would it be a good thing?... probably but shouldnt we volunteer dna samples? as i understand it the police can TAKE dna to add to the database without our consent. does that matter? dunno, innocent people would have nothing to fear, would they?..

Can we trust a Govt to use or maintain this information correctly though..? Given the sheer incompetence of various Govt departments, including the Home Office and the Health Dept, and the control freak nature of this Govt, the answer to both questions would be an emphatic 'no'. This govt has shown it cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the people of this country (the lies over Iraq anyone??), there have been serious problems within the Home Office with regards to immigration and the criminal justice system, and the fiasco regarding the NHS IT system is another example of how this govt just cannot run things effectively. And now we're expected to believe that these morons could actually effectively manage a DNA database that would basically have the DNA records of every man, woman and child in the country... No way...

 

It's not a matter of whether "innocent people should have nothing to fear", it's a matter of principle, I have not committed any criminal acts, the authorities have no right to take my DNA or my fingerprints without my consent, simple as.... I as a law abiding, tax-paying free citizen of this supposedly "free" country should not have to tolerate this, I dont care what the supposed reasons are....

 

 

Can we trust a Govt to use or maintain this information correctly though..? Given the sheer incompetence of various Govt departments, including the Home Office and the Health Dept, and the control freak nature of this Govt, the answer to both questions would be an emphatic 'no'. This govt has shown it cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the people of this country (the lies over Iraq anyone??), there have been serious problems within the Home Office with regards to immigration and the criminal justice system, and the fiasco regarding the NHS IT system is another example of how this govt just cannot run things effectively. And now we're expected to believe that these morons could actually effectively manage a DNA database that would basically have the DNA records of every man, woman and child in the country... No way...

 

It's not a matter of whether "innocent people should have nothing to fear", it's a matter of principle, I have not committed any criminal acts, the authorities have no right to take my DNA or my fingerprints without my consent, simple as.... I as a law abiding, tax-paying free citizen of this supposedly "free" country should not have to tolerate this, I dont care what the supposed reasons are....

 

Agree with every word of this

 

I have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide so the government have no business whatsoever in needing my DNA

 

 

Can we trust a Govt to use or maintain this information correctly though..? Given the sheer incompetence of various Govt departments, including the Home Office and the Health Dept, and the control freak nature of this Govt, the answer to both questions would be an emphatic 'no'. This govt has shown it cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the people of this country (the lies over Iraq anyone??), there have been serious problems within the Home Office with regards to immigration and the criminal justice system, and the fiasco regarding the NHS IT system is another example of how this govt just cannot run things effectively. And now we're expected to believe that these morons could actually effectively manage a DNA database that would basically have the DNA records of every man, woman and child in the country... No way...

 

It's not a matter of whether "innocent people should have nothing to fear", it's a matter of principle, I have not committed any criminal acts, the authorities have no right to take my DNA or my fingerprints without my consent, simple as.... I as a law abiding, tax-paying free citizen of this supposedly "free" country should not have to tolerate this, I dont care what the supposed reasons are....

 

Agree. Might as well have bar codes tattooed on our foreheads if this sort of thing becomes acceptable.

Now that would be a fashion statement!! :lol:

I agree - if I were to break the law I could understand that they would take my DNA, but I don't see why they should have it when I've done nothing wrong!

And to be honest, how are they going to do it logistically? Organising that sort of mass thing would be a nightmare! You can guarantee that those with criminal records may avoid it more than us!

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Organising that sort of mass thing would be a nightmare!

 

Exactly, and this Govt has shown that it is utterly incapable of doing so effectively. The Home Office cant even keep track of a couple of thousand immigrant ex-cons ffs.... Nor can it seemingly manage to maintain criminal records effectively, there have been over 1300 cases of people suddenly finding themselves with a criminal record when they haven't even seen the inside of a Police cell, let alone spend time in prison and they have been denied jobs because of these absolute c**k ups...

 

Given these examples of incompetence and misconduct, and there are plenty more that the Home Office is guilty of believe me, what chance is there that they wont make grievous errors when trying to maintain the DNA records of the 50 million+ population of this country...? Oh, unless of course, they're gonna contract it out to some Private company... Yeah, like that'll work... Group 4 anyone????

Well with our government privatisation is the way they would probably do it, but neither privatisation nor the government trying to do it would work! Like you say they can't keep track of who is meant to be in the country and who isn't let alone if we have all had DNA checks!

People don't understand that DNA is in no way unique. It looks like we are heading towards a police state with these ideas.

It's going to lead to false arrests and false convictions as the police will be able to setup and frame people with this easily.

People don't understand that DNA is in no way unique.

 

eh?.... dna IS unique to each and every person m8...

Can we trust a Govt to use or maintain this information correctly though..? Given the sheer incompetence of various Govt departments, including the Home Office and the Health Dept, and the control freak nature of this Govt, the answer to both questions would be an emphatic 'no'. This govt has shown it cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the people of this country (the lies over Iraq anyone??), there have been serious problems within the Home Office with regards to immigration and the criminal justice system, and the fiasco regarding the NHS IT system is another example of how this govt just cannot run things effectively. And now we're expected to believe that these morons could actually effectively manage a DNA database that would basically have the DNA records of every man, woman and child in the country... No way...

 

It's not a matter of whether "innocent people should have nothing to fear", it's a matter of principle, I have not committed any criminal acts, the authorities have no right to take my DNA or my fingerprints without my consent, simple as.... I as a law abiding, tax-paying free citizen of this supposedly "free" country should not have to tolerate this, I dont care what the supposed reasons are....

 

i think the problem is though that we dont live in a country where everybody IS a law abiding citizen, so the innocent must suffer for the greater good?...

 

example.... a young woman is raped, with a dna sample the perpetrator would be identified in hours, which must surely be better then no dna giving the perpetrator much longer to commit more acts.

eh?.... dna IS unique to each and every person m8...

Kinda proves my point that people don't understand :lol:

 

He is one example http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,...,640157,00.html

 

There is also know duplicates, a court case in the US which sadly I can't find now on Google throw out DNA evidence once it was shown there was several people with matching DNA.

 

 

The problem seems one of communication. As I understand it DNA is unique(with the exceptional of identical twins!) but the part that is used for analysis is not. It's a bit like saying everyone login name is unique but then only comparing the first character to determine if it's a match.

Kinda proves my point that people don't understand :lol:

 

He is one example http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,...,640157,00.html

 

There is also know duplicates, a court case in the US which sadly I can't find now on Google throw out DNA evidence once it was shown there was several people with matching DNA.

The problem seems one of communication. As I understand it DNA is unique(with the exceptional of identical twins!) but the part that is used for analysis is not. It's a bit like saying everyone login name is unique but then only comparing the first character to determine if it's a match.

 

i see :)

Ain't the Police got anything better to do than knocking on people's doors to collect DNA from every Tom Dick and Harry, a crime could be committed just round the corner. For fffing sake what if they mix your DNA with a known criminal by accident, and than you get fitted up for a crime you did not commit. God the british government should do something to tackle teenage crime, there seems to be a lot of that lately in the news.

I'm sure the criminal fraternity will no doubt find ways of faking DNA samples, like planting someone elses so they get lifted instead. Its not inconceivable this could happen, who would have believed 20 years ago you could clone someones bank card or stole someones identity

f*** that! NO DEAL.

i believe the police are already taking samples if you are stopped or arrested. that includes driving offences.

I've been stopped by the Police (once because I was driving alone at 3.30 am on Boxing Day morning and they followed me (I wasn't speeding or driving dangerously) But they breathalised me - obviously had nothing better to do! And when I had a car accident I was breathalised again. But noone took any DNA either time. But then I wasn't speeding/drunk/breaking the law either time so I guess they had no reason to.

eh?.... dna IS unique to each and every person m8...

 

Don't family members share similar DNA strands though Rob...? It aint all that unique, certainly not as unique or as failsafe as fingerprinting. What if you have two brothers, one is a serial rapist, the other a decent family man, dont tell me that the authorities couldn't make a grievous mistake and arrest the wrong brother...

 

I've been hearing a lot about how DNA testing isn't really "all that" tbh, the article Ricky put up is actually not unique, there have been several other articles, some by scientists themselves, saying that a lot more than DNA is needed to prove someone's guilt, TV shows like CSI give the wrong impression that DNA tests are the be all and end all..

 

 

 

example.... a young woman is raped, with a dna sample the perpetrator would be identified in hours, which must surely be better then no dna giving the perpetrator much longer to commit more acts.

 

Considering that only one in twenty arrests for rape result in an actual conviction, an this is with supposed evidence, then, sorry, but I aint convinced... Regardless of whether there is a DNA database or not, in the vast majority of rape cases it will still come down to one side's story against the other...

well im not sure about the inaccuracy of these dna tests... on jk there was a dna test to determine the father of this sluts kid (trust me, she was a $l*t).... both candidates were.... father and son! yes! she had them both!..... now the dna between father and son must be very close so the test must be accurate. (btw.... neither was the father...it was someone who she had a quickie with....lol... .)