Besides - I believe the other source for the true sales figures of Rudebox, i.e. £2m max.

 

Well that is a extremly foolish thing to do. Have you read ANY of my posts? I have spent ages explaining to you how only an ill-informed fool would seriously take Mediatraffic's sales in any way seriously. The only OFFICIAL and TRUE sales figures for worldwide sales, are from OFFICIAL sites such as IFPI, BIP, RIAA, AIRA etc etc. You can read each and every one of them if you please right HERE I am begining to think i am talking to the wall. No offence Kathy. I will prove to you that my claims (unlike yours) are actully true. Look HERE , it explains to you about the site that Zago gets his info from. It clearly states in bold writings infact that the only countries where it gets official sales info from are U"SA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, AND FRANCE". It claims they determine the rest of the sales for all 29 other countries around the world based on the weight of the countries market. This in other words means they GUESS what an album sales, an album like Rudebox, which went to #1 in 14 countries, would've clearly sold far more than your average number one. But that does'nt matter on this site, because they use the same method for all. Hardly in any way accurate, definitive or anything else other than c**p clearly. :rolleyes: Zago does not run this site, he takes his info from there, and puts it onto his site adding 7.5%, which is the countries that are not included. So regardless of what he may claim, the facts remain, it is simply not in any way accurate.

 

At the end of 2006, the IFPI released their annual list of the years top 50 best selling albums worldwide. To which you can read HERE. As you can see Rudebox, within 2 months sold just under 3m copies globally. Including 2m in it's opening week accross Europe, to become the fastest selling million seller in Europe of last year as you can read HERE. Now if you want it's sales outside Europe up to the end of 2006 then I will gladly give them to you. It went platinum (100,000) in Mexico, doubtle platinum (140,000) in Australia, sold 100,00 copies in Argentina, even in the USA, it sold somewhere between 5-10,000, as it went into the top 10 in the US Itunes ( it was never physically released), the US is the worlds largest downloading country, so to go top 10 especially in Nov/Dec (ie. Christman time) would meant a respectible amount of copies sold. That is 350,000 in just four countries outside Europe, and only up to the end of 2006. So clearly 3m were shiffted in it's first two months of released (up to 31st of Dec 06). Eight months have passed, and although it certainly has'nt been topping charts this year, but over 1,000,000 copies certainly have'nt been all sent back to the record company to equal the 2m you have been claiming, or shoudl that be £2. :lol:

 

I suggest you read this brilliant artice HERE regarding the entire Robbie/TT fiasco. It is, unlike the utter $h!t that is written day by day in the media a fair assessment of the situation, with hard facts presented. And it does'nt slag off TT btw.

Well that is a extremly foolish thing to do. Have you read ANY of my posts? I have spent ages explaining to you how only an ill-informed fool would seriously take Mediatraffic's sales in any way seriously. The only OFFICIAL and TRUE sales figures for worldwide sales, are from OFFICIAL sites such as IFPI, BIP, RIAA, AIRA etc etc. You can read each and every one of them if you please right HERE I am begining to think i am talking to the wall. No offence Kathy. I will prove to you that my claims (unlike yours) are actully true. Look HERE , it explains to you about the site that Zago gets his info from. It clearly states in bold writings infact that the only countries where it gets official sales info from are U"SA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, AND FRANCE". It claims they determine the rest of the sales for all 29 other countries around the world based on the weight of the countries market. This in other words means they GUESS what an album sales, an album like Rudebox, which went to #1 in 14 countries, would've clearly sold far more than your average number one. But that does'nt matter on this site, because they use the same method for all. Hardly in any way accurate, definitive or anything else other than c**p clearly. :rolleyes: Zago does not run this site, he takes his info from there, and puts it onto his site adding 7.5%, which is the countries that are not included. So regardless of what he may claim, the facts remain, it is simply not in any way accurate.

 

At the end of 2006, the IFPI released their annual list of the years top 50 best selling albums worldwide. To which you can read HERE. As you can see Rudebox, within 2 months sold just under 3m copies globally. Including 2m in it's opening week accross Europe, to become the fastest selling million seller in Europe of last year as you can read HERE. Now if you want it's sales outside Europe up to the end of 2006 then I will gladly give them to you. It went platinum (100,000) in Mexico, doubtle platinum (140,000) in Australia, sold 100,00 copies in Argentina, even in the USA, it sold somewhere between 5-10,000, as it went into the top 10 in the US Itunes ( it was never physically released), the US is the worlds largest downloading country, so to go top 10 especially in Nov/Dec (ie. Christman time) would meant a respectible amount of copies sold. That is 350,000 in just four countries outside Europe, and only up to the end of 2006. So clearly 3m were shiffted in it's first two months of released (up to 31st of Dec 06). Eight months have passed, and although it certainly has'nt been topping charts this year, but over 1,000,000 copies certainly have'nt been all sent back to the record company to equal the 2m you have been claiming, or shoudl that be £2. :lol:

 

I suggest you read this brilliant artice HERE regarding the entire Robbie/TT fiasco. It is, unlike the utter $h!t that is written day by day in the media a fair assessment of the situation, with hard facts presented. And it does'nt slag off TT btw.

 

So you're calling me a fool then Scotty! Right - I'll steer clear of your posts from now on. I do know that The Independent stated in January that 2006 UK sales (OK - that's UK) for Rudebox were just over 800,000 since release. As the UK has the largest sales of singles and albums in Europe - followed by Germany (but a fair bit behind) I think the UK figures are are good yardstick to measure by. OK - it may have been number 1 in a lot of European countries - but it doesn't take a lot of sales to get to number 1 in most European countries. I've been told by others that Rob fans do tend to exaggerate his sales figures and I agree. I wasn't saying you were slagging off TT by the way - Osiris was. I'm sure any Robbie Williams 'blog' spot will have nothing but glowing news of him - his blog is hardly going to say he's sh*te is it?

 

I have linked into the [HERE] thing you've pointed me to - itsl related to the PureRobbie site. For heaven's sake - its his fanclub. Again - his fansite is hardly likely to say bad things about him. Do you get all your figures from Pure Robbie?

 

Kathy

Edited August 7, 200717 yr by kathyp

So you're calling me a fool then Scotty! Right - I'll steer clear of your posts from now on. I do know that The Independent stated in January that 2006 UK sales (OK - that's UK) for Rudebox were just over 800,000 since release. As the UK has the largest sales of singles and albums in Europe - followed by Germany (but a fair bit behind) I think the UK figures are are good yardstick to measure by. OK - it may have been number 1 in a lot of European countries - but it doesn't take a lot of sales to get to number 1 in most European countries. I've been told by others that Rob fans do tend to exaggerate his sales figures and I agree. I wasn't saying you were slagging off TT by the way - Osiris was. I'm sure any Robbie Williams 'blog' spot will have nothing but glowing news of him - his blog is hardly going to say he's sh*te is it?

 

I have linked into the [HERE] thing you've pointed me to - itsl related to the PureRobbie site. For heaven's sake - its his fanclub. Again - his fansite is hardly likely to say bad things about him. Do you get all your figures from Pure Robbie?

 

Kathy

 

Well Kathy, you certainly are not going reply in a constructive manner with actual FACTS, like I have just posted. You clearly just do not understand or comprehend how the recording industry works worldwide, therefor will only believe what you want to hear. If the IFPI claimed TT's album had sold 4m, you'd be pretty quick to believe them then I'm quite sure. But go ahead believe people who have'nt got the first clue what they are talking about and those who tell you Robbie fans inflate his sales (no doubt TT fans who said that like Locott so you will obviously believe what they feed you), believe what is written in the British press of all things, if thats what you want I certainly am not going to object. But until you actually produce a solid argument with actual proof that it has sold a million less than the only official site on the world for global sales is claiming than I will do what you plan and doing, and will ignore your posts as I am getting bored of repeating myself.

 

As for Purerobbie, no, I don't get my figures from there. This comment just proves once again that you are not paying an ounce of attention to what I've said. I've given you link after bloody link to official site after official site, and all you can say is that? Now that really has dissapointed me Kathy.

So if it does not take alot to get to No. 1 with an album in Europe, what happened to Beautiful World then? and their concert tickets? It is only the UK they have success on a scale similar to Robbie, they have another 8 years to go to match him. Robbie made it solo, that speaks volumes.

 

and it gets very annoying when I visit TT forums to see Robbie getting trashed all the time. He was a member of the band once where pretty much most of you appreciated him for one song or appearance when they were one big happy band. Now they appear to bury the hatchet, I think it is time for Take That fans and Robbie Williams fans to do the same. don't you?

 

 

Edited August 7, 200717 yr by Jackie

look without take that to start with none of them may ever be heard of,take that have done very well here in ireland as has robbie whats happened is in the past they have all moved on from the fall out so why cant the fans

look without take that to start with none of them may ever be heard of,take that have done very well here in ireland as has robbie whats happened is in the past they have all moved on from the fall out so why cant the fans

 

FTF - your right, and if it wasn't for Nigel Martin Smith - Gary would be playing in Labour Clubs around the North West, Mark would probably be a senior bank official, Howard would probably have his own car spraying business, Jason would be painting and decorating and Rob would be at Butlins every summer and back to his mam's house the rest of the year! So a big pat on the back and credit where its due to NMS!

 

Kathy

 

Ok, can't keep quiet on this any longer. I am a fan of both Robbie and Take That as most of you know, and it really pisses me off when "Robbie" fans come across as being super loyal to him by slagging off Take That at every opportunity and are hoping that they will just go away, as they have obviously ruined Robbie's life by having this successful comeback, which is of course going to end any day now, unless they milk all publicity they can from their connections to their ex bandmate..... sorry, but it was Robbie who actually started all this by bringing Mark Owen on stage at Knebworth, and singing Take That songs and taking every opportunity to mention them during practically every concert he's ever done (and I've been to a lot of them).

 

 

Gary has said quite categorically that there won't be a reunion with Robbie on stage , and it seems it's only a small minority of Robbie's solo fans who are particularly bothered about it anyway. Most people who like both Robbie and Take That aren't bothered either way. They genuinely couldn't care less, we have the best of both worlds liking Robbie and also liking the new music coming from the mighty Take That. Personally I think they will all probably work together at some point in the future, but there's no way that Robbie would ever fit in as a member of Take That now. Actually he never did, that was the problem.

 

So Robbie had dinner with some old friends who happened to be ex band mates, I really don't see anything wrong with that, the 5 members of Take That have made up privately and I really think it's time to let it go and live with it - Robbie will always be associated with Take That and they will always be associated with him, end of, neither need each other for publicity or anything else. Actually Robbie probably has a lot more in common with Gary Barlow and Mark Owen than he would ever have with people like David Beckham and his wife, who would stab their granny in the back for publicity if it suited them.

 

Comparing Robbie's sales to Take Thats sales is just stupid, they've been away for 10 years for a start, and who can say whether Robbie Williams would be the star he is today if he hadn't been Robbie from Take that? It's like speculating if Paul Mccartney would have made it if he hadn't been a Beatle.

 

And who actually gives a toss whether Rudebox has been number 1 in the Faroe Islands for 6 months, or She's Madonna has sold 25 copies more than IWFL??? If you like it you like it, and if you don't you don't the same goes for Beautiful World, there's nobody competing here, and nothing at all to justify sales wise.....

 

Rant over :yahoo:

Ok, can't keep quiet on this any longer. I am a fan of both Robbie and Take That as most of you know, and it really pisses me off when "Robbie" fans come across as being super loyal to him by slagging off Take That at every opportunity and are hoping that they will just go away, as they have obviously ruined Robbie's life by having this successful comeback, which is of course going to end any day now, unless they milk all publicity they can from their connections to their ex bandmate..... sorry, but it was Robbie who actually started all this by bringing Mark Owen on stage at Knebworth, and singing Take That songs and taking every opportunity to mention them during practically every concert he's ever done (and I've been to a lot of them).

Gary has said quite categorically that there won't be a reunion with Robbie on stage , and it seems it's only a small minority of Robbie's solo fans who are particularly bothered about it anyway. Most people who like both Robbie and Take That aren't bothered either way. They genuinely couldn't care less, we have the best of both worlds liking Robbie and also liking the new music coming from the mighty Take That. Personally I think they will all probably work together at some point in the future, but there's no way that Robbie would ever fit in as a member of Take That now. Actually he never did, that was the problem.

 

So Robbie had dinner with some old friends who happened to be ex band mates, I really don't see anything wrong with that, the 5 members of Take That have made up privately and I really think it's time to let it go and live with it - Robbie will always be associated with Take That and they will always be associated with him, end of, neither need each other for publicity or anything else. Actually Robbie probably has a lot more in common with Gary Barlow and Mark Owen than he would ever have with people like David Beckham and his wife, who would stab their granny in the back for publicity if it suited them.

 

Comparing Robbie's sales to Take Thats sales is just stupid, they've been away for 10 years for a start, and who can say whether Robbie Williams would be the star he is today if he hadn't been Robbie from Take that? It's like speculating if Paul Mccartney would have made it if he hadn't been a Beatle.

 

And who actually gives a toss whether Rudebox has been number 1 in the Faroe Islands for 6 months, or She's Madonna has sold 25 copies more than IWFL??? If you like it you like it, and if you don't you don't the same goes for Beautiful World, there's nobody competing here, and nothing at all to justify sales wise.....

 

Rant over :yahoo:

 

Geraldine - that wasn't a rant (I rant!) that was a very decent to read post!

 

Kathy

 

Ok, can't keep quiet on this any longer. I am a fan of both Robbie and Take That as most of you know, and it really pisses me off when "Robbie" fans come across as being super loyal to him by slagging off Take That at every opportunity and are hoping that they will just go away, as they have obviously ruined Robbie's life by having this successful comeback, which is of course going to end any day now, unless they milk all publicity they can from their connections to their ex bandmate..... sorry, but it was Robbie who actually started all this by bringing Mark Owen on stage at Knebworth, and singing Take That songs and taking every opportunity to mention them during practically every concert he's ever done (and I've been to a lot of them).

Gary has said quite categorically that there won't be a reunion with Robbie on stage , and it seems it's only a small minority of Robbie's solo fans who are particularly bothered about it anyway. Most people who like both Robbie and Take That aren't bothered either way. They genuinely couldn't care less, we have the best of both worlds liking Robbie and also liking the new music coming from the mighty Take That. Personally I think they will all probably work together at some point in the future, but there's no way that Robbie would ever fit in as a member of Take That now. Actually he never did, that was the problem.

 

So Robbie had dinner with some old friends who happened to be ex band mates, I really don't see anything wrong with that, the 5 members of Take That have made up privately and I really think it's time to let it go and live with it - Robbie will always be associated with Take That and they will always be associated with him, end of, neither need each other for publicity or anything else. Actually Robbie probably has a lot more in common with Gary Barlow and Mark Owen than he would ever have with people like David Beckham and his wife, who would stab their granny in the back for publicity if it suited them.

 

Comparing Robbie's sales to Take Thats sales is just stupid, they've been away for 10 years for a start, and who can say whether Robbie Williams would be the star he is today if he hadn't been Robbie from Take that? It's like speculating if Paul Mccartney would have made it if he hadn't been a Beatle.

 

And who actually gives a toss whether Rudebox has been number 1 in the Faroe Islands for 6 months, or She's Madonna has sold 25 copies more than IWFL??? If you like it you like it, and if you don't you don't the same goes for Beautiful World, there's nobody competing here, and nothing at all to justify sales wise.....

 

Rant over :yahoo:

 

Sorry G, but although I broadly agree with alot of what you've said, you have done what you always do and make out that it is Robbie fans and Robbie fans alone who cause all of this which just infuriates me. I presume you have read this thread, if so you will see that it was a TT fan who started the arguing, NOT a Robbie one. That fan insulted Robbie, and said he can't have hits without Guy Chambers. An astonishingly ignorant statment, that in your long post you have not once addressed. This thread would not have turned into an argument whatsoever, because nothing slagging off either had been said before that TT, not Robbie fan. Robbie gets insulted for no god-given reason, and I replied because I will not tolerate c**p being said about him. I mean if someone is going to insult him at least get the facts straight for heavens sake. And please point to where I have slagged them off in this thread, other than point a few facts which more than needed to be pointed out.

 

As for only a minority of Robbie fans being bothered about it, pretty ridiculous statment to make. On RWAP perhaps, but most Rob fans are sick to teeth of it all. And TT fans are more than bothered I can assure you. You have the cheek to say you are pissed off with Robbie fans slagging TT off, I strongly suggest you pop yourself over to the TT site and hear some of the things said about him.

 

And as FTF said, why don't fans move on? I'd love to know that too, because this thread had the potential to perfectly fine without any arguing.

Well Scotty I didn't mention the point that Robbie couldn't have a hit without Guy Chambers as we all know that to be complete rubbish.

 

And I go on the Official TT forum and TTAP a lot and yes, there are occasional digs at Robbie (and I always jump to his defence) but in all honesty the majority of TT fans are not bothered whether he ever rejoins them or not.

 

I really think though it's time for both sides to move on in this, as I said I'm in the lucky situation of liking both, and at the moment while Robbie is obsessed with football, I'm really grateful to have some great music coming from Take That, whether they write it all themselves or not. At least they're not doing stand up at the key change covers :D

 

BTW, Kathy Gary's two albums had sold out in my branch of Woolworths today, and I bought the last copy of Mark's Green man album (which is fantastic :yahoo: )

BTW, Kathy Gary's two albums had sold out in my branch of Woolworths today, and I bought the last copy of Mark's Green man album (which is fantastic :yahoo: )

 

I've got to be honest Geraldine, apart from the single Open Road, I'd never heard any of Gary's solo stuff but I bought 12 Months 11 Days on Sunday (from Woolies in Ormskirk and it was the last copy they had - a bit annoying as when Gary was going through the 'press mauling' stage - Woolworths refused to stock any of his stuff - I was going to mention it to the salesgirl but she would have been too young to remember).Anyway - I just can't stop listening to Lie To Me - what a fabulous song. I don't understand why Gary hates this album himself (probably brings back too many painful memories) its great.

 

Did you enjoy the Diana concert? You actually went there didn't you?

 

I've just notice - you said Gary's two albums - did they have Open Road too? They only had 12m11d's in mine.

 

I do have to mention the Robbie/TT fan rivalry thing as someone keeps bringing up (not you) - I think some people should look at the insults and ridicule bandied at Gary and Howard in particular on the PureRobbie site (I was a member for a while and was quite disgusted so haven't even looked there for about 3 months now - every time I get an email from that site now I just delete it straight away).

 

Kathy

Edited August 8, 200717 yr by kathyp

I do have to mention the Robbie/TT fan rivalry thing as someone keeps bringing up (not you) - I think some people should look at the insults and ridicule bandied at Gary and Howard in particular on the PureRobbie site (I was a member for a while and was quite disgusted so haven't even looked there for about 3 months now - every time I get an email from that site now I just delete it straight away).

 

I thought you did'nt like Robbie at all, strange you would be a member on one of his fansites Kathy. :P I do have to stick up for PR though, as out of all the Robbie sites I post on at present, it is by far the most pro-TT, there is even a TT forum. You can't say a negetive thing about TT without loads of others jumping into defend them. I did go onto the TT official site (not a member), to see the recent reaction to the dinner meeting of the lads, and one of the posts I recall saying that Rob should go and bum Jonathan Wilks. Now, I don't know about you but I've never heard anything remotly that bad said about the lads on Robbie forums.

 

Anyone this thread is getting pointless at this stage, what needed to be said has been said and look on the bright side. It has got loads of views and posts which should help this forum in the Leugue Charts come Monday. :P

At least they're not doing stand up at the key change covers :D

 

Oh I agree with that point and I would never in a million years say they were worse than Westlife (who I'm sure you know I detest) :lol: I've always said they are the best boyband ever, regardless if I found BW to MOR for my taste, It's still alot better than most things boybands churn out, and I do like some of their older tracks alot.

I believe they had both of Gary's albums in my branch of Woolies Kathy, there were 2 spaces, but none left when I got there at lunchtime. I already have Open Road, and I think it's a brilliant album... I was never as keen on the other one, my copy seems to have gone astray somewhere over the years which was why I made the trip to Woolworths today - I hope they get some more in. I would throughly recommend Mark's Green man album if anyone hasn't heard it BTW - it's brilliant. I liked How the mighty fall as well

 

 

 

I throughly enjoyed the Diana concert, and at the risk of bringing up the dreaded subject again, I was very relieved that Robbie wasn't there - I had a text that morning to say he hadn't showed at the football the night before, and I actually felt sick with dread in case he had got on a plane to London instead... I really think the time for him to get on stage with the others has passed - maybe a one off TV appearance or a set at something like The Brits perhaps, but not a gig - it would definitely not work imo. The dvd of the Diana concert is due out sometime BTW, probably for Christmas. It was a pity that Never Forget was cut due to the time constraints, as I think that probably would have brought the house down at Wembley

 

 

I'm seing Take That again at the O2 on 30 November and 1 December and I seriously can't wait :cheer:

I really think the time for him to get on stage with the others has passed - maybe a one off TV appearance or a set at something like The Brits perhaps, but not a gig - it would definitely not work imo.

 

That that I agree fully with. :P

PS I think RWAP is probably the most TT friendly Robbie site actually :cheer:

 

I can't comment on PR as they've banned me from there, no idea why, not bothered though :lol:

That that I agree fully with. :P

 

 

It must be time for me to go to bed, Scotty is agreeing with me :lol:

 

I throughly enjoyed the Diana concert, and at the risk of bringing up the dreaded subject again, I was very relieved that Robbie wasn't there - I had a text that morning to say he hadn't showed at the football the night before, and I actually felt sick with dread in case he had got on a plane to London instead... I really think the time for him to get on stage with the others has passed - maybe a one off TV appearance or a set at something like The Brits perhaps, but not a gig - it would definitely not work imo. The dvd of the Diana concert is due out sometime BTW, probably for Christmas. It was a pity that Never Forget was cut due to the time constraints, as I think that probably would have brought the house down at Wembley

I'm seing Take That again at the O2 on 30 November and 1 December and I seriously can't wait :cheer:

 

I'm so glad you enjoyed the concert. I had a bit of a disaster taping it (and because I was taping it - I didn't pay much attention while it was on - little boy nattering at me!) Luckily a member on a Gary site sent me a DVD of the whole concert which I was real chuffed at.

 

I'm going to see them in Belfast and twice in Manchester - cannot wait! I'm especially excited about the Belfast one - I've never been there before ... and me and my sis are staying at the Hilton (only 'cos its the nearest hotel!)

 

On the Rob/Gary thing - I am dead chuffed they seem to be pals - surely they are both too old to carry on petty arguments!

 

Kathy

 

There diana performance was brill and im glad u finally got to see it properly

Osiris - if you're going to slag Take That off - can you do it on the Robbie forum please!

 

Gary said himself definitely NO REUNION although he and Rob appear to be on friendly terms again. Besides - I believe the other source for the true sales figures of Rudebox, i.e. £2m max.

 

On the comeback - by the time the tour ends - it will have lasted almost two years - not too bad as they all want to get back to doing other things anyway. They have lives you know!

 

Kathy

 

Oh Kathy Im only stating fact not slagging off Take That :rolleyes: , they haven't done really well outside Europe (mainly the UK). Here in Australia they tanked pure and simple. http://www.aria.com.au/pages/ARIACHarts-En...0Albums2006.htm

 

As for the reunion I was having a go at the press not Gary -_- .

 

Perhaps you should read Scotty's post in depth instead of skimming over them.

 

Im not here to start an arguement, im just stating my opinion.