand. 'Common People' would not have been the success it was if it hadn't been for the likes of 'Babies' to cause their star to rise to the point where they just might be able to get daytime play for the first time in nearly a decade and a half. When the 'public' (or those who happily buy what they're force fed and make little or no effort to track down music they really want to hear - those who were still buying Jackson's awful music at the time) heard 'Common People' there was a massive rush - not only for the single but the back catalogue too.

 

...and what was the record that kept Common People off the top? Robson and f***ing Jerome and their f***ing Cowell cashcow.

 

So, do any of you lot reckon you could just watch the X Factor this year and not feel the need to buy the $h!tey badge of support that is the inevitable c**p Westlife / Mariah rejected b-side that this year's carbon copy chart star for a day releases in the wake of winning this p***-poor version of Opportunity Knocks?

 

It'll have an even bigger influence this year too. Every week the charts will be full of re-entries for the 'theme' of the week as fans download the originals from iTunes. Greedy pop stars from yesteryear will be queuing up to be the 'special guest' who has their back catalogue massacred by vacuous, gullible and incredibly desperate nobodies.

100% AGREE.

 

I too get angry when pop muppets have no apprecaition of Pulp's impact on music in the 90s. Common People, Sorted for Es and Wizz are iconic records which had genuine impact on the musical scene.

well said, Richie...and I hadn't thought of that - the braindead who watch XFactor... oh my GOD! Of course they're gonna be downloading the flaccid $h!te Cowell will be making them massacre every week, won't they?

 

We'll have that screeching banshee Mariah Carey and the gut-churning awfulness of Westlife in the charts every bloody week now :cry:

 

And as for Light My Fire... like Mr Young as I do - his version was shockingly terrible.... REALLY shockingly terrible, actually.

I still think Will Young's version of Light My Fire was great as it was a fresh twist on an old classic.

I still think Will Young's version of Light My Fire was great as it was a fresh twist on an old classic.

 

it as original as me just using Scotts opinion from earler on in the thread to answer this :lol:

 

and here it is.

 

 

Totally mate... In my eyes, it's just lazy... You're not even doing a cover of the original song, just someone else's interpretation of it... I didn't like Jose's version, but hey, he actually did put his own style and stamp onto it, unlike Will, so he gets credit on that score at least....

 

Just to balance things out, I hated Marilyn Manson's reading of "Tainted Love" for similar reasons, he just copied Soft Cell's cover of it, more or less....