I don't want to see money handed out to kids of wealthy families.

 

Education is an obligation, it should not be seen as a paid activity

 

All EMA should be scrapped or alternatively just paid out to those that are on the absolute breadline

 

I knew someone would come back with that :lol:

 

I don't think it should be scrapped altogether because many student do put effort in and put money to use, but in my personal circumstances for example, my household earns more than the required amount, but we're certainly not 'wealthy'.

 

Many students in the same position as myself work hard in college but they also have to take a part-time job to fund their own life. Surely these students should be rewarded and therefore aren't as stressed out with the extra amount of job hours they need to take up?

 

And I agree that the incentive itself should be the qualification not the EMA. It's just so obvious at sixth form that some only turn up to get money cos they can't be bothered to get a real job <_<

I knew someone would come back with that :lol:

 

I don't think it should be scrapped altogether because many student do put effort in and put money to use, but in my personal circumstances for example, my household earns more than the required amount, but we're certainly not 'wealthy'.

 

Many students in the same position as myself work hard in college but they also have to take a part-time job to fund their own life. Surely these students should be rewarded and therefore aren't as stressed out with the extra amount of job hours they need to take up?

 

And I agree that the incentive itself should be the qualification not the EMA. It's just so obvious at sixth form that some only turn up to get money cos they can't be bothered to get a real job <_<

 

Yeah I didn't mean you specifically but I deliberately gave extreme examples such as the kids of the Duke of Westminster and Roman Abramovich as they would be entitled to it too if it became a free for all, we had a situation where with Child Benefit Princess Diana was claiming child benefit for William and Harry even though she was living in unimaginable luxury and Wills and Harry were at Eton so just as I am opposed to child benefit being paid to the rich so I have to maintain the same line over EMA as those 2 examples I gave would be entitled to claim it so it wasn't a pop at you :)

 

Part time jobs infact any form of work looks great on CV's though and someone who is out working and shows they can knuckle down to a job is far more attractive to an employer than someone who is not so those students that are working part time instead of getting EMA are putting themselves at an advantage in the job market

 

To avoid abuse of the system where millionaire and billionaire's kids could get EMA the line would have to be drawn somewhere in terms of means testing, I think currently it is £30,000 a year which is a decent household income

 

 

It seems stupid Diana was claiming it? Although she was entitled to it..

 

Surely though, it'd be better for all students to be eligible for it - even affluent students - than have no students being able to apply for it, because then the skint students have no chance in hell..?

It seems stupid Diana was claiming it? Although she was entitled to it..

 

Surely though, it'd be better for all students to be eligible for it - even affluent students - than have no students being able to apply for it, because then the skint students have no chance in hell..?

 

I can see where you are coming from but 6th forms also have to ensure the right people are attending 6th form as kids who are just there for money could well distract and affect the work of hard working students who want to go to uni and better themselves.

 

If your system was bought in I would link it to performance, quality of work, behaviour in class, conduct/attitude and so on so at least that way those that are getting it are putting in the effort and not just turning up for the money so yes I could see your system working as long as it is linked to performance in the classroom, kids just turning up at school for the money and not putting in any effort is wrong to me so pay everyone but mess about in class and distract others and don't do the work to the required standard then no money :)

Edited July 12, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Well with EMAs what people have told me is for the first couple of weeks they spend the money on College books etc, but after that it just goes on clothes, drink etc etc. It's a good incentive though to keep students on at College and all the bonuses and stuff are good.

 

But the EMA system is really unfair, it's a good idea but it's got a lot of faults in it. The goverment should really look at reviewing it tbh.

Well with EMAs what people have told me is for the first couple of weeks they spend the money on College books etc, but after that it just goes on clothes, drink etc etc. It's a good incentive though to keep students on at College and all the bonuses and stuff are good.

 

But the EMA system is really unfair, it's a good idea but it's got a lot of faults in it. The goverment should really look at reviewing it tbh.

 

Surely the incentive though should be on learning, getting good grades and getting a good job at the end of it, that alone should be incentive enough not money, anyone who doesn't have getting good grades and getting a job as their motivation for 6th form should not be doing 6th form

 

Students survived for generations without EMA's they are not an essential and society even at the bottom end of the scale is still substantially wealthier compared with a decade or so ago

Edited July 12, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Surely the incentive though should be on learning, getting good grades and getting a good job at the end of it, that alone should be incentive enough not money, anyone who doesn't have getting good grades and getting a job as their motivation for 6th form should not be doing 6th form

 

Students survived for generations without EMA's they are not an essential and society even at the bottom end of the scale is still substantially wealthier compared with a decade or so ago

 

But the problem nowadays is that there's so much options open to kids that they need an incentive to stay on a further education. They've just come out of school and there's the oppotunity of going into full time education, now that might look good in the short term but in the long term it's awful and because kids can't be bothered with going to college or whatever now they'd rather just leave and start full time education. But it's not just that, like my school doesn't have a 6th form for i've got to go to college and it's not exactly next door to me so I might want to pay for a bus fair or something, or people that drive cars might use EMA for petrol.

 

They're not needed and most people could get through without them, but it's a nice incentitive for kids and the fact is there's so much peer pressure and everything about now that the whole concept of school and college has changed through the generations.

I am not suggesting everyone get EMA - I actually don't think anyone should get it!

 

My sons best friend (doing same courses at same college) will be getting £30 per week - and the discussion I was part of didn't leave me thinking much of it would be spent on bus fares / books etc! He seemed to think his parents would still be paying for all that!

 

I doubt very much of EMA gets spent on what it is intended for.

 

I consider things such as books and bus fares my responsibility - I am the parent - but I cannot afford to hand over £30 each week - I am only a teacher ;)

 

He will just have to do what I did at 16 - get a Saturday job!