I don't recall those pictures being large or detailed enough to make any kind of comment about her pupils; if you wish to post them and prove me wrong I'll be happy for you to do so.

 

there's a search engine called Google, Jark - you may have heard of it.

 

I suggest you try it.

 

ps... the photos were full-page headline news at the time. And multiple page-spread in all the tabloids. Plenty large enough for even you to determine her pupil size.

it's more than a little ironic (and moronic) to make a statement like this when you have a Robbie Williams sig, don't you think? Is he just another drug addict akin with those dying in the gutter?

I'm no Robbie fan but it's clear that the difference is he admits he has a problem or has had in the past, and he checks himself into rehab when necessary. He's not walking the streets of London screaming profanities at 4am with blood dripping from his toes.

there's a search engine called Google, Jark - you may have heard of it.

 

I suggest you try it.

 

ps... the photos were full-page headline news at the time. And multiple page-spread in all the tabloids. Plenty large enough for even you to determine her pupil size.

Full page of pics here:

 

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&am...sa=N&tab=wi

 

In none of which her pupils look abnormal to any degree.

Full page of pics here:

 

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&am...sa=N&tab=wi

 

In none of which her pupils look abnormal to any degree.

 

 

:w00t: whaaaat?!?! :o :D Oh please....

 

Jark - just to let you know - huge pupils, as she displays quite clearly in these photographs, are a sign of drug abuse. You don't always need tell-tale dustings of white powder around your nostrils to display abuse of Class-A drugs.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/russy68/britneydrugs.jpg

 

He pupils looking normal? Hardly :rolleyes:

:w00t: whaaaat?!?! :o :D Oh please....

 

Jark - just to let you know - huge pupils, as she displays quite clearly in these photographs, are a sign of drug abuse. You don't always need tell-tale dustings of white powder around your nostrils to display abuse of Class-A drugs.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v679/russy68/britneydrugs.jpg

 

He pupils looking normal? Hardly :rolleyes:

 

Spot on mate...

 

Sorry Jark, but you are being rather delusional if you honestly believe that Britney doesn't have a drugs problem... I was a huge fan of Nirvana, but I was never so foolish as to believe that Kurt Cobain never had serious problems, as for his suicide (and no, I was never delusional enough to believe that Courtney had him assassinated...), I felt that was an incredibly selfish act from a man who had a small child.... INCREDIBLY selfish, I dont care what problems you have, you bring a kid into the world, you sort your sh!t out pronto.... Same goes for Britney.... I have very little sympathy for her I'm afraid...

 

Spot on mate...

 

Sorry Jark, but you are being rather delusional if you honestly believe that Britney doesn't have a drugs problem... I was a huge fan of Nirvana, but I was never so foolish as to believe that Kurt Cobain never had serious problems, as for his suicide (and no, I was never delusional enough to believe that Courtney had him assassinated...), I felt that was an incredibly selfish act from a man who had a small child.... INCREDIBLY selfish, I dont care what problems you have, you bring a kid into the world, you sort your sh!t out pronto.... Same goes for Britney.... I have very little sympathy for her I'm afraid...

I'm perhaps prepared to say yeah, she does have a problem with prescription drugs... But I have lots of sympathy for her. She divorces her gold-digger husband, he tries to make her life hell, makes out she's a bad mother, she's got more press chasing her now than she ever had even in her musical prime. It can't be easy.

I'm perhaps prepared to say yeah, she does have a problem with prescription drugs... But I have lots of sympathy for her. She divorces her gold-digger husband, he tries to make her life hell, makes out she's a bad mother, she's got more press chasing her now than she ever had even in her musical prime. It can't be easy.

 

I'm afraid all my sympathy is with her child tbh mate... You say it aint easy for Britney, well, how easy is it for her kid then, mate...?

 

I have no problems with artists doing drugs in order to "expand their minds" in order to create music, but when it goes as far as it's obviously going in Kurt's and Britney's cases and little kids are being potentially psychologically scarred as a result, then, I'm afraid that's when I get off the bus if you know what I mean....

 

In reply to the general debate though - sure, there's been an inexorable link between Rock/Pop Stars and drugs (notorious cases such as Janis Joplin, Syd Barratt, Jimi, Jim Morrison, Brian Jones), and it's fine when it's only affecting the individuals concerned and they merely self-destruct, my problem occurs when innocent people get dragged in, especially kids or the artist's underage fans, or indeed "celebs" going around drunk/drug driving, getting involved in car-chases, etc....

 

Basically, as far as I'm concerned the likes of Jimi, Brian, Jim, etc, are only guilty of damaging themselves, the likes of Paris, LiLo, George Michael and Pete Doherty are, however, through their actions, a very real danger to society and should be locked up and forced to go "Cold Turkey" in a Prison Hospital....

I have no problems with artists doing drugs in order to "expand their minds" in order to create music, but when it goes as far as it's obviously going in Kurt's and Britney's cases and little kids are being potentially psychologically scarred as a result, then, I'm afraid that's when I get off the bus if you know what I mean....

I think though to compare Brit with the way Kurt was is ridiculous. Even if Brit was on prescription drugs at the time of Brollygate, there's certainly been no evidence of crazy behaviour lately, other than a total lie about some photoshoot shenanigans lol. As for the rest of what you said about celebs and drugs, I completely agree! However, I feel this thread would be better simply titled 'Drugs' and asking why anyone in society gets hooked or whatever as I wouldn't imagine any higher proportion of celebs do it than members of the public.

are drugs such a bad thing?.... havnt many great peices of music been written by junkies? ok it hasnt worked on many including doherty, lol, but im not just thinking rock music here. consider the great classical composers and writers of the 18/9 th centuaries... :)

are drugs such a bad thing?.... havnt many great peices of music been written by junkies? ok it hasnt worked on many including doherty, lol, but im not just thinking rock music here. consider the great classical composers and writers of the 18/9 th centuaries... :)

 

Times have changed though Rob we are in the media age where the private lives of celebs are under 24/7 scrutiny and their fans ape their heroes like never before

 

Hendrix Joplin, Syd Barrett and so on while musical geniuses and habitual drug users did not live in the era where the media and fans watch their lives 24/7 and emulate them in many cases

 

While drug taking I am sure increases creativity I think that fans are inclined to copy their idols and the massive increase in drug taking among the young in the last 10 years can't be just a coincidence with the "cult of celebrity" that has sprung up in that time

Do you seriously think people take drugs more now than back then because they've seen celebrities do it? If anything the increase will be due to either better availability, cleverer ways of pushing them in the first place (at schools etc).

Do you seriously think people take drugs more now than back then because they've seen celebrities do it? If anything the increase will be due to either better availability, cleverer ways of pushing them in the first place (at schools etc).

 

Oh drugs were p*** easy to get in my day, as easy as buying a Mars bar I don't think they are any easier to get hold of now compared with then, both the state school I went to and the boarding school drugs of any kind would be readily available if you asked the right people

 

I think there is a definite connection, not in every case but certainly in a sizeable minority of cases of people taking up drugs because they think it must be "cool" because their idols take them

Do you seriously think people take drugs more now than back then because they've seen celebrities do it? If anything the increase will be due to either better availability, cleverer ways of pushing them in the first place (at schools etc).

 

I agree in part....

 

However, the exception to the rule is the supermodels. Teenage girls and young women these days are constantly reminded what shape they should be (and it's apparent that 90% of catwalk models get the size they are through a cocktail of cocaine, amphetamine, heroin and slimming pills) so the message this sends to young girls and women struggling with their weight is a dangerous one - "Look - you CAN be a size 8.... just take speed or coke, you won't have any hunger pangs and you'll fit into the latest Gucci/Westwood/Armani....". Fashion houses these days simply don't make couture for girls over a size 10 - despite the average size in Britain for women being a healthy size 14. If drugs will get them into the latest collections - you'd be amazed how many girls will opt for this route to lose weight.

 

Also - whether we like it or not - cocaine is cool. It's the champagne of drugs - you go to 99% of clubs in the land and there'll be cocaine there somewhere. Ususally the 'flash' lads. It's a fashion statement - cocaine signifies wealth to a lot of people. At average £50 a gram, it's the drug of choice for many who want to impress. The poor ones have amphetamine.

 

Pop stars setting a bad example, hmm... whilst I truly believe rap/hip hop does encourage sexism, homophobia and gun and knife violence with the fans emulating the dullards who make this music (and is the one and only case where we're long overdue on the censorship issue)..... I don't think Amy fans seeing her with bleeding toes or slurring her hits will make them want to go out and take a cocktail of JD and coke(aine)..... or seeing Pete Doherty with orangey black teeth and fingers and desperately trying to play his guitar AND remember the words to his songs will encourage fans to go on a crack binge.

 

Drugs have always been in music - usually cocaine, which is easy to hide, has a short-term high and incurs very little 'morning-after' feelings... but now, with tabloids' scummy paparazzi tailing stars like never before and tatty rags like Heat and Hello desperate for a story - ANY story - and high prices offered to indiscreet friends and acquaintances..... we're getting to know about it a lot more.

i think drugs are much easier to get hold of now craig then in our youth, especially for the young.

I agree in part....

 

However, the exception to the rule is the supermodels. Teenage girls and young women these days are constantly reminded what shape they should be (and it's apparent that 90% of catwalk models get the size they are through a cocktail of cocaine, amphetamine, heroin and slimming pills) so the message this sends to young girls and women struggling with their weight is a dangerous one - "Look - you CAN be a size 8.... just take speed or coke, you won't have any hunger pangs and you'll fit into the latest Gucci/Westwood/Armani....". Fashion houses these days simply don't make couture for girls over a size 10 - despite the average size in Britain for women being a healthy size 14. If drugs will get them into the latest collections - you'd be amazed how many girls will opt for this route to lose weight.

 

Also - whether we like it or not - cocaine is cool. It's the champagne of drugs - you go to 99% of clubs in the land and there'll be cocaine there somewhere. Ususally the 'flash' lads. It's a fashion statement - cocaine signifies wealth to a lot of people. At average £50 a gram, it's the drug of choice for many who want to impress. The poor ones have amphetamine.

 

Pop stars setting a bad example, hmm... whilst I truly believe rap/hip hop does encourage sexism, homophobia and gun and knife violence with the fans emulating the dullards who make this music (and is the one and only case where we're long overdue on the censorship issue)..... I don't think Amy fans seeing her with bleeding toes or slurring her hits will make them want to go out and take a cocktail of JD and coke(aine)..... or seeing Pete Doherty with orangey black teeth and fingers and desperately trying to play his guitar AND remember the words to his songs will encourage fans to go on a crack binge.

 

Drugs have always been in music - usually cocaine, which is easy to hide, has a short-term high and incurs very little 'morning-after' feelings... but now, with tabloids' scummy paparazzi tailing stars like never before and tatty rags like Heat and Hello desperate for a story - ANY story - and high prices offered to indiscreet friends and acquaintances..... we're getting to know about it a lot more.

I agree with all of that! What do you all think about cocaine - it's obviously illegal, but is it that terrible a drug to be using? Like you said it's found mostly in clubs; think of the celebs caught doing it (Richard Bacon, Kate Moss being some examples) - they weren't addicts to our knowledge, just partiers, and it sure is less awful than heroin.

 

I'm not saying I agree; just 'discuss' :P

Cocaine is a strange one.

 

I've taken it many times, not for ages now, though.

 

I don't really believe the 'addicted to cocaine' stuff - ok, it IS a nice feeling, everything seems fabulous - conversation is splendid, it boosts your confidence socially 100% however confident you are (hence the 'coke assholes', the big cocaine "I am's"), music sounds better, sex can be great, there's no real 'comedown'... but it's not addictive in the way something as hideous as heroin is. There are no withdrawal symptoms, no real cravings. I've known people who take coke from Thursday to Monday every week - but on the Tuesday, they're not climbing the walls looking for another line, they're absolutely fine, working a normal week.

 

It's socially acceptable, In fact, coke is a GEAT social tool.

 

However, the downside is the fact that it can cause rotting of the nose and damage to the heart. And the price - it's not something most people are able to buy regularly even if they want to.

 

And it also can draw the 'wrong' type of friends. If someone has a wrap of cocaine in their pocket, people congregate round them - it's like winning the Lottery, you'll never see so many people desperate to know you. When the coke is all gone, however, then so are the 'friends' usually.

 

I'm not advocating use of cocaine, but there's no denying, out of all the Class-A drugs, it is undeniably a very pleasant experience.

Cocaine is a strange one.

 

I've taken it many times, not for ages now, though.

 

I don't really believe the 'addicted to cocaine' stuff - ok, it IS a nice feeling, everything seems fabulous - conversation is splendid, it boosts your confidence socially 100% however confident you are (hence the 'coke assholes', the big cocaine "I am's"), music sounds better, sex can be great, there's no real 'comedown'... but it's not addictive in the way something as hideous as heroin is. There are no withdrawal symptoms, no real cravings. I've known people who take coke from Thursday to Monday every week - but on the Tuesday, they're not climbing the walls looking for another line, they're absolutely fine, working a normal week.

 

It's socially acceptable, In fact, coke is a GEAT social tool.

 

However, the downside is the fact that it can cause rotting of the nose and damage to the heart. And the price - it's not something most people are able to buy regularly even if they want to.

 

And it also can draw the 'wrong' type of friends. If someone has a wrap of cocaine in their pocket, people congregate round them - it's like winning the Lottery, you'll never see so many people desperate to know you. When the coke is all gone, however, then so are the 'friends' usually.

 

I'm not advocating use of cocaine, but there's no denying, out of all the Class-A drugs, it is undeniably a very pleasant experience.

I shall be nominating you for post of the week ^_^ Have you ever done heroin? (Please dont take offence lol)

Cocaine is a strange one.

 

I've taken it many times, not for ages now, though.

 

I don't really believe the 'addicted to cocaine' stuff - ok, it IS a nice feeling, everything seems fabulous - conversation is splendid, it boosts your confidence socially 100% however confident you are (hence the 'coke assholes', the big cocaine "I am's"), music sounds better, sex can be great, there's no real 'comedown'... but it's not addictive in the way something as hideous as heroin is. There are no withdrawal symptoms, no real cravings. I've known people who take coke from Thursday to Monday every week - but on the Tuesday, they're not climbing the walls looking for another line, they're absolutely fine, working a normal week.

 

It's socially acceptable, In fact, coke is a GEAT social tool.

 

However, the downside is the fact that it can cause rotting of the nose and damage to the heart. And the price - it's not something most people are able to buy regularly even if they want to.

 

And it also can draw the 'wrong' type of friends. If someone has a wrap of cocaine in their pocket, people congregate round them - it's like winning the Lottery, you'll never see so many people desperate to know you. When the coke is all gone, however, then so are the 'friends' usually.

 

I'm not advocating use of cocaine, but there's no denying, out of all the Class-A drugs, it is undeniably a very pleasant experience.

 

2 words

 

1st word Daniella

 

2nd word Westbrook

 

http://www.s-o-l-i-d.com/images%205/westbrook.jpg

 

Cocaine is not so great Russ

 

http://www.s-o-l-i-d.com/images%205/westbrook.jpg

Cocaine is not so great Russ

She did over-do it HUGELY though -_- She definitely wasn't just any old social snorter.

I have tried Cocaine too before Jark although admittedly not in the last 20 years and can testify to much of what Russ said but I felt from the post that Russ was glamourising the drug and endorsing it so I felt it appropriate to show the other side of the coin