I'm pro-abortion. While I think that it is a problem that some people think it's okay to have as many abortions as they want, the absolute WORST thing to do would be banning abortion. Like Grimly Fiendish said, we'll be back to the Backstreet Abortionist days.

 

A woman has a right to her body, and NO one should be able to tell her what to do with it.

A Foetus CANNOT EXIST ON ITS OWN without the mother's body to sustain it, simple as, it CANNOT BREATHE outside the mother's body, therefore it is part of the mother as opposed to being a lifeform in its own right... A foetus does not become a developed lifeform until it is BORN....

 

my my, you are WRONG.

 

(as someone has already said) a baby/toddler even cant survive without its mother.. so is it ok to kill them?

 

i can accept your argument about a foetus, but just when does a foetus stop being a foetus and becomes a baby human being?... like craig said, NOT at the point of birth! otherwise babies that are premature just would never survive. craig also is spot on where he said that unborn babies do become 'mini humans' in their own right long before birth as they move independantly, their heart beats, they suck their thumbs, they sleep, they wake, all they are doing is growing, so yes, they ARE a life form in their own right!!!! (cant believe you could be so wrong on this m8)

 

it isnt mysoginistic to state the truth,... its the female that has the ultimate responsability as they are the ones who get pregnant. but it is the responsability of both to ensure conception doesnt happen.

 

its a simple equasion really... if you dont want a baby, dont have unprotected sex. simple.

Getting rid of the little f***ers before they start to take after their chavvy, scum of society parents is a good thing if you ask me!

 

Abortion is an evil and part of that education should be to drum into women that are having abortions that they are doing an evil thing and are taking away a human life the same way as they would be if they killed someone in the street, they need to be educated into thinking what they are doing is evil and made to feel incredibly guilty and ashamed at what they are doing then they might think twice about doing it if they are made out to be child killers in the eyes of the public

 

The only legitimate excuse for abortion is in the event of rape or where there is severe proven health dangers to the woman in her giving birth or the baby is likely to be so severely handicapped that life for them is not worth living.

 

Women need it drummed into them that abortion is an evil and that they are de facto child murderers

 

 

Abortion to me is murder and it is time to really make people having abortions to feel like $h!t

 

 

So when you have educated girls to believe abortion is evil - and then due to no fault of their own have to have an abortion (medical reasons etc) how are you going to stop them hating themselves for the rest of their lives?

 

Whilst I abhor abortions - I do not believe I have the right to tell others what to do.

 

NO one - NO ONE - knows how they will react - how they will feel - and such a huge, life changing decision can only be made by the individual who will have to live with it for the rest of her life.

 

I truely believe abortions are FAR too easy to get - and there is little, if any, counselling / support apparent after.

 

but again this issue raises a much more worrying trend....

 

......... an increase in teen abortions, means an increase in teen pregnancies which in turn means their is an increase in teens having unprotected sex.

 

It would be niave and thankless to think teens are ever going to stop having sex.

 

I agree we need a much more thourough sex education that starts earlier than year 10 - :rolleyes:

 

but we need a much more open attitude too parents and society and "outraged of Tunbridge Wells" need to stop being embarassed and start being a lot more open.

Edited August 14, 200717 yr by ICR

my my, you are WRONG.

 

(as someone has already said) a baby/toddler even cant survive without its mother.. so is it ok to kill them?

 

i can accept your argument about a foetus, but just when does a foetus stop being a foetus and becomes a baby human being?... like craig said, NOT at the point of birth! otherwise babies that are premature just would never survive.

 

Premature babies only survive by medical means Rob, ie, incubators... Without inubators, they wouldn't survive outside the womb, simple as, the incubator acts in more or less the same way a mother's womb does, that's the whole point, until incubators premature babies simply did NOT survive... Okay, just for the sake of arguement, let's say that anything up to seven months is a Foetus, after that, the lines do blur a bit, but I simply dont accept that they are fully a "mini human" or whatever, because they still cannot exist without some kind of intervention whether in the womb itself or by medical means...

 

I'm talking about basic existence here, obviously a newborn baby still needs its parents in order to survive, but at least a baby can basically exist without the need to be inside the mother's body or to be in an incubator, THAT is the difference, and that is why I call a Foetus a parasite, parasites cannot even basically exist without another host...

it isnt mysoginistic to state the truth,... its the female that has the ultimate responsability as they are the ones who get pregnant. but it is the responsability of both to ensure conception doesnt happen.

 

its a simple equasion really... if you dont want a baby, dont have unprotected sex. simple.

 

Yeah, so simple innit mate...? And if a condom splits..? If there's a dodgy batch of contraceptives...? Both of which could happen (happened to a friend of mine, she DID take the contraceptive pill, and she still got pregnant, so, yeah, she had an abortion, because she clearly was not trying for a kid), should a woman still be forced to have a kid when there's clearly no intent...? Bollocks they should...

 

I called Craig a mysoginist because he's coming up with this arguement that a young girl should be made to feel guilty for even contemplating an abortion and that this guilt should somehow be enforced by the education system.. Sorry, but that aint education, that's simply the breeding of ignorance and fear in order to control women's thoughts and actions, and THAT is what various religions have been doing for thousands of years mate. Men are sh!t scared of women having abortions for one simple reason - they have no control over it.. Men MUST have control over a woman mustn't they....? Not mysoginist...? Of course it is... Frankly I'm amazed he left out "keep them chained to the kitchen" in his post....

 

No, what education should be there to do is to make people aware of what could happen both medically and psychologically to a woman when she has an abortion, and the emphasis should be placed on contraception with abortion being the very last resort if something does go wrong.. In short, education should be about equipping people with all the facts, not about spreading a load of mysoginistic bollocks, finger wagging and saying "you shouldn't do that an if you do, you're evil...". I thought we'd left that sort of rubbish behind us...

I called Craig a mysoginist because he's coming up with this arguement that a young girl should be made to feel guilty for even contemplating an abortion and that this guilt should somehow be enforced by the education system.. Sorry, but that aint education, that's simply the breeding of ignorance and fear in order to control women's thoughts and actions, and THAT is what various religions have been doing for thousands of years mate. Men are sh!t scared of women having abortions for one simple reason - they have no control over it.. Men MUST have control over a woman mustn't they....? Not mysoginist...? Of course it is... Frankly I'm amazed he left out "keep them chained to the kitchen" in his post....

 

With respect Scott that is absolute rubbish, my stance on anti abortion is based on the right to life not being a caveman who thinks a woman's place is cooking and cleaning, I simply believe in the right to life and that abortion is a selfish act that denies right to a life to a developing baby

 

All of my partners in my life have been working women, all had full time jobs and I fully supported that, I never expected women to be a cook, cleaner and sex slave

 

It is not about control when it comes to me it is about the right to life

Yeah, so simple innit mate...? And if a condom splits..? If there's a dodgy batch of contraceptives...? Both of which could happen (

 

morning after pill..... sorted.

 

but if there was an accident then tough. im with craig on this, its a life and has a right to it.

 

i dont want any more kids.... at my age i dont want the resposability both financial and emotional of bringing up a sprog. however if clare did fall pregnant then its my tough, theres no way would i agree to a termination although ultimately its clares choice.

morning after pill..... sorted.

 

But a person might not necessarily realise they were pregnant until weeks later if it was a dodgy contraceptive pill that was the problem, Morning After pill aint gonna do jack all about it then really is it...? Sorry mate, but you cannot force any woman to go full term if that aint their wish, especially if they do take all reasonable precautions and summat just goes wrong, you or I dont have the right, simple as... And it certainly is not the place of the State or the church to dictate dominion over a woman's body... Whether you "agree" or not is irrelevant mate, sorry, but it aint you that has to have the kid, and if there's no intent and it's an accident, the kid would more than likely not be loved and would be resented because it "ruined" the mother's life...

 

Yes, the teen abortion thing is a problem, but the alternative more than likely means yet MORE bloody brats WE have to support through our Taxes.... <_<

but how many pregnancies are as a result of failed contraception?.... very very few! and if the condom failed then surely the female would take the morning after pill as a precaution.

 

it isnt a case of telling anyone what they should do with their body so much as having a culture whereby unprotected sex is the norm, having a culture where responsable sex is practiced, you are comming across as condoning abortion as an acceptable form of contraception when it should be a safety net. most teenage abortions by a mile are as a result of careless sex.

it isnt a case of telling anyone what they should do with their body so much as having a culture whereby unprotected sex is the norm, having a culture where responsable sex is practiced, you are comming across as condoning abortion as an acceptable form of contraception when it should be a safety net.

 

Erm, well, you're getting entirely the wrong end of the stick if you believe that mate.. Actually read my posts, I think I've been very clear, I've said several times that abortion should only be used as a very LAST resort, but at the same time I aint gonna deny any woman the right to have one, I dont think that's inconsistent at all, being 'Pro-Choice' is just that mate, it's about allowing everyone the option... Fundamentally, there is a lack of education, which is the thing that I am most disturbed about, somewhere along the line we've just totally forgotten the "Safe Sex" message which was so prevalent in the 80s when I was a teenager... THAT is where I feel the problem lies and the root causes of the problem - a lack of proper sex education (which should certainly NOT include the guilt-trips and shaming that Craig suggests. I think if you were to actually go through the serious ramifications of STDs and what they can do to your body, that would seriously shake the average 13/14-year old up, and give them the heavy dose of reality they damn well need, MEDICAL FACTS, not quasi-Catholic Guilt bullsh!it..), NOT the availability of abortions per se... The Safe Sex message has to become as important again as it once was, HIV, AIDS aint gone away, a lot of kids seem to believe that HIV/AIDS was an 80s problem and that it doesn't really exist now...

Erm, well, you're getting entirely the wrong end of the stick if you believe that mate.. Actually read my posts, I think I've been very clear, I've said several times that abortion should only be used as a very LAST resort, but at the same time I aint gonna deny any woman the right to have one, I dont think that's inconsistent at all, being 'Pro-Choice' is just that mate, it's about allowing everyone the option... Fundamentally, there is a lack of education, which is the thing that I am most disturbed about, somewhere along the line we've just totally forgotten the "Safe Sex" message which was so prevalent in the 80s when I was a teenager... THAT is where I feel the problem lies and the root causes of the problem - a lack of proper sex education (which should certainly NOT include the guilt-trips and shaming that Craig suggests. I think if you were to actually go through the serious ramifications of STDs and what they can do to your body, that would seriously shake the average 13/14-year old up, and give them the heavy dose of reality they damn well need, MEDICAL FACTS, not quasi-Catholic Guilt bullsh!it..), NOT the availability of abortions per se... The Safe Sex message has to become as important again as it once was, HIV, AIDS aint gone away, a lot of kids seem to believe that HIV/AIDS was an 80s problem and that it doesn't really exist now...

 

I used to work about 3 doors away from an abortion clinic in London where women could simply have abortions on demand in their lunch hour at work and then after having the abortion simply glibly munch on their prawn sandwich and return to work with little or no regard for the fact they have just terminated a life of a child to be, they are the sort of ones that need to be made to feel guilty and I offer no apology for that, I am pro life and simply having an abortion on demand in work lunch hour and going back to the job as if nothing ever happened is just VILE to me

Think of this way though, say abortion was illegal. And a girl gets pregnant who simply cannot handle a baby, but is forced to have it. Think of the life that child would live by a mother who simply could not raise her/him right. =/ Who knows what kind of life the child would live.

... then have it adopted by someone who would be a good parents.

So you trust all irresponsible parents to have their child adopted? What if no one DOES adopt them?

Edited August 18, 200717 yr by Medicatedsoap

So you trust all irresponsible parents to have their child adopted? What if no one DOES adopt them?

 

In this country there is far more people on the adoption register than there is kids available to be adopted

 

There is little or no chance of that happening

In this country there is far more people on the adoption register than there is kids available to be adopted

 

There is little or no chance of that happening

 

Absolute rubbish Craig.. There are children's homes FULL of kids who nobody wants mate... Try telling that to them... <_<

 

 

 

I used to work about 3 doors away from an abortion clinic in London where women could simply have abortions on demand in their lunch hour at work and then after having the abortion simply glibly munch on their prawn sandwich and return to work with little or no regard for the fact they have just terminated a life of a child to be, they are the sort of ones that need to be made to feel guilty and I offer no apology for that, I am pro life and simply having an abortion on demand in work lunch hour and going back to the job as if nothing ever happened is just VILE to me

 

Sorry mate, as distasteful as you may find that, you still have no right to demand that they be made to feel like sh!t over a decision they probably agonised over.. You have no right to say that every single woman made that decision lightly and they dont feel bad about it afterwards, you dont know them at all, you just make ridiculous assumptions about the women who do have abortions.. Well, I myself know three women who have had abortions at various times in their lives, NONE of them made the decision lightly, and they certainly didn't do it on their "lunch break" and then go back to work like nothing had happened.. And you claim not to have a mysoginistic streak in you and go around making these sorts of blithe, groundless assumptions about people you know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT.... <_< Frankly, sometimes I think you're an idiot... <_<

What a load of mysoginistic, fascistic, quasi-religious bollocks Craig... Abortion is NOT the same thing as killing someone in the streets, we REALLY need to get past this ridiculous, dogmatic rubbish.. A Foetus CANNOT EXIST ON ITS OWN without the mother's body to sustain it, simple as, it CANNOT BREATHE outside the mother's body, therefore it is part of the mother as opposed to being a lifeform in its own right... A foetus does not become a developed lifeform until it is BORN.... Jesus Harry Christ, and here was me thinking you were against all this religious brainwashing.... <_<

 

It´s not a matter of religion at all... Of course you are biased to think religion is the origin of all the evil in the world, however a foetus is a human being wether you are religious or not... The fact it can´t BREATHE on its own doesn´t mean it´s not human, there are people in certain circunstances which need artificial help to breathe and they don´t stop being human because of that. No human being is completely independent from others, even tough there are different levels of dependence. Obviously, this is just an EXCUSE (and not an argument) for mothers who want to put an end to a foetus life because it´s inconvenient for them.

 

You really just dont have a fukkin' clue the sorts of emotional traumas a woman has to go through before she decides to have an abortion do you...? It's bad enough without people like you coming along and making her feel like a piece of sh!t..... <_< <_<

So this is an argument? Let them kill their babies because it will cause them traumas??? I have heard of many women who repent doing an abortion, but I think it´s VERY rare to hear of a woman who repent having a son or daughter, even if it came from a undesired pregancy.

 

So when you have educated girls to believe abortion is evil - and then due to no fault of their own have to have an abortion (medical reasons etc) how are you going to stop them hating themselves for the rest of their lives?

Suffering an involuntary aborption is not the same as CAUSING an aborption. Obviously a mother who loses her son in an acident will feel bad, but not guilty for the rest of her life like a mother who MURDERS her own son.