June 19, 200718 yr Yeah, more "Torture Porn" fodder masquerading as Horror..... Ooooh, and this one has Elisha Cuthbert as well... Another supposedly "hot" actress (read, she gets her kit off and/or goes around for the whole film wearing skimpy, barely-there costumes that only characters in Teen-fodder "Horror" films seem to wear)..... -_- NEXT!!!!!!! (not a reference to the Nic Cage film either, Alex... :lol: )
June 19, 200718 yr I thought this looked GOOD from the trailer. :o :unsure: That's the trouble with this forum, I think the trailer looks awesome and then I come in here and people say it's $h!t. :lol:
June 19, 200718 yr LOL. Same Kelly. :( I think it looks really good from the trailer. I may go see it I think.
June 19, 200718 yr I thought this looked GOOD from the trailer. :o :unsure: That's the trouble with this forum, I think the trailer looks awesome and then I come in here and people say it's $h!t. :lol: But dont you think that this is all getting incredibly wearing....? A whole slew of these films which seem to rely exclusively on scantily-clad young girls being systematically tortured by some drooling maniac is coming out and frankly, it's rather depressing..... It truly just marks a new low in film-making IMO... Sure, there's always been the "slasher" films, but these sorts of Torture Porn "Hostel"-type films are considerably worse than any of those... It just seems like the torture in these films is a replacement for a sex scene, that torture is being represented as "sex" in a sense.... Surely this is a very disturbing, unwelcome trend.... I honestly felt like I needed to take a shower after watching "Hostel"......
June 19, 200718 yr I think this looks good. :D ^_^ I've seen the trailers loads about on TV, and while although it does look similar to films like Hostel etc, they're the type of films I like and i'm not bored of them yet. :lol:
June 20, 200718 yr I think this looks good. :D ^_^ I've seen the trailers loads about on TV, and while although it does look similar to films like Hostel etc, they're the type of films I like and i'm not bored of them yet. :lol: But mate, what's really good about lingering, leering close ups of young girls being tortured....? You dont find it depressing that this is what Horror films seem to have become....? I dunno, it's just all getting a bit too much.....
June 20, 200718 yr But mate, what's really good about lingering, leering close ups of young girls being tortured....? You dont find it depressing that this is what Horror films seem to have become....? I dunno, it's just all getting a bit too much..... Well I can't really compare the likes of Horror films now to the ones that were about 20 years or so ago or whatever because i've never seen them, but I just think times have changed now, I mean there's a market for these sort of films and as long as people continue going to the cinema to watch them or buying them on DVD the majority of Horror films will stay this way unless there's some radical change or people going off these sort of films.
June 20, 200718 yr If people like it people like it ... get over it. I take it you like seeing young, semi naked girls being tortured and dismembered then..... Gets you off does it....? These films are purely for junior perverts, mysoginists and people who dont have the guts to become fully sadomasochistic and get into BDSM. I'll say to you what I said to Callum, either have something of some value to say and have an actual well-rounded, well thought out opinion, or go post somewhere else.... This is a Cinema discussion forum, not a place for glib pronouncements.... Is intelligent debate on Cinema too much to ask for......?
June 21, 200718 yr Well I can't really compare the likes of Horror films now to the ones that were about 20 years or so ago or whatever because i've never seen them, but I just think times have changed now, I mean there's a market for these sort of films and as long as people continue going to the cinema to watch them or buying them on DVD the majority of Horror films will stay this way unless there's some radical change or people going off these sort of films. I just think that this is a regression to the bad old days of objectification..... Only, it's a lot worse... The women in most Hollywood films of the 40s, 50s and 60s were objectified and festished as sex objects, ie, they were sexual fantasies, Torture Porn is offering us not sexual objectification or fantasy, but torture objectification/fantasy... It's vastly more unpleasant and disturbing to be honest, scenes of torture seem to be replacing sex scenes in teen horror flicks, and frankly I dont like this trend, the whole "sex = death" thing in a lot of 'slasher' films was a bit corny, but at least corny is all it was, not downright sick and twisted.... I dont mind Horror films being disturbing (I managed to sit through "Devil's Rejects" and thought it was one of the most incredible Extreme Horror films ever made, but I saw that as being a bit more towards the surreal with its uneven tone which could change from Horror to Comedy and back again in an instant..), but there is virtually no context to what goes on in films like "Hostel", there is no real identification with the victims because the characters are not represented as being fully rounded human beings with feelings, whereas in "Wolf Creek" it's vastly different, the characters in the film are well-rounded, likeable, three dimensional, and very human, we can relate to and identify with them, and feel their pain and suffering, in short, we as the audience are put in their position... It's not really that way with the "Torture Porn" films, where we are positioned to identify with the attacker, we WANT to see them commit the torture and see the female victims suffer, whereas in "Wolf Creek" it is the opposite, we WANT to see the girls escape and get out alive. I was disturbed by "Wolf Creek" in a good way, it upset me, almost made me cry, but I had genuine emotional response to that film, I felt NO emotion at all watching "Hostel", I just felt nothing, it was a totally mind-numbing experience.... Well, okay not strictly true about feeling nothing.... I did feel something, I felt dirty, I felt like I needed to have a shower and wash the sleaze of that piece of lousy, racist, mysoginistic American garbage out of my system.....
June 21, 200718 yr Well I can't really compare the likes of Horror films now to the ones that were about 20 years or so ago or whatever because i've never seen them, but I just think times have changed now, well i suppose it might be better spending your £6 on a dvd of these old films as i'm sure you will able to find some 4 and 5 star quality and not something like this that has been rated as a no star film in the times (and i dont think i've ever seen that happen before!!!) I mean there's a market for these sort of films and as long as people continue going to the cinema to watch them or buying them on DVD the majority of Horror films will stay this way unless there's some radical change or people going off these sort of films. the horror movie genre is now the timbaland of film, production line fodder churning them out as they know the audience will go and see every one, even tho it is now uninspiring (but still has that edge that is perceived kinda cool in that targeted demographic)
June 21, 200718 yr the horror movie genre is now the timbaland of film, production line fodder churning them out as they know the audience will go and see every one, even tho it is now uninspiring (but still has that edge that is perceived kinda cool in that targeted demographic) Hmmm, I would say most so-called "Horror" films these days are more like the "Simon Cowell" or "Westlife" of film-making.... The seemingly endless regurgitation of remakes certainly fit into this category.....
June 21, 200718 yr No, its just that everytime someone likes something you dont you make it seem as if its a crime to like it.
June 21, 200718 yr I just think that this is a regression to the bad old days of objectification..... Only, it's a lot worse... The women in most Hollywood films of the 40s, 50s and 60s were objectified and festished as sex objects, ie, they were sexual fantasies, Torture Porn is offering us not sexual objectification or fantasy, but torture objectification/fantasy... It's vastly more unpleasant and disturbing to be honest, scenes of torture seem to be replacing sex scenes in teen horror flicks, and frankly I dont like this trend, the whole "sex = death" thing in a lot of 'slasher' films was a bit corny, but at least corny is all it was, not downright sick and twisted.... I dont mind Horror films being disturbing (I managed to sit through "Devil's Rejects" and thought it was one of the most incredible Extreme Horror films ever made, but I saw that as being a bit more towards the surreal with its uneven tone which could change from Horror to Comedy and back again in an instant..), but there is virtually no context to what goes on in films like "Hostel", there is no real identification with the victims because the characters are not represented as being fully rounded human beings with feelings, whereas in "Wolf Creek" it's vastly different, the characters in the film are well-rounded, likeable, three dimensional, and very human, we can relate to and identify with them, and feel their pain and suffering, in short, we as the audience are put in their position... It's not really that way with the "Torture Porn" films, where we are positioned to identify with the attacker, we WANT to see them commit the torture and see the female victims suffer, whereas in "Wolf Creek" it is the opposite, we WANT to see the girls escape and get out alive. I was disturbed by "Wolf Creek" in a good way, it upset me, almost made me cry, but I had genuine emotional response to that film, I felt NO emotion at all watching "Hostel", I just felt nothing, it was a totally mind-numbing experience.... Well, okay not strictly true about feeling nothing.... I did feel something, I felt dirty, I felt like I needed to have a shower and wash the sleaze of that piece of lousy, racist, mysoginistic American garbage out of my system..... Well I see where you're coming from as that's what the majority of Horror films are like nowadays; a bunch of teens faced with the prospect of having a mad killer or something like that find them. Films like Wolf Creek do get to you because you actually feel for the characters as you know their background and everything whereas in the majority of slasher films you don't see a lot of character depth so the audience doesn't feel much when the charcters get killed. It's like Jeepers Creepers 1 and 2. The first one has two charcters who you get to know throughout the film whilst they avoid the Creeper whereas the second one is just a bunch of 30 or so kids who you only really get to know about 7 of them and the rest of them just magically disappear and you never seem them again, which is a total contrast to the first film. I just think it's the way the general Horror movie market's adapted. I mean I like these films such as Captivity because they keep me entertained and while yes it's sick and everything it gages my intrest and wants me to watch the film.
June 21, 200718 yr No, its just that everytime someone likes something you dont you make it seem as if its a crime to like it. No, I can just see things from a woman's perspective, whereas you clearly cannot.... Elisha Cuthbert, semi-naked, tortured, trapped in a dungeon-like basement and objectified brings into play sexualised violence towards women and fetishistic torture far more than a male actor in the same situation, these films do have male victims, but the violence towards them is nowhere near as sexualised.... Actually go onto IMDb and look at what some of the female posters on the IMDb forum have to say about this film... You might just learn something..... And I dont exactly see eye to eye with what Rooney has to say, but at least he puts across his points with a bit of thought and intelligence.....
June 21, 200718 yr Hmmm, I would say most so-called "Horror" films these days are more like the "Simon Cowell" or "Westlife" of film-making.... The seemingly endless regurgitation of remakes certainly fit into this category..... well i suppose if you are just thinking of plot and the moneys it will genrate i suppose yeah man it could be said, but obv not as cheese worthy. No, I can just see things from a woman's perspective, whereas you clearly cannot.... Elisha Cuthbert, semi-naked, tortured, trapped in a dungeon-like basement and objectified brings into play sexualised violence towards women and fetishistic torture far more than a male actor in the same situation, these films do have male victims, but the violence towards them is nowhere near as sexualised.... Actually go onto IMDb and look at what some of the female posters on the IMDb forum have to say about this film... You might just learn something..... btw notice how 'Kim Bauer's' boobie area is kinda highlighted on the posters, almost like its outlined in dirt. I wonder what the demographic for the auds of this
June 24, 200718 yr I wonder what the demographic for the auds of this Probable Demographics.... Mostly spotty, nerdy adolescent teenage boys who have never seen a real naked lady, and are very unlikely to... ever.... Oh, and Trainee sexual sadists/serial killers..... Give 'em a few ideas for how to torture and imprison young, nubile girls....
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