On the Hits yeasterday Richard Park counted down the Worst records ever made by artists who should know better (the what were they thinking of charts), artists who usually make great records but on this occasion the expression wtf would be the only verdict to make!!!

 

the number one here was obv Rudebox by Robbie Williams!!!

 

Meanwhile today TMF counted down the really bad bad videos chart, featuring Peter Andre about twice, rednex, 2 unlimited, dave hasslehoff, javine and hale and pace.

 

#1 here was Vanilla - No way no Way

 

so which is really the worst record? a $h!t record made by a useless pop group that seem to be have dragged off romford high street?? or an equally $h!t record performed by someone who normally makes great tunes??? which one is a worst situation?

Rudebox is not $h!t, it is just extremly different and far too different for most of the general public. It went to #1 in more countries then Sexyback by Justin so it can't be that bad, it's just due to people being put off with him rapping :lol:

 

The first few times I heard Rudebox I called it a piece of $h!t, and said I hated it. But after many many listens it grew on me, whereas most people did'nt even give it a change and did'nt hear it alot as it got hardly any airplay. Anyway, it is great live imo, and far better than Vanilla. :lol:

Rudebox is not $h!t, it is just extremly different and far too different for most of the general public.

 

well the hits had it down as a dodgy record so it will stay labeled that way!!!

well the hits had it down as a dodgy record so it will stay labeled that way!!!

 

Of course it will stay labelled that way, but it ain't due to the Hits saying it, it is due to the media slagging it off constantly at it's release, if it had've gone to #1 in the Uk for weeks on end, there is no way it would get critisized so much imo. I personally see it as an extremly refreshing original sounding track, that is ahead of it's time and just very misunderstood. The lyrics in particular are very witty and funny.

Robbie Williams' Rudebox album will sit in his back catalogue in the same way that David Bowie's Low album (NME Readers worst album of 1977) & Kate Bush's 1982 album The Dreaming sits.

 

Hated at the time by the public, receiving mixed reviews at the time from the music critics but in retrospect hailed as a groundbreaking classic album ahead of its time.

 

 

 

That Vanilla song is crap, and so is Rudebox (the single)

BUT but but, The album (rudebox) overall is FAR better to what the critics make it out to be!

I cant stand Robbie, so the vote goes for him

Of course it will stay labelled that way, but it ain't due to the Hits saying it, it is due to the media slagging it off constantly at it's release, if it had've gone to #1 in the Uk for weeks on end, there is no way it would get critisized so much imo. I personally see it as an extremly refreshing original sounding track

 

but how can it be that 'original' if the riddim used is about 20 years old???

 

 

 

Robbie Williams' Rudebox album will sit in his back catalogue in the same way that David Bowie's Low album (NME Readers worst album of 1977) & Kate Bush's 1982 album The Dreaming sits.

 

Hated at the time by the public, receiving mixed reviews at the time from the music critics but in retrospect hailed as a groundbreaking classic album ahead of its time.

 

well i cant put into perspective what was going round at that time as hate for these artist's work may be due to other factors going on (punk? new wave? some dodgy comment towards whoever was the big thing at the time? the seven ages of rock only gives a snapshot) however i doubt the rudebox album will be viewed that way. Maybe it could be said of something like the Lazy Days single??? but rudebox esp compared to other records in this singer-songwriters back cat.

but how can it be that 'original' if the riddim used is about 20 years old???

 

It's original sounding because it sounds like nothing out there in the charts, hence why it shocked so many. Neither of those video sound anything like it btw, did you post up the right ones? :wacko: I have the Sly and Robbie track from the 80's, and the only part that is from that track the the part of the song just before the chorus as far as I can see.

 

Btw, here is the Vanilla track, I had almost forgotton how bad it was as I had'nt heard it in so long. It's so amusing, like Barby Girl etc. :lol:

 

It's original sounding because it sounds like nothing out there in the charts, hence why it shocked so many. Neither of those video sound anything like it btw, did you post up the right ones? :wacko:

 

well obv those are Chaka Demus & Pliers records and obv not Boops. however they are Sly and Robbie riddims/productions (and actualy there as i found Murder She Wrote on a reggae complitation the other and its something i'll have to go back and listen to more :lol:, just when i have stopped buying things like Intensive Care for £2!!!! :lol: )

 

however going in the opposite direction to Robbie, is a once $h!t band called No Doubt! this is how to remold yourself if your gonna do it right!!! Robbie take note!!!!

 

 

 

I have the Sly and Robbie track from the 80's, and the only part that is from that track the the part of the song just before the chorus as far as I can see.

 

well then again if you've got it, and know it, why did i need to post it :lol:

 

 

then again isnt the best part of rudebox the part that taken from sly and robbie. or do you actually think R.W. is the next T.I. :lol:

 

Btw, here is the Vanilla track, I had almost forgotton how bad it was as I had'nt heard it in so long. It's so amusing, like Barby Girl etc. :lol:

 

 

the only thing is here is Barbie Girl is a great record (rule of pop, cheese by Scandinavians = normally good thing) and still sounds good after all these years and years.

 

Vanilla is $h!t, and cant be a real attempt at a pop hit, must be a p*** take. so if it is a p*** take surely a failed attempt like Rudebox by a good artist make rudebox rank worse.

 

Btw, here is the Vanilla track, I had almost forgotton how bad it was as I had'nt heard it in so long. It's so amusing, like Barby Girl etc. :lol:

 

 

Oh GOD what is with their accents *shudders*

 

That song rips off some rock song I believe.

well i cant put into perspective what was going round at that time as hate for these artist's work may be due to other factors going on (punk? new wave? some dodgy comment towards whoever was the big thing at the time? the seven ages of rock only gives a snapshot) however i doubt the rudebox album will be viewed that way. Maybe it could be said of something like the Lazy Days single??? but rudebox esp compared to other records in this singer-songwriters back cat.

 

Oh I disagree. Look at the highly influencial AllMusic Guide site:

 

Rudebox 4.5 Stars (ie. 9 out of 10)

 

Review by John Bush

 

The careers of most music celebrities are like passenger ships, able to steam along nearly indefinitely without the least chance of modifying course. With his work of the 21st century, Robbie Williams appeared to have set himself on a course that was guaranteed to keep him working for decades, remaining important to thousands of fans, but never varying from the type of adult alternative singer/songwriter material expected of him.

 

Then came Rudebox, which proves he's not that simple — or at least, not that satisfied with himself. It may be a good album because it says little about his inner life and emotional troubles, which are unceremoniously dropped in favor of hyper-sexualized or sarcastic dance music and ironic laugh-getters ("Make your body shake like you stood on a land mine," "Dance like you just won at the Special Olympics"). It may be a good album because it has some of the best productions of his career, usually amped-up electro-disco from the duo Soul Mekanik or goofy hip-hop soul from Mark Ronson (which makes him come across as Justin Timberlake at some points and Gnarls Barkley at others). It's certainly a good record in comparison to its two predecessors, which suffered from a lack of vitality. (For example, while 2005's Intensive Care desultorily attempted to rewrite the Human League's "Louise," Rudebox simply covers the song, with much more feeling.) Compared to Escapology and Intensive Care, Rudebox is not only loose and fun but, for the first time in Williams' career, receptive to outside help; aside from the producers, Lily Allen and the Pet Shop Boys make appearances, and Robbie covers songs from Manu Chao, Lewis Taylor, Stephen Duffy, and the indie band My Robot Friend.

 

Not that the record is perfect; in fact, it has a few of the most embarrassing moments in Williams' career. The lyrics occasionally devolve into hip-hop nonsense ("Got no strings, but I think with my ding-a-ling/Wu-Tang with the bling-bling, sing a song of Sing Sing"). "The 80s" is even worse, a nostalgic but monotone rap that oddly balances adolescent trauma and pop culture ("Auntie Jo died of cancer/God didn't have an answer/Rhythm was a dancer") yet despite this is one of his greatest ever tracks. Even better, the next track after "The 80s" is "The 90s," a surprisingly bewitching chronicle of his boy-band years from 1990 to 1995. The fact remains that every track here is better and more interesting than anything from the previous two LPs, despite the occasional embarrassing couplet or misguided musical idea.

 

His previous 2 albums Escapology & Intensive Care just got 2 Stars (4 out of 10) & 2.5 Stars (5 out of 10) on AllMusic Guide which while harsh is fair in their assessment when compared to Rudebox. Despite the fact that both these patchy & dull albums respectively sold nearly 3 times as much as Rudebox.

Vanilla deserve to be tortured for that 'No Way No Way' song, so they get my vote. :arrr:

Robbie Williams' Rudebox album will sit in his back catalogue in the same way that David Bowie's Low album (NME Readers worst album of 1977) & Kate Bush's 1982 album The Dreaming sits.

 

Hated at the time by the public, receiving mixed reviews at the time from the music critics but in retrospect hailed as a groundbreaking classic album ahead of its time.

 

Sorry mate, but you give WAY too much credit to Robbie in comparing him to Bowie and Kate..... Be serious.... Robbie aint all bad (certainly a lot better than most of his contemporaries), but come on, Bowie and Kate are bloody music legends..... :lol: :lol:

 

As for the question, I'd rather listen to Robbie than that utter pile of garbage by Vanilla, and a bad record by a band who should know better isn't worse than a sh!tty group as such because there's always the chance that they'll get back to their usual standard at some point and we can just ignore the bad stuff and say it was a blip (eg, Iron Maiden did sh!t records when Blaze was in the band, soon as Bruce got back, the quality went up again, I choose to disavow the existence of the "Blaze Bailey" years, as do most Maiden fans....) A sh!t band will NEVER amount to a damn thing and will never produce anything worthwhile at any point....

Oh I disagree. Look at the highly influencial AllMusic Guide site:

 

Rudebox 4.5 Stars (ie. 9 out of 10)

 

Review by John Bush

 

His previous 2 albums Escapology & Intensive Care just got 2 Stars (4 out of 10) & 2.5 Stars (5 out of 10) on AllMusic Guide which while harsh is fair in their assessment when compared to Rudebox. Despite the fact that both these patchy & dull albums respectively sold nearly 3 times as much as Rudebox.

 

but dude its like so what?? its one album review, firstly you shouldnt just go off one review (esp in filmland if its Johnny Vaughn :lol: ) as sometimes you do get varying thoughts* (ffs one reviewer the other week gave Wedding Daze a good review and that was $h!t). so wouldnt just go off something like that and having heard the actual album i would say this review is kinda overrated. Obv on one hand not Life in Cartoon motion by the Lebanese pop vacuum (imo) however on the other not rated as high as Bowies best.

 

and anyway its the single that has been selected not the album. and btw isnt the worst album ever made normally in those lists something like Duran Duran, Kevin Roland or the Others :lol:

 

and anyway its only by chance the mucis channels have chosen Rudebox and Vanilla it could have easily have been Westlife and Mariah vs 2 Unlimited or whatever vs Meh Meh Meh

 

 

*however this is not an invitation to post all the good reviews of the rudebox album as that would be a bit too much obsessive fanboy :lol:

 

Sorry mate, but you give WAY too much credit to Robbie in comparing him to Bowie and Kate..... Be serious.... Robbie aint all bad (certainly a lot better than most of his contemporaries), but come on, Bowie and Kate are bloody music legends..... :lol: :lol:

 

As for the question, I'd rather listen to Robbie than that utter pile of garbage by Vanilla, and a bad record by a band who should know better isn't worse than a sh!tty group as such because there's always the chance that they'll get back to their usual standard at some point and we can just ignore the bad stuff and say it was a blip (eg, Iron Maiden did sh!t records when Blaze was in the band, soon as Bruce got back, the quality went up again, I choose to disavow the existence of the "Blaze Bailey" years, as do most Maiden fans....) A sh!t band will NEVER amount to a damn thing and will never produce anything worthwhile at any point....

 

cool tip someone who is trying to answer the question. see its not really about Rudebox and Vanilla, they are only there to peg this concept on it as a hook, by way as they were on those channels. see it could have easily have been DJ Otzi vs Maiden or Judas Preist and Def Lep vs Maiden :lol: