Just like the Rolling Stones in the 60's had something to prove to The Beatles, The Clash were seen to be snapping at the heels of the Sex Pistols, true or false.

 

Leading lights of the punk/post punk explosion, some of their hits were

 

White riot, Complete control, Clash city rockers, Tommy gun, London calling, Bankrobber, Rock the casbah, Should I stay or should I go, I fought the law.

not keen myself, got nothing by them. but i do recognise their impact upon music, with strong african influences they were a leading light in racial equality.

False.

 

Not only were members of The Clash operating before the Sex Pistols - Joe was in the 101ers and I think Topper had played for a few pub rock bands - but they didn't need to rely on scams dreamt up by their manager to become notorious. It's true that they were in the shadow of the Pistols early on, but they rose way above them when they released 'London Calling' in 1979.

 

Dunno about 'African' influences but the band embraced reggae, dub, ska etc. from early on with their cover of 'Police and Thieves' right up to Mikey Dread's dub versions of tracks on 'Sandanista!'

 

They are a considerably more important band than the Sex Pistols.

False.

 

Not only were members of The Clash operating before the Sex Pistols - Joe was in the 101ers and I think Topper had played for a few pub rock bands - but they didn't need to rely on scams dreamt up by their manager to become notorious.

 

then again maybe both were equal and were following others from New York or somewhere else. Strange how the band Suicide turns up so many times in random places!!!! maybe someone should do a thread about them

 

no doubt you've seen the NME this week with their tribute to Joe Strummer and the clash that ties into the Juliam Temple film Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten but did you also see the news about Carbon/Silicon with features Mike Jones of the Clash and obv the producer of the libs finest moments!!! This project is with a dude called Tony James who was once in the Sister Of Mercy years ago, which can only be a good thing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/CarbonSilicon.jpg

 

however on the other hand this supergroup might be very dodgy as Tony James seems to have been in a band further back which had comedy lead crooner Billy Idol as it's star. Also the drummer is from Kubb and he used to be in Reef, so obv not Tony Allen then!!! do you think this project will be any good? will the be the next TGTBATQ? or end up quite like some of the tunes below??? it could be good it could be bad but i guessit wont sound like queen :lol:

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/TheGoodtheBadandtheQueen.jpg

 

Big Audio Dynamite:

 

 

 

 

 

Sigue Sigue Sputnik

 

Sigue Sigue Sputnik is a British pop-cyberpunk band that achieved moderate fame in the mid- to late 1980s, when the song "Love Missile F1-11" hit the pop charts around the world. "Love Missile F1-11"'s success was due in part to the song's use in the cult-hit movie Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Led by former Generation X bassist Tony James, the band adopted a style of new wave music similar to that of such bands as New York electronica duo Suicide and Swiss techno-rock duo Yello, by layering vocals, yelps, guitar riffs, electronic sound effects and short samples over pulsating synthesizer bass lines.

 

The themes and imagery in the band's songs were often influenced by futuristic, dystopian or post-apocalyptic films such as A Clockwork Orange, The Terminator, Blade Runner and the Mad Max trilogy. The band's music and image also mashed together a range of other pop culture influences, including the electronica/Krautrock influences of Kraftwerk, Marc Bolan's T-Rex, and the swagger and sex appeal of Eddie Cochran, Elvis Presley and glam rock.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sisters of Mercy:

 

 

 

 

Generation X:

 

 

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Reef-rides.jpg

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT2KRZz4G0s...ted&search=

 

Reef:

 

Suicide (Martin Rev and Alan Vega) were highly influential especially on post-punk and mid-80s psych e.g. Spacemen 3.

 

Yes, Tony James was in Generation X with Billy Idol.

False.

 

Not only were members of The Clash operating before the Sex Pistols - Joe was in the 101ers and I think Topper had played for a few pub rock bands - but they didn't need to rely on scams dreamt up by their manager to become notorious. It's true that they were in the shadow of the Pistols early on, but they rose way above them when they released 'London Calling' in 1979.

 

Dunno about 'African' influences but the band embraced reggae, dub, ska etc. from early on with their cover of 'Police and Thieves' right up to Mikey Dread's dub versions of tracks on 'Sandanista!'

 

They are a considerably more important band than the Sex Pistols.

 

In terms of musical legacy and influence almost certainly... Johnny Lydon's other band Public Image Limited were also streets ahead of the Pistols in terms of music...

but would the clash have got their market if it wasnt for the pistols who although werent very good were certainly the catalyst that other groups needed .

In terms of musical legacy and influence almost certainly... Johnny Lydon's other band Public Image Limited were also streets ahead of the Pistols in terms of music...

 

yeah think we've argued this before havent we????

 

and the Information Society are still wanting to be the electro PIL

 

 

 

 

PIL on the other hand s:down:

 

 

but would the clash have got their market if it wasnt for the pistols who although werent very good were certainly the catalyst that other groups needed .

 

Punk would've happened with our without The Sex Pistols mate, the mood was there for it to happen, so yes, The Clash would have thrived without Johnny, Sid, Steve and Paul.... The Pistols were hardly the first Punk band mate, that would be The Damned getting their "New Rose" out there almost a year before The Sex Pistols... The Clash had a markedly different sort of audience to The Sex Pistols as well...

New Rose was only a few months before Anarchy wasn't it?

 

Besides the New York Dolls and Ramones had a headstart on the UK punk bands.

 

The Clash had almost ceased to be 'punk' by the end of the 70s anyway. They'd become more conventional rock by then.

New Rose was only a few months before Anarchy wasn't it?

 

Besides the New York Dolls and Ramones had a headstart on the UK punk bands.

 

yeah i go with that opinion too. well i'm no Victoria Coren but you can think of the word punk as in the orig 'you dirty punk', 'dumb punk' etc etc coming from the mouth of someone like an late 1960s or early 1970s New Yorker (a Dectective perhaps) so'd i guess it must have its routes in places like the CBGBs Club before the style hit King's Road.

 

The Clash had almost ceased to be 'punk' by the end of the 70s anyway. They'd become more conventional rock by then.

 

well i suppose with which mindset and brand associations you class it with :lol:

 

some of the punk books say the labels new wave and punk were interchangable, and not just easily pidgeonhold into the style that kerrang!s corporate punk bands are of today. the clash might actually be more 'punk' depending whether its idealism over the concept of style, dont know

New Rose was only a few months before Anarchy wasn't it?

 

Besides the New York Dolls and Ramones had a headstart on the UK punk bands.

 

The Clash had almost ceased to be 'punk' by the end of the 70s anyway. They'd become more conventional rock by then.

 

i could never stand the ramones though... dunno what the fuss was about tbh, they looked more like hippies then punks...

 

most 'punk' groups.. or groups that used the punk bandwaggon to get started had evolved pretty rapidly to get their own style by '79. many had tuned down their 'punk' credentials to become pop groups... like the boomtown rats...

i could never stand the ramones though... dunno what the fuss was about tbh, they looked more like hippies then punks...

 

there some kinda point to be said here about 00s corporate rock and its labeling 'if it looks like punk it must be punk' verses probs the true vibe of what punk stood for and what they were dsoing it for in the 70s, but my brain is still hammered from last night :lol:

 

most 'punk' groups.. or groups that used the punk bandwaggon to get started had evolved pretty rapidly to get their own style by '79. many had tuned down their 'punk' credentials to become pop groups... like the boomtown rats...

 

who obv became razorlight :lol: :lol: